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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1791671 times)

Offline Paul-R

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3000 on: March 23, 2015, 04:59:58 PM »
Paul-R, you can believe what you want, including in the magic of powdered unicorn horns
What is your purpose, Memoryman, with this gratuitously offensive comment?

Is it to big yourself up or pull me down?

Either way, I suspect that you are frightened.

Offline Paul-R

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3001 on: March 23, 2015, 05:08:06 PM »
It goes back to my unbalanced car wheel experiment I suggested that Lawrence do.  Of course, he did not do it as he probably really knows what the outcome would be.  Unbalanced=less efficiency not higher efficiency and certainly not overunity.

I agree with all this, Bill. The idea that one can pedal a bike more easily up a hill by strapping a lead weight to the spokes on one side is patently ludicrous.

It seems to me something doesn't fit. Lawrence's explanations aren't explanations; they are re-statements. There is a link missing; that's all.  If we find it there may be a revelation.

Offline MarkE

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3002 on: March 23, 2015, 05:11:31 PM »
I agree with all this, Bill. The idea that one can pedal a bike more easily up a hill by strapping a lead weight to the spokes on one side is patently ludicrous.

It seems to me something doesn't fit. Lawrence's explanations aren't explanations; they are re-statements. There is a link missing; that's all.  If we find it there may be a revelation.
There is no revelation.  There is Lawrence pitching unworkable devices.  He has been doing this on message boards for at least a decade that I know about.  At one time he was pitching buoyancy drives.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3003 on: March 23, 2015, 05:15:44 PM »
There is no revelation.
Can you show that there is no revelation to be discovered?

Offline memoryman

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3004 on: March 23, 2015, 05:17:31 PM »
What is your purpose, Memoryman, with this gratuitously offensive comment?

Is it to big yourself up or pull me down?

Either way, I suspect that you are frightened.
Paul-R, it's up to you to decide if something is offensive.
Beliefs ultimately make no difference - actions and results do.
The world is full of people who believe things; so what?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3005 on: March 23, 2015, 05:21:03 PM »
Paul-R, it's up to you to decide if something is offensive.
Beliefs ultimately make no difference - actions and results do.
The world is full of people who believe things; so what?
I think that the fear of your Physics world being rocked or even disturbed is getting in the way of your dispassionate objectivity. Consider that instead of something to lose, you may have something to gain.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3006 on: March 23, 2015, 05:34:27 PM »
Paul-R, it's up to you to decide if something is offensive.
This is absolutely correct. (viz those Islamist nutbags and cartoons of prophets).

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3007 on: March 23, 2015, 05:47:02 PM »
I just heard on the news that Vidar's garage imploded due to the excess of lead out energy from his experiment.  I think they are still evacuating the neighborhood.  I hope he is OK.  You could just sense all of that extra free energy in that unbalanced wheel in the video.

But, seriously, nice video Vidar.  I hope Lawrence sees it and finally understands what is really happening here.

Bill
HAHA :-) Don't mess with lead-out energy - if you have neighbors :-) My computer screen shrinked from 15" to 1" after one watch of the video - now I'm using a microscope to see what I'm typing here...


Maybe I should write this university an email telling them that lead-out energy is impossible.


Vidar



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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3008 on: March 23, 2015, 05:55:15 PM »
Lawrence declines to identify any document from Tsinghua University, or anyone from the university that corroborates his claim that they ever developed an "Energy Magnifier".  I suspect that if anyone were to contact the university with respect to Lawrence's claims, any response would be puzzlement.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3009 on: March 23, 2015, 06:02:39 PM »
This is absolutely correct. (viz those Islamist nutbags and cartoons of prophets).
Strange that you have this opinion (completely wrong) of me without knowing anything about me; however, I have no need to prove anything to anybody.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3010 on: March 23, 2015, 06:07:48 PM »
Can you show that there is no revelation to be discovered?
With respect to Lawrence's "lead-out" energy claims, each and every machine he has diagrammed has failed to support his claims of surplus energy.  Lawrence has failed to show any basis in accepted theory for his "lead-out" energy claims, and he has failed to show any experimental evidence for those claims.  Consequently, there is no evidence to suggest that there is any revelation.  Quite the contrary, one need only look at Low-Q's excellent demonstration to see Lawrence's claims:

"Lead-out" energy that Lawrence claims manifests from spinning an unbalanced wheel does not manifest.  Instead of speeding up as it would if such energy manifested, Low-Q's demonstration shows that the unbalanced wheel slows down and eventually stops even without any external load.

Reactive energy that Lawrence claims is able to perform work is not surplus and must be replenished.  Low-Q demonstrates that loading the supporting pendulum arm causes the unbalanced wheel to slow down faster than leaving the arm unloaded.

Can you cite any accepted theory that supports Lawrence's claims?  Can you cite any experimental evidence that supports Lawrence's claims?

If not then we are left with the huge body of evidence that supports conventional physics, and none that supports Lawrence's opposing claims.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3011 on: March 23, 2015, 07:12:30 PM »

Can you cite any accepted theory that supports Lawrence's claims?
Free energy research involves challenging the "accepted theory". That is much of the essence of it.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3012 on: March 23, 2015, 07:48:16 PM »
Free energy research involves challenging the "accepted theory". That is much of the essence of it.
And what makes you think that I am not willing to challenge?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3013 on: March 23, 2015, 08:01:45 PM »
The proposed test procedure for the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Platform.

1.    Assume that the build is according to Experiment 13 as shown in reply 2994.
2.   The Unbalanced Wheel is a flywheel as shown in reply 2990.
3.   The first test will not have any Unbalanced Wheels.  The Motor just drives the Generator via the pulley and belt.  This is NOT expected to work.  However, the speed of rotation can be varied.  The purpose is to detect any possible resonance.
4.   The second test is to add a balanced flywheel.  The balanced flywheel will store some mechanical energy.  That will help the switching over from mains or battery source to Generator output.  This may possibly work as the flywheel may not be perfectly balanced.
5.   The third test is to make change to the Unbalanced Flywheel in small increments.  Any weight or moving away from the center will increase the centrifugal force and produce the lead-out gravitational energy.  This step must be very careful.  Any loose parts may fly out.  A protective “cage” is recommended.  This is the most likely step to see the lead-out energy.
6.   The fourth test is to change the Motor and Generator Pairs.  Some combination is expected to be better than others.
7.   The fifth test is to vary the external load.  The initial load can be a fan and a light bulb.  The new load can be other household electrical appliances.
8.   All tests will be well recorded, videotaped and analyzed.  There is no hurry to get to any result.

All the above should be tested in a proper environment.  The test laboratories of Electric Motor Companies will be best.  University laboratories will be second best.  Well-equipped machine shops will be considered.

Lawrence Tseung
see reply 2994

*** I expect that similar platforms and tests will be done confidentially in many Electric Motor Company Laboratories.  The Companies are likely to produce "integrated" products - making it easy for the consumer.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #3014 on: March 23, 2015, 08:17:38 PM »
The proposed test procedure for the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Platform.

1.    Assume that the build is according to Experiment 13 as shown in reply 2994.
2.   The Unbalanced Wheel is a flywheel as shown in reply 2990.
3.   The first test will not have any Unbalanced Wheels.  The Motor just drives the Generator via the pulley and belt.  This is NOT expected to work.  However, the speed of rotation can be varied.  The purpose is to detect any possible resonance.
4.   The second test is to add a balanced flywheel.  The balanced flywheel will store some mechanical energy.  That will help the switching over from mains or battery source to Generator output.  This may possibly work as the flywheel may not be perfectly balanced.
5.   The third test is to make change to the Unbalanced Flywheel in small increments.  Any weight or moving away from the center will increase the centrifugal force and produce the lead-out gravitational energy.  This step must be very careful.  Any loose parts may fly out.  A protective “cage” is recommended.  This is the most likely step to see the lead-out energy.
6.   The fourth test is to change the Motor and Generator Pairs.  Some combination is expected to be better than others.
7.   The fifth test is to vary the external load.  The initial load can be a fan and a light bulb.  The new load can be other household electrical appliances.
8.   All tests will be well recorded, videotaped and analyzed.  There is no hurry to get to any result.

All the above should be tested in a proper environment.  The test laboratories of Electric Motor Companies will be best.  University laboratories will be second best.  Well-equipped machine shops will be considered.

Lawrence Tseung
see reply 2994

*** I expect that similar platforms and tests will be done confidentially in many Electric Motor Company Laboratories.  The Companies are likely to produce "integrated" products - making it easy for the consumer.
Lawrence, do you really ignore what we other members try to say to you here?
We have by a simple demonstration (I did this experiment yesterday and put the video on youtube) proved that your design never can produce lead-out energy. Why do you continue? You are unstoppable, man!  :o 
Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV3RAL-SWjc

Sent you a PM with the same text.

Vidar