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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3375 on: June 22, 2015, 12:47:07 AM »
The precision mechanism challenge.

The same problem arises again.  Eight years ago, we used the proximity switch in the Tong Wheel to provide a solution.  That turned out to be a "mistake".  The approximate solution a sort of worked and much time and resources were wasted.

This time, we shall seek the best solution first before any "build".  There is no pressure to get a working device.  Many UFOs are flying.  Many QMOGENs are working.

I am sure that China and USA have solved this problem in their top secret projects.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor solved this problem too.

Can any forum member meet this challenge and benefit the World?

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3376 on: June 22, 2015, 03:23:23 AM »
Almost any rotary encoder would do; of course it's a waste of time.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3377 on: June 22, 2015, 03:27:28 AM »
Chinese Student:  "The Flying Saucer theory is very simple.  The Chinese translation of centripetal force is "force towards center".  The Chinese translation of centrifugal force is "force away from center".  I can easily understand that when you swing the magnet very fast in a circle, the force away from center is much higher."

Almost all Chinese Students understood the King David Sling scenario right away.  Are there any forum member not following the King David Sling scenario?

If the theory is this simple, how can USA and China keep the top secret?

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3378 on: June 22, 2015, 10:47:34 PM »

For Lawrence's specific application, a rotary shaft position encoder with 4000 line per revolution resolution and a simple microprocessor control (Arduino for example) would be better, I think. Digital is always better, isn't it? :)

The rotary encoder wheels, kits, sensor/interface etc are available from USDigital and aren't too expensive.
http://www.usdigital.com/products?gclid=COLkh_Wc7MUCFYoYHwodRQQAcw

So the position of the rotating part can be read to 1/4000 of a complete revolution by the Arduino, and the pulse edges can be set to occur at any specific line count in that range by a couple of simple potentiometers connected to the Arduino. The necessary program code is almost trivial to implement, very basic line counting and analog-digital read-write statements using ordinary potentiometers to set the pulse edges. Or if timing and dwell need to be varied automatically with rotor speed or other parameters, the Arduino can be programmed accordingly to handle that.

The technology proposed by TK may be a possible solution.  Any comments?

Any other proposals?  Have we got all the major pieces of the puzzle identified?

The Drive Coil needs energy.  Can the Collector Coils provide that (with extra left over?)?
If we use ferrite core, the efficiency can go up over 1,000 times.  Can we be using the already available electron motion or electron cloud energy?

Which Nation will implement it other than USA and China?

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3379 on: June 23, 2015, 03:46:46 PM »

The technology proposed by TK may be a possible solution.  Any comments?

Not "may be" but "is".

A bit over exotic. Remember Occam's Razor. Most people would be happy with a Hall effect switch costing a few shillings and a couple of extra components. Or whatever is specified for the Robert Adams device.

It is a simple problem with a simple solution. There is no need for mind bending accuracy or resolution in order to establish the merit or otherwise of the basic concept. In my view, as a variant of the Adams, it is interesting. As interstellar propulsion, it is dead in the water. There will be an out of balance wobble but to do anything with it, you will need a ring the size of the Large Hadron Collider, a magnet the size of Ben Nevis and a few nuclear power stations to drive it. You'd be better off with a TT Brown type set up with a rather large array of photovoltaic cells. At least that would work if there is a nearby a star.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3380 on: June 25, 2015, 02:28:38 AM »
Not "may be" but "is".

A bit over exotic. Remember Occam's Razor. Most people would be happy with a Hall effect switch costing a few shillings and a couple of extra components. Or whatever is specified for the Robert Adams device.

It is a simple problem with a simple solution. There is no need for mind bending accuracy or resolution in order to establish the merit or otherwise of the basic concept. In my view, as a variant of the Adams, it is interesting. As interstellar propulsion, it is dead in the water. There will be an out of balance wobble but to do anything with it, you will need a ring the size of the Large Hadron Collider, a magnet the size of Ben Nevis and a few nuclear power stations to drive it. You'd be better off with a TT Brown type set up with a rather large array of photovoltaic cells. At least that would work if there is a nearby a star.

@Paul-R,

You are right.  In the Pulsing Circuit, the low speed is the deciding factor.  If the top angular velocity is 600rpm and the bottom is 60 rpm, the consideration of the Pulsing Circuit is the 60 rpm.

The resulting rpm is much closer to 120-130 rpm as most of the time is spent in the low speed.

This makes the design even simpler.  May be the Garage Mechanics really have a chance.

Paul-R and other forum members - continue the useful comments.

We still need to solve the problem of supplying the energy to the Pulse (Drive) Coil – using the energy from the Collector Coils.  If using the right ferrite core and circuit, we can collect more energy than supplied, the lead-out energy flying saucer will be a reality.

Not doing or funding any builds by me turns out to be the right thing.  Now, the top engineering entities of most Nations have a chance to shine.

It will be useful to do a theoretical design using a 1 meter diameter wheel, 1Kg Magnet and top rpm at 600. Can any forum member post it?  Or should we wait for one of the Hong Kong Students?

Can USA and China still keep the top secret?

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3381 on: June 25, 2015, 01:47:36 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haurcUcDiiA

Tesla also thought about and patented a flying saucer design. 

Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer is not a dream. 

Comments at lunch: "The King David Sling explanation is simple.  KISS."

The updated presentation is attached.
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« Reply #3382 on: June 26, 2015, 02:48:43 PM »
Meeting with a former physics teacher.

Teacher: "I never expect the theory of the Flying Saucer is so simple. "

Tseung: "That is why the Christians call it the King David Sling Technology.  It existed thousands of years ago."

Teacher: "UFO is no longer a mystery."

Tseung: "Any Nation can build."

Teacher: "It may even replace the gasoline engine.  It can be used in cars.  There will be no pollution.  It may be a competitor to electric cars."

Tseung: "It is a super set of the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  No external source of energy is needed.  It uses the electron motion or electron cloud energy already present.  A ferrite core magnet can produce magnetism 1,000 times stronger than an air coil magnet with the same current."

Teacher: "I do not mind reading the new Physics Textbooks.  I hope that they include the lead-out energy flying saucer."

Share the Divine Wine.

Lawrence
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« Reply #3383 on: June 26, 2015, 02:49:24 PM »
Meeting with a former physics teacher continued.

Teacher: "I am sure that we can build a flying saucer with the proper financial support."

Tseung: "I shall let others shine.  I do not want to take the job of engineers."

Teacher: "You have done enough.  Your tomb will have the words - Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer."

Tseung: "I have decided to scatter my ashes in the ocean.  Just let the textbooks carry the words - Lead-out Energy Flying Saucer."

Teacher: "The Internet will have such words soon."

Spread the word and let the World rejoice.

Found the following posted in April 4, 2010:
http://forum.keshefoundation.org/forum/the-keshe-forum/archive-of-the-keshe-forum/186-chinese-flying-saucers-ready-go-now

More and more pieces are on the chess board now. 


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« Reply #3384 on: June 26, 2015, 09:36:03 PM »
Question:  How would the lead-out energy flying saucer technology affect the space programs of USA and China?

Answer: "There is no urgency to continue the present technology of rockets and carrying fuel to come back."

Question: "Is this the reason why NASA and the Chinese Space Programs appear to have lost momentum?"

Answer: "Your guest is as good as mine."

Some private groups interested in space travel such as http://www.virgingalactic.com/ will also be affected.

Some fun videos in the past
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXz4tzWk3xY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGtSxDo2jbk

The King David Sling technology was demonstrated 7 years ago.

Resonance with gain in energy? - no battery.  Just capacitor, frequency shifted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpbVzvM7kk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJCe86-vCv0
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« Reply #3385 on: June 27, 2015, 03:34:13 PM »
Meeting with Mr. Lee Cheung Kin, the other part of Lee-Tseung.

Lee: "You have graduated from kindergarten.  The progress is much faster than I expected.  The Chinese and USA Military Institutes may even learn something from the posts."

Tseung: "You are the first to raise the possibility of leading-out gravitational energy via the Pulsed Pendulum.  That started the research.  It took us over 10 years to reach this stage."

Lee: "I hope to see a working prototype.  Keep me informed."

The USA and China Military already have Flying Saucers - are they using our theory?'

Lawrence
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« Reply #3386 on: June 28, 2015, 12:05:47 AM »
The following experiment will be done to demonstrate the leading-out of magnetic or electromagnetic energy.

In case a, Air Core Coil is used to provide the magnetic repulsion to send the magnet upwards.  The Input electrical power can be measured.  The height reached by the magnet can be measured.

In case b, Ferrite Core Coil is used to provide the magnetic repulsion.  We can try to use the same Input electrical power.  The height reached by the magnet is expected to be higher.

In case c, an additional magnet is placed below the coil.  The height reached by the magnet is expected to be highest.

It is quite likely that the potential energy gained by the magnet in case b and c is much higher than the supplied Input Power
.  Does this mean Output Energy is greater than Input Energy or overunity?  Or is it a demonstration of leading-out magnetic or electromagnetic energy?

Who will do this experiment first and post the results in this thread and youtube?

The air core coil experiment (case a) was posted on youtube 6 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3As-tmCQU

God Bless.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3387 on: June 28, 2015, 12:23:46 AM »
Get of your butt and do the work yourself.

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« Reply #3388 on: June 28, 2015, 01:54:46 AM »
Get of your butt and do the work yourself.

The painful lesson learned is - let the good experimental scientists and engineers shine.  They are much better in measuring INPUT Electrical Power and comparing with the potential energy gained.  They are likely to have better DSOs that can measure input power accurately.

If the potential energy gained is more than the input electrical power, leading-out magnetic or electromagnetic energy is a certainty.   Let others claim the credit.

Let others also serve the Divine Wine.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3389 on: June 28, 2015, 02:05:47 AM »
and let others look like fools when, not if, they fail time after time. You can always claim that THEY screwed up.

 

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