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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1791674 times)

Offline Paul-R

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2985 on: March 22, 2015, 04:28:56 PM »
Unfreezing a fastener by hammering on it should make a lot of sense:  There is almost no movement, but very high peak force. 
This is the classic explanation, as mentioned by Memoryman in #2998. I don't accept it any more than the domain theory of magnetism.

The energy required to tear through the rusted up surfaces which have chemically merged is high. I don't claim to have an explanation but I don't accept what is glibly dished up in schools.

I should ask: Is that patent crap known as the domain theory still taught in schools?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2986 on: March 22, 2015, 04:53:00 PM »
No, Bill, you have this element wrong. Lawrence's ideas are about excess energy, not turning accuracy. Unbalance a lathe and it probably won't turn a circular job. It will go elliptical or at least eccentric.

i have a feeling there is something in this. It goes back to Chas Campbell. Also, reminscent of the ability to unstick a stuck nut by banging an adjustable with a hammer rather than applying a steady force. (The classic explanation makes no more sense than the domain theory of magnetism).
This elliptical or eccentric curve the hub of that unbalanced wheel is following is what I have tried to explain to Lawrence earlier.
It doesn't help. He just continues refering to post 2826...
An unbalanced wheel will ofcourse viberate when it rotates. Nothing new to that.
The thing is that Lawrence believe the energy in this viberation is coming from somewhere else - literally.
As long there is a viberating wheel, we must assume the wheel is connected to some sort of suspension or on the end some kind of a lever/seesaw thing.
The thing is that this viberation does not follow the weights position.
If you have a speed cam, you will see this very clear, and by watching the video in slow motion later,
you would clearly understand that there is no excess energy in unbalanced wheels.
Inertia of both the weight placed on the wheel, and the other weight has inertia.
This inertia will counterforce the wheel - it takes time to start moving the weigts in any direction,
and further the same amount of energy as it took to accelerate them must be spent to deaccelerate them too.
Not only the viberation, but also the rpm will slow down.
This kind of experiments has been repeated a countless times by hobbyists and scientist.
As I have explained earlier, we are dealing with REACTIVE energy. Reactive energy cannot do work. Simple as that.


Lawrence will continue to refer to post 2826. Never mind that post.


Vidar

Offline MarkE

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2987 on: March 22, 2015, 04:59:05 PM »
Why is the nut stuck.

It could be stuck for several reasons,, but they all come down to resistance,, what is causing it does not matter.

Why do you heat up a press fit pulley before installing it.

For the same reason that banging on a fastener that is stuck helps to undo it, it momentarily reduces the resistance.

The unbalanced wheel can indeed momentarily store energy, but where does it come from and where does it go,, how does that happen,, what does that look like.

I understand the stuck nut and the press fit,, I have read the theory behind both of them and was given methods of using the theory that worked.

I have not been given this "walk through" from Lawrence.  I understand how some energy can enter into the unbalanced wheel and where THAT energy comes from and where THAT energy goes to but I do not have any method given that shows more energy entering into the system, not have I been given a method of using that extra energy that works.

As I understand it:  If I have a system that already is providing an increase in output over the cost of the input then using an oscillation will further enhance that gain.

This is not very instructive.
Flywheels make great mechanical integrators.  So if someone has a mechanical device that cyclically absorbs and releases energy, they could hook that device up to a flywheel and the flywheel would average the energy out.  If the device gained energy each cycle, the flywheel would accelerate  cycle by cycle.  It would then be trivial to observe that there is an energy gain by observing the flywheel's steady acceleration.  One would actually need a brake of some kind to load the device down so that it would not accelerate to the point of destruction.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2988 on: March 22, 2015, 06:06:44 PM »
Paul-R, you can believe what you want, including in the magic of powdered unicorn horns, or Creation theory, but that does not alter what has been verified by experiments.
You don't even have a better theory.

Offline ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2989 on: March 22, 2015, 08:04:24 PM »
Another positive response from an electric motor manufacturer in China.

Dear Mr. Lawrence Tseung,

 

Thanks for your enquiry.

Yes, we are interested in your information. This is XXX.  Our detail Motor's information will be sent to you by email.

Please check.

Best regards

XXX

*** At least two manufacturers in China are interested in the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Experiment.  They have the whole range of motors, generators, test equipment etc.  It is much easier for them to do the experiment and tuning than myself.

Sow seeds...

Lawrence Tseung
see reply 2994 (The focus now is on working with Electric Motor Companies to do the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Experiment.)

 



Offline memoryman

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2990 on: March 22, 2015, 09:35:51 PM »
No Lawrence, ALL shops, wherever, are interested in paying jobs. it's highly doubtful that they care about the use of the thing that they manufacture.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2991 on: March 22, 2015, 10:35:46 PM »
Another positive response from an electric motor manufacturer in China.

Dear Mr. Lawrence Tseung,

 

Thanks for your enquiry.

Yes, we are interested in your information. This is XXX.  Our detail Motor's information will be sent to you by email.

Please check.

Best regards

XXX

*** At least two manufacturers in China are interested in the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Experiment.  They have the whole range of motors, generators, test equipment etc.  It is much easier for them to do the experiment and tuning than myself.

Sow seeds...

Lawrence Tseung
see reply 2994 (The focus now is on working with Electric Motor Companies to do the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Experiment.)
The alleged technology is hardly being suppressed then is it?  What excuse will you offer a year from now when none of these manufacturers builds anything that successfully self-loops?  Why is it that your "lead-out" theory requires either a motor or a generator in the first place?  Why can't you show an unbalanced wheel self accelerate?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2992 on: March 22, 2015, 10:50:52 PM »
Just made a small experiment to point out that reactive energy will tap an imbalanced wheel of energy if we add a load to it.

http://youtu.be/vV3RAL-SWjc

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2993 on: March 22, 2015, 11:08:18 PM »
Just made a small experiment to point out that reactive energy will tap an imbalanced wheel of energy if we add a load to it.

http://youtu.be/vV3RAL-SWjc
That is a brilliantly simple demonstration of both what you intended and that there is no "lead-out" energy to be had from a spinning off balance wheel as with or without loading the pendulum the wheel slowed down rather than sped up.  Was Tsinghua University too intellectually encumbered to test Lawrence's basic claim?  What has Lawrence been doing this past decade other than promoting complete BS?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2994 on: March 22, 2015, 11:32:16 PM »
Just made a small experiment to point out that reactive energy will tap an imbalanced wheel of energy if we add a load to it.

http://youtu.be/vV3RAL-SWjc

I just heard on the news that Vidar's garage imploded due to the excess of lead out energy from his experiment.  I think they are still evacuating the neighborhood.  I hope he is OK.  You could just sense all of that extra free energy in that unbalanced wheel in the video.

But, seriously, nice video Vidar.  I hope Lawrence sees it and finally understands what is really happening here.

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2995 on: March 22, 2015, 11:35:38 PM »
No, Bill, you have this element wrong. Lawrence's ideas are about excess energy, not turning accuracy. Unbalance a lathe and it probably won't turn a circular job. It will go elliptical or at least eccentric.

i have a feeling there is something in this. It goes back to Chas Campbell. Also, reminscent of the ability to unstick a stuck nut by banging an adjustable with a hammer rather than applying a steady force. (The classic explanation makes no more sense than the domain theory of magnetism).

Paul:

With all due respect, there is nothing in this at all.  Watch Vidar's video and you will see what we thought would happen...happens.  It goes back to my unbalanced car wheel experiment I suggested that Lawrence do.  Of course, he did not do it as he probably really knows what the outcome would be.  Unbalanced=less efficiency not higher efficiency and certainly not overunity.

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2996 on: March 23, 2015, 12:30:21 AM »
I have now got 2 more replies from Chinese Electric Motor Companies interested in the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier QMOGEN platform project described in reply 2994.

http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg443378/#msg443378

I shall be contacting two local machine shops in Hong Kong today.

It is now certain that the experiment will be done in multiple places with proper facilities.  I do not need to come up with the money myself.  Just give them a presentation.  They can read my posts and the many negative comments.  It is their choice whether they do the experiment.

Should I care about the comments from the Nay Sayers in this forum?  These Nay Sayers will not do the QMOGEN experiment as described.  Sow seeds.  Some will fall on rocks...

It looks like the fertile soils are in Asia...


Lawrence Tseung
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2997 on: March 23, 2015, 12:44:07 AM »
I have now got 2 more replies from Chinese Electric Motor Companies interested in the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier QMOGEN project described in reply 2994.

http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg443378/#msg443378

I shall be contacting two local machine shops in Hong Kong today.

It is now certain that the experiment will be done in multiple places with proper facilities.  I do not need to come up with the money myself.  Just give them a presentation.  They can read my posts and the many negative comments.  It is their choice whether they do the experiment.

Should I care about the comments from the Nay Sayers in this forum?  These Nay Sayers will not do the QMOGEN experiment as described.  Sow seeds.  Some will fall on rocks...

It looks like the fertile soils are in Asia...


Lawrence Tseung
see reply 2994
It's nice that you hope other people will conduct experiments with respect to your BS "lead-out" ideas.  Well Low-Q just did.  His experiment completely falsifies your BS "lead-out" claims.  He drove his unbalanced wheel with his Dremel tool motor.  The wheel did not self accelerate.  It decelerated.  It came to a stop with only a bearing load.  Ergo, attaching a lossy generator to a lossy motor back to the wheel would only have brought it to a stop in less time.  Prattling on as you might you cannot defend your hapless ideas against Low-Q's brilliantly simple, yet thorough demonstration.



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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2998 on: March 23, 2015, 06:46:47 AM »
I have now got 2 more replies from Chinese Electric Motor Companies interested in the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier QMOGEN platform project described in reply 2994.

http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg443378/#msg443378

I shall be contacting two local machine shops in Hong Kong today.

It is now certain that the experiment will be done in multiple places with proper facilities.  I do not need to come up with the money myself.  Just give them a presentation.  They can read my posts and the many negative comments.  It is their choice whether they do the experiment.

Should I care about the comments from the Nay Sayers in this forum?  These Nay Sayers will not do the QMOGEN experiment as described.  Sow seeds.  Some will fall on rocks...

It looks like the fertile soils are in Asia...


Lawrence Tseung
see reply 2994
@Lawrence: See reply 3007
This video proves that "Tsunami University" is bogus and wrong.



Offline MarkE

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2999 on: March 23, 2015, 08:00:35 AM »
This is the classic explanation, as mentioned by Memoryman in #2998. I don't accept it any more than the domain theory of magnetism.

The energy required to tear through the rusted up surfaces which have chemically merged is high. I don't claim to have an explanation but I don't accept what is glibly dished up in schools.

I should ask: Is that patent crap known as the domain theory still taught in schools?
It takes high force to break the surfaces from each other.  The distance that it takes is very small.  Consequently:  the energy required is not that great.

What is it about the idea of magnetic domains that you don't like?