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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1546369 times)

Offline Merg

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3465 on: October 21, 2015, 04:15:55 PM »
Unbalanced Chan Wheel showing the Milkovic 2SO effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FolD_R32Eqw

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3466 on: October 21, 2015, 04:30:41 PM »
Unbalanced Chan Wheel showing the Milkovic 2SO effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FolD_R32Eqw
This seems to be a mechanical tank circuit and needs to be tuned for resonance.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3467 on: October 21, 2015, 04:54:08 PM »
Unbalanced Chan Wheel showing the Milkovic 2SO effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FolD_R32Eqw

very good !
there is no output energy
and the wheel stops after a few seconds ...
so where is the "12 times more output than input" ?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3467 on: October 21, 2015, 04:54:08 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3468 on: October 23, 2015, 01:07:04 AM »
http://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg442470/#msg442470
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For the bright student, the teacher only needs to say once.  For the lowest grade students, I shall say one more (last) time.

1.  Mass m1 is lifted only when the Centrifugal Force Fc + m2*g is higher than m1*g.

2.  During the lifting, the amplitude of swing does not decrease.

3.  The energy required does not come from the pendulum.  The. only other source is gravity.

4.  When m1 is raised to a high h, the potential energy gained is m1*g*h.  This lead-out energy is available to do work.

5.  The pendulum bob swings higher.  The velocity gets lower  The Centrifugal Force decreases.  The Force m1*g is again greater than m2*g + Fc.  The mass m1 falls back to ground.  The original position or state is repeated.

6.  The energy to return the pendulum system to the original position is m2*g*h.  This energy comes from the lead-out energy mentioned in 4.

7.  The difference (m1-m2)*g*h is used to produce the loud bang noise in the original Milkovic.  In the later Milkovic, that energy is used to pump water. 

8.  That amount of energy (m1-m2)*g*h is relatively small because the period of the pendulum is fixed.

9.  The obvious improvement is to replace the pendulum by an Unbalanced Wheel.  The amount of gravitational energy can be increased hundred or thousand times because of the much higher rotational speed.

10.  The QMOGENs get it right.  The Motor is used to increase the rotational speed.  The Centrifugal Force varies as the square of the angular velocity.  Thus increasing the rotational speed leads out much more gravitational energy.

11.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier is effectively many Unbalanced Wheels joined together to form Unbalanced Cylinders.  Thus it can lead-out much more gravitational energy.

This is the last time I answer this lead-out energy question.  If the student does not understand, too bad.  Let them ask help from the bright ones.

My focus is now in understanding and designing the UFO.

Lawrence Tseung

http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/msg454951/#msg454951

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3469 on: October 24, 2015, 01:10:13 AM »
http://overunity.com/15077/ufo-propu-engine-closed-loop/new/#new

The two important aspects of UFO propulsion are:

1.  Varying circular motion produces changing centrifugal force.  The difference in centrifugal force provides the net thrust in the appropriate direction.  Multiple UFO engines allow hovering, sharp turns, going into outer space etc.

2.  Leading out of energy from the surrounding.  One form of energy is the gravitational energy that is available anywhere in space.  A horizontally pulsed pendulum will increase the tension of the string.  The vertical component of the tension will raise the pendulum bob and thus lead-out or bring-in gravitational energy.  The Milkovic two stage pendulum uses the pendulum swing to raise the weight to bring-in gravitational energy.  When the pendulum swings, the largest downward force is produced when the pendulum bob is at the lowest position - highest centrifugal force.  The weight is lifted at this point with no loss of momentum of the swing.

If gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in, magnetic or electromagnetic energy can be brought-in via magnetic pendulums in magnetic fields.  Electromagnets orientate the tiny magnets (dipoles) of the iron core to produce suddenly large magnetic fields.  A pulsing DC current acts similar to pulsing a pendulum.  Magnetic or electromagnetic energy is brought-in.  The brought-in energy is then replenished by the surrounding electromagnetic energy that is always available.

Both gravitational and electromagnetic energy are available in space.  Some positions carry more.  This is one possible scientific explanation of the propulsion of the UFO engine...

Both China and USA have developed UFOs...


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3469 on: October 24, 2015, 01:10:13 AM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3470 on: October 26, 2015, 01:00:59 PM »
I propose the following simple test to demonstrate the real input and output power of the Milkovic ideas.

1. drive the setup with a weight on a string wrapped around a wheel or dowel
    to turn and set into motion the swinging.

2. then a similar weight wrapped on a string can measure the lifted output
   work.

Then if there is more output work than input Milkovic has the magic device we
all desire.

I have tried this on some setups and it has failed to produce more output
than input. 

So my simple challenge is do your own test and post the results back here.

Norman

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3471 on: October 26, 2015, 03:17:37 PM »
 Years ago I sent him a description of a linkage that would loop the energy back to the pendulum to provide the overunity he claims this mechanism has. His response was that he was no longer looking for a "linkage solution".? He knows this is not an overunity device and is just letting this thing continue on regardless. It if produced 12 times the energy it needs to function, it would be a small thing to loop the energy back, even with 50% loss, there is still energy left over.
i just watched the video.  ;D

this is a very fascinating yet simple machine. he demonstrates it's ease of use to do a powerful amount of work several times.

however, he does NOT show the device powering itself, which is the best way to demonstrate overunity.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3472 on: November 30, 2015, 09:19:11 PM »
Please guys, let's go back to more competent or at least relevant scientists and researchers.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3473 on: December 07, 2015, 07:07:27 PM »
A video from the 2015 Energy Science & Technology Conference (USA)
by Aaron Murakami

Veljko Milkovic - 2 Stage Mechanical Oscillator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbQjaTZEPjI

It is really interesting that someone relevant in this field takes a stand on the matter without hiding in anonimity.
I truly hope this encourages other forum members to provide more material like this about relevant authors discussing significant findings, such as Milcovic's.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3473 on: December 07, 2015, 07:07:27 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3474 on: December 16, 2015, 08:50:50 PM »
I agree on this. People are so brave when they criticize someone else's work.
It's not a small thing to you speak your mind and to stand behind your words - on internet and in real life.
I came across this paper published in Asian Journal of Science and Technology published by Nikhade, G. R et al. http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/G.R.Nikhade_R.U.Patil_S.P.Bansal_Two-stage_oscillator_mechanism_for_operating_a_reciprocating%20pump.pdf. It is really worth reading.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3475 on: February 04, 2016, 08:21:01 PM »
Quote from: ltseung888 on January 26, 2016, 03:11:46 AMLeading-out gravitational energy
Reference: Rhead100 video 6.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

1.   At 2:07 time, the 46 pound pendulum was at its maximum height position.  A small push with the fingers lifted the 74 pound weight twice.
2.   Between 2:07 and 3:30, note that the weight was lifted twice with each push from the fingers.
3.   The weight was lifted when the pendulum was at the lowest height position.
4.   That position was the highest velocity position.  The centrifugal force was highest.
5.   Notice that the maximum swing position was hardly changed.

Some possible deductions:
a.   The 74 pound weight was not lifted until the amplitude of the swing was high enough.
b.   The sum of the twice lifted height appeared to be more than the once movement of the fingers.
c.   The potential energy shown by the 74 pound weight was given by the formula mgh where m is mass of the 74 pound weight, g is the gravitational acceleration and h is the total height lifted.
d.   The supplied energy is the force of the push (f) times the finger movement (d) or fd.
e.   It appeared that output energy was more than supplied energy (mgh > fd) between 2:07 and 3:30.  Before 2:07, the supplied energy is used to increase the amplitude of the swing. 

Our explanation is that gravitational energy was lead-out or brought-in.  There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.  That video was an experimental confirmation.

It may be worthwhile to reproduce the Raymond Head setup so that the experiment can be repeated and improved.

Unbalanced chan wheel shows Milkovic 2SO effect...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4rgLBU34Oo

Balanced chan wheel does not show milkovic 2SO effect...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqtp4-X6TGI

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3476 on: February 09, 2016, 02:12:22 PM »
well i have read some comments on you-tube,and they are correct to answer the riddle of the device..

You are not picking up 74 pounds of weight because that weight is counterbalanced by what the pendulum weigh.

its the same misleading effect when you spin a  massive weight on spinning wheel,you only need small force to keep it going, but you always need it


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3477 on: February 13, 2016, 07:16:48 PM »
Gravitational waves - are they a reason of the extened pendulum motion?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/science/ligo-gravitational-waves-black-holes-einstein.html?_r=0

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3478 on: February 14, 2016, 07:57:54 AM »
i really hate this troll tactics on this forum...

I think the device works because it is not full moon,so the  earth gravity is in its highest point,so it will not work with full moon.

ps. if you don't know what to do ,don't do it here

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3479 on: March 14, 2016, 08:25:11 PM »
 It’s interesting how easy they start these big pendulums and keep it moving
…and these effects would be much better with the ceramic bearings and flexible (elastic) pendulums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_wAPc4GIC8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9MzYmRFjog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk3MABMLa0k


 

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