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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1791672 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2970 on: March 22, 2015, 01:03:12 AM »


Whether Lawrence's work functions is quite another matter.

Yes it is.  Simple physics and basic mechanics will tell you that it will not/can not work as Lawrence describes.  (See machine shop reply above)

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2971 on: March 22, 2015, 01:29:28 AM »
Reaction From The Machine Shop:

This is the most cockamamie idea we have ever heard of.  If this were to be true, we could unbalance our lathes and surface grinder spindles and get more accurate results.  We know this not to be true.  We could also loosen the belts on our machines but, that would only decrease efficiency.  While we appreciate your inquiry, we suggest that you go somewhere else as we have to make money in order to survive and working on a project like this, which has exactly 0 chance of working, is not our cup of tea.

Thank you,

Machine Shop

Fortunately, the modern day educated Chinese are much more clever.  The machine shop owner is young and eager to explore new opportunities.

When a no-lose situation arises - get paid to do a customer order and free to use the idea no matter what happens, he will take the opportunity.

Only stupid Westerners who believe in their superiority in knowledge and misinterpretation of Physics will walk away and jeer.

Get the focus back to the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier simplified prototype.

Sow seeds.  Some will fall on hard rock..

Lawrence Tseung
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2972 on: March 22, 2015, 01:38:29 AM »
Fortunately, the modern day educated Chinese are much more clever.  The machine shop owner is young and eager to explore new opportunities.

When a no-lose situation arises - get paid to do a customer order and free to use the idea no matter what happens, he will take the opportunity.

Only stupid Westerners who believe in their superiority in knowledge and misinterpretation of Physics will walk away and jeer.

Get the focus back to the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier simplified prototype.

Sow seeds.  Some will fall on hard rock..

Lawrence Tseung
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The more likely outcome, if this were to work. Is China will crash the markets with cheap energy, and we will buy it for next to nothing. Far less than oil or natural gas,. sounds like a WIN - WIN.
When can we expect this to happen???

On the other hand if it does NOT happen....  we can always revert back to the QUERTY idea, and attach Tseung to a keyboard generator, and get our "free energy" that way.....

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2973 on: March 22, 2015, 01:49:51 AM »
Fortunately, the modern day educated Chinese are much more clever.  The machine shop owner is young and eager to explore new opportunities.

When a no-lose situation arises - get paid to do a customer order and free to use the idea no matter what happens, he will take the opportunity.

Only stupid Westerners who believe in their superiority in knowledge and misinterpretation of Physics will walk away and jeer.

Get the focus back to the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier simplified prototype.

Sow seeds.  Some will fall on hard rock..

Lawrence Tseung
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Well, I worked in a machine shop since I was 12 years old.  Then, I went on to own my own shop serving the aerospace industry machining industrial and technical ceramics.  I have over 20 years in this business and, if you had written to me, my reply above would have been what you would have received.  We would machine anything you would like but, we would make you pay in advance. (Known as CIA, Cash In Advance)
If this "young" machine shop guy (which really means little to no experience) is excited about your delusional theory, then, I suppose we will have to wait yet again to see what, if anything, comes from it. 

It has been many years since you introduced your theory and, so far, there has not been one working device to prove that it is valid.  Not one.  The "working devices" that you claim work on your theory have ALL been proven NOT to work.  All we would like to see is one, just one device that works as your theory claims it should.  You have not/can not produce such a device so, you really can not blame us for being a bit skeptical.

I mean no disrespect Lawrence.  I like you.  I have said on these forums many times over the years that I admire the way that you continue to cling to your theory in the face of adversity, when device after device that you have named has failed.  This is, in a way, admirable.  You are consistent which is more than can be said of most folks these days.

I do wish you luck in proving your theory.  You probably do not believe this, but I really do.

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2974 on: March 22, 2015, 02:02:33 AM »
That's admirable Bill,

I would like to see a working device come to fruition, as my experiences have taught me such is possible, just not fully understood by science.

However, I have thoroughly read Tseungs theory of Lead-Out energy, and it simply is not what he makes it out to be.....
On top of that, he makes direct reference to devices that do not comply with his theory in the slightest. Yet he proclaims these as "evidence". Most importantly the device concerned in THIS thread....

The exact physics behind this device are well known, well presented, and available to the public.
There's nothing "Lead-Out" about it....


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2975 on: March 22, 2015, 02:06:46 AM »
That's admirable Bill,

I would like to see a working device come to fruition, as my experiences have taught me such is possible, just not fully understood by science.

However, I have thoroughly read Tseungs theory of Lead-Out energy, and it simply is not what he makes it out to be.....
On top of that, he makes direct reference to devices that do not comply with his theory in the slightest. Yet he proclaims these as "evidence". Most importantly the device concerned in THIS thread....

The exact physics behind this device are well known, well presented, and available to the public.
There's nothing "Lead-Out" about it....

Thank you SmOky2.  I agree with you.  That bothers me too.  We could launch a new space shuttle tomorrow and Lawrence would claim that as proof of his theory.  He is not a bad guy though, and maybe...just maybe...(dare I say it?) one of his theories will be proven.

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2976 on: March 22, 2015, 08:36:21 AM »
Good and bad Unbalanced Wheel comparisons.

A good Unbalanced Wheel produces well defined oscillations per second.  That will lead-out gravitational energy.

A bad Unbalanced Wheel will not produce well defined oscillations. 

Lawrence Tseung
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2977 on: March 22, 2015, 10:09:28 AM »
Good and bad Unbalanced Wheel comparisons.

A good Unbalanced Wheel produces well defined oscillations per second.  That will lead-out gravitational energy.

A bad Unbalanced Wheel will not produce well defined oscillations. 

Lawrence Tseung
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You're right about oscillations, but wrong about lead-out energy.


Google "Reactive energy" or "Reactive power".
Oscillations due to imbalanced wheel is described as reactive energy. Reactive energy cannot do useful work because it all happens in the oscillations itself - energy that only exchange +/- 90 degrees from eachother between a suspension and a mass. Taking energy from this oscillation, you tap it from reactive energy, and the oscillations ceases - because the phase difference narrows to less than +/- 90 degrees. Only a frictionless oscillation system exchange the energy +/- 90 degrees (in total 180 degrees) from each others suspension and mass. Hence no energy can be harvested from oscillations as an additional energy output without applying the same amount of energy from an external energy source.


This is well known, and very simple basic physics. Maybe you've gone to far with your claims to have the gut to admit you're wrong?


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2978 on: March 22, 2015, 11:46:48 AM »
The following is the reply from an electric motor manufacturer in China.  The sensitive information has been overwritten.

hello ,

This is XXX from YYY Electric Machine MFG.Co.,Ltd  founded in 1954.  Thanks for your inquiry & glad to contract you!

We are professional manufacture  DC/AC Motor for almost 60years. Our factory can customized any ac or dc  motor ,according to customer specific requirements.

We have great interest in developing business with you. We would be glad to talk in details through

Mail: ZZZ   Phone:  ZZZ

Best regard,

XXX

*** This is what I expected from the clever and eager Chinese Manufacturers.  I shall forward them more information and develop the business relationships.  Stay tuned...

Divine Wine is for all to share.

Lawrence Tseung
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2979 on: March 22, 2015, 12:11:37 PM »
I am sure that there are many businesses happy to take your money to build custom units: cash in advance.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2980 on: March 22, 2015, 12:59:25 PM »
Dear Mr. XXX,

Thank you for your speedy reply.

As mentioned in my enquiry via Alibaba.com, I am interested to find an Electric Motor Company to work with to develop a QMOGEN.

A QMOGEN is a new technology still under scientific debate.  It is a Motor and Generator pair with self-loop using lead-out gravitational, magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  The best QMOGEN known to me is the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  It was invented by an old inventor and used in his factory.  Initially, the inventor was accused by the local electricity company as stealing electricity.  They got the professors at Tsinghua University to investigate in 1996.

Tsinghua University found the inventor innocent.  Mr. Lee Cheung Kin, a retired Chinese Missile expert trained in USSR, and myself proposed the Lee-Tseung Lead-out Energy Theory in 2004.  We were invited to Tsinghua University to present our theory in 2006.  We learned about the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier that can lead-out 30 times the Input Energy.  A diagram is attached.

Now over 50 QMOGENs have been complied by a Mr. Sterling Allan of USA.  I presented the information to some Investors and some academics.  We are interested in replicating a simplified version of the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier. (Experiment 13, diagram attached).

We can use either AC or DC motors.  In the attached diagram, we show AC.  The AC Motor may start as a ½ power model.  It is connected to an unbalanced wheel or cylinder.  Initially, that can be a flywheel with a bar and weight attachment.  The motor will drive this unbalanced flywheel.  According to the Lee-Tseung lead-out theory, gravitational energy will be lead-out or brought-in the system.  The amount brought-in will vary as the square of the angular velocity.

Experiments from others indicated that sufficient gravitational energy will be brought-in around 400 rpm.  This additional energy can be transferred via a pulley and belt system to an AC Generator that can generate 2HP or more.

After steady state, the mains power can be cut off.  The Generator supplies its lead-out energy to the motor.  Essentially, the QMOGEN is self-running.  It can drive the motor and other electrical appliances.

This may sound as impossible according to the Law of Conservation of Energy.  However, if there is lead-out energy, there is NO violation.


There are two QMOGENs we are following closely, YMNEE in U.K. and Maglev in Taiwan.  Both have been demonstrated on TV and on youtube.

Experiment 13 aims to set up a platform to do full testing.  We would like to test various motor and generator pairs.  We shall also test different Unbalanced Wheels/Cylinders.  Your help will be highly appreciated.

Our investor/supporter has expressed interest in funding the experiment.  We would like to get a quote on the possible price for the experiment.  The deal is that we shall show the experimental outcome to the World.  You are encouraged to use the information to do your own development.  There will be no patents and no royalty fees.  However, you are encouraged to donate 10% of your profit to a charity of your choice.

Attached is the presentation in Chinese.  I shall email or skype in the next few days to discuss further arrangements.

Yours sincerely,

Lawrence Tseung

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2981 on: March 22, 2015, 01:32:12 PM »
The following is the reply from an electric motor manufacturer in China.  The sensitive information has been overwritten.

hello ,

This is XXX from YYY Electric Machine MFG.Co.,Ltd  founded in 1954.  Thanks for your inquiry & glad to contract you!

We are professional manufacture  DC/AC Motor for almost 60years. Our factory can customized any ac or dc  motor ,according to customer specific requirements.

We have great interest in developing business with you. We would be glad to talk in details through

Mail: ZZZ   Phone:  ZZZ

Best regard,

XXX

*** This is what I expected from the clever and eager Chinese Manufacturers.  I shall forward them more information and develop the business relationships.  Stay tuned...

Divine Wine is for all to share.

Lawrence Tseung
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Reply 2826 is worthless because gravity has no energy (Only force which isn't energy), and your wallet will be empty soon with nothing in return. This is just stupid, or you are just making jokes with us :-)


Vidar

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2982 on: March 22, 2015, 03:36:58 PM »
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This is the most cockamamie idea we have ever heard of.  If this were to be true, we could unbalance our lathes and surface grinder spindles and get more accurate results.
No, Bill, you have this element wrong. Lawrence's ideas are about excess energy, not turning accuracy. Unbalance a lathe and it probably won't turn a circular job. It will go elliptical or at least eccentric.

i have a feeling there is something in this. It goes back to Chas Campbell. Also, reminscent of the ability to unstick a stuck nut by banging an adjustable with a hammer rather than applying a steady force. (The classic explanation makes no more sense than the domain theory of magnetism).

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2983 on: March 22, 2015, 04:01:53 PM »
No, Bill, you have this element wrong. Lawrence's ideas are about excess energy, not turning accuracy. Unbalance a lathe and it probably won't turn a circular job. It will go elliptical or at least eccentric.

i have a feeling there is something in this. It goes back to Chas Campbell. Also, reminscent of the ability to unstick a stuck nut by banging an adjustable with a hammer rather than applying a steady force. (The classic explanation makes no more sense than the domain theory of magnetism).
Unfreezing a fastener by hammering on it should make a lot of sense:  There is almost no movement, but very high peak force.  Unbalancing something makes it more complicated to analyze, and more difficult to measure accurately due to the loss of symmetry for analysis and the wide variation of forces for measurement.

Suppose for a moment that unbalancing a wheel were to suck in energy from somewhere.  In order to establish that were true, one would not need a motor and generator.  All they would need is a motor, the unbalanced wheel, an equivalent balanced wheel, a flexible coupling, a flywheel and dynamometer.  In one test the motor drives the unbalanced wheel that through the flexible coupling drives a flywheel which in turn drives a dynamometer.  In a second test the unbalanced wheel is replaced with the balanced wheel.  The dynamometer measures input electrical power to the motor and output mechanical power.  If there s a benefit to the unbalanced wheel it will show up as superior performance  to the balanced wheel.  If the unbalanced wheel generates or sucks in surplus energy, then once spinning the motor could be shut off and the system would keep spinning until the dynamometer load is large enough to absorb all the surplus.  Taken to the next logical step: a motor would not even be needed.  One could mount a bicycle wheel and unbalance it, and then spin it up.  If it slows down, then the alleged "lead-out" energy is not enough to even overcome the bearing friction of the bicycle wheel.  If it slows down faster than the same wheel with the same total mass balanced, then the alleged "lead-out" energy is no benefit at all.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2984 on: March 22, 2015, 04:07:35 PM »
"the ability to unstick a stuck nut by banging an adjustable with a hammer rather than applying a steady force." that is completely explained by the IMPACT (defined as: change in acceleration with respect to time) of the hammer blow; that gives a much higher momentary force than the steady force of the wrench. You have to overcome the static friction of the stuck nut, which is a high force.
Chas Campbell never had an OU device.