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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 2223769 times)

sm0ky2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4395 on: April 05, 2023, 03:31:47 AM »
Why is this manual pump jack still a thing?
Go back to the teeter totter, put the fat kid across from you again
But this time hang a pendulum under your seat:
Does this change your situation?
NO!


http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/blocks.html



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sm0ky2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4396 on: April 06, 2023, 01:37:22 PM »



Pump jack
Commercial use from 1786-present

https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Pump_jack
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Cloxxki

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4397 on: April 06, 2023, 07:23:11 PM »
Yeah, but but but...if I misunderstand how forces relate to work done and power...just hanging a pendulum from that thing makes it a free energy device that will save the planettttt!

Years and years of building and no-one manages to extract the tiniest bit of energy without reducing the first stage amplitude.

Let's all come to a compromise. Half of the great minds now pursuing the two-stage oscillator will move on to other ventures nothing to do with it, and half will never stop working on it, unless they want to stop.
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sm0ky2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4398 on: April 06, 2023, 08:07:30 PM »
In most parts of this field i admire persistence,
And throughout history, scientists have been proven wrong
Or their theories inaccurate or incomplete.
Two however, have survived the test of time.


Hermes and Archimedes


i, myself, wouldnt challenge a word either of them said.
In fact, if any part of science defies a single one of either of their principles,
It is probably incorrect.
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sm0ky2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4399 on: April 07, 2023, 05:41:14 PM »
Quote from: kratkaforma on April 07, 2023, 10:48:37 AM
https://www.aparat.com/v/eWZa3?fbclid=IwAR2q2UOz3YgxG48GXYbWI46_l5Y-8gVn01ldxFnEQkonB48dZge8_XX02Ag


it does the same thing, irrespective of proportional leverage, or weight imbalances.
We can multiply or divide by the leverage proportion, but the mechanical gain comes at a proportional cost.


Fix only a pendulum,
Constrain its swing to a single plane along the horizontal as would a clock
And place a stiff spring between the shaft and pendulum.
get another pendulum as the same as you can, with no spring
but the length adjusted to match the other for timing.
(here we ignore the elongation of spring for discussion)


Now start them from 90-degrees to the vertical.


This demonstrates the work function of the spring, almost precisely
as observed by the decrease in momentum of the pendulum.


The “waterpump” will work exactly the same connected to the shaft OR the end of a Lever.
this makes no difference. The mechanical leverage only increases the work function.


As you see in every model or experiment, this slows the pendulum.
E=mgh

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sm0ky2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4400 on: April 07, 2023, 05:44:33 PM »
want it to keep swinging?
How about rotate it a full circle? (Ohh! Look we get an ‘up’ stroke!)
Now we can attach a flywheel to conserve some energy losses, and ….


This is a pump jack
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sm0ky2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4401 on: April 07, 2023, 05:48:13 PM »
Now ONLY swing the pendulum on the TOP side of the circle


does your device weight LESS at top dead center for a moment?
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sm0ky2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4402 on: April 20, 2023, 02:19:52 PM »
Quote from: kratkaforma on April 20, 2023, 11:11:38 AM
Please get back on topic!!!!

https://china.org.ru/product/ru/62205744356?ysclid=lg511dqnjy789902045


The topic is the physics of pendulums and levers.
A science that has been extensively studied for over 7500 years.


Archimedes principles of leverage have been more than sufficiently accurate for all of our known modern era.


To be more specific: the topic is a manual version of the Pump Jack
This is the primary pump used worldwide for the harvesting of water and petroleum.
This consists of a pendulum (or equivalent weighted flywheel), and a lever.
Rotational momentum is converted into linear motion to drive the pump.


There is less energy output than was put into the system,
essentially making this topic one of a theological nature.
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Cloxxki

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4403 on: April 20, 2023, 07:20:01 PM »
A floppy lever that makes a weak input, if frequent enough, do little bit of heavy lifting.
It's a religion more than a science. No-one ever saw it produce net energy, no matter how complex it was built.
Just a nice pump, and kind of fun. Invented by somehow who doesn't trusted his own math, or couldn't do measurements.
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Willy

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4404 on: April 21, 2023, 06:09:49 PM »
Levers and flywheels certainly are useful.
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sm0ky2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4405 on: April 25, 2023, 11:32:44 AM »
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Cloxxki

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4406 on: May 07, 2023, 01:39:28 PM »
Are you OK?
Seems Chinese vendors have found a way to get their products be viewed. Add the label Molkovic.

What ARE you trying to do with all those product listings?
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kolbacict

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4407 on: May 07, 2023, 03:42:18 PM »
Kratkaforma thinks that this is a forum where managers hang out for mining equipment and mining . ;D
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kratkaforma

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4408 on: May 08, 2023, 10:54:04 PM »
New video by Veljko Milković

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgiEdOJaBg
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Cloxxki

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #4409 on: May 10, 2023, 12:01:06 AM »
Someone appears to be intentionally wasting our time. I'm totally done with this.
How do I never get this thread on my screen again please?
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