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### Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 2009010 times)

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2955 on: March 20, 2015, 01:11:00 PM »
Dear Lawrence,

I happen to have a one wheel bike. I turned the right side crank 180 degrees, so both point in the same direction. Then I removed the pedals and attached a small iron weight to it. So I now have a one wheel bike (it also has a saddle of course) from which I can turn the wheel by hand. Or by rocking the bike forwards and backwards. I can get it to spin very fast that way. As soon as I stop rocking (speeding) the bike is difficult to hold with my hands, and depending on how I hold it, it may start thumping with the saddle on the ground. It looks like I am adding energy to the spinning wheel by rocking it forth and back, and I can let some of the energy get back out in another direction. I think the rotational speed will get less if energy is used to lift up the bike, thumping on the floor.

It is possibly half of an example. I assume I will need to attach the bike to something else, to use some of the energy (and to perhaps rotate the wheel by motor so we can control the speed).

I am not an engineer, and use all kind of spare parts I have or can find. I have some more bike wheels, even one with a dynamo in the hub, but I am bad in connecting all of this together. Most of the time my constructions will be to weak to support all that rocking energy. I am better of with electronics.

My recommendation is to read reply 2957 again. If you are not good with construction, just wait.  One or more QMOGENs is likely to come as a product from China or India.

#### Paul-R

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2956 on: March 20, 2015, 03:22:30 PM »
....and have spent millions of dollars perfecting an efficient, balanced and dependable motor.  If we were to do as you suggest, our motors would not only be less efficient, but their life span would be greatly decreased....
This is for regular motor usage, vacuum cleaners, egg whisks and so on.

The whole point of this part of Lawrence's work is that the system MUST have an unbalanced element in it. Not necessarily the motor itself, but another element in the chain.

Whether Lawrence's work functions is quite another matter.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2957 on: March 20, 2015, 03:29:52 PM »
This is for regular motor usage, vacuum cleaners, egg whisks and so on.

The whole point of this part of Lawrence's work is that the system MUST have an unbalanced element in it. Not necessarily the motor itself, but another element in the chain.

Whether Lawrence's work functions is quite another matter.
Despite his protestations, Lawrence has never shown a surplus of output energy over input from any of his schemes.  He routinely promotes claims of overunity for devices that have no useful output at all, claiming that they have a capacity to do work, all the while neglecting that any work that they would perform would result in associated extra demand on the input.  Additionally, Lawrence has never shown any reason to believe that unbalancing a wheel will do anything to improve efficiency, extract energy from the environment somehow, or otherwise offer some hope of advantage over a balanced wheel.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2958 on: March 20, 2015, 03:31:34 PM »
My recommendation is to read reply 2957 again. If you are not good with construction, just wait.  One or more QMOGENs is likely to come as a product from China or India.
The likelihood is more than  10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000:1 that no working QMOGEN will ever come from anywhere.

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2959 on: March 20, 2015, 06:33:02 PM »
Improvement on the parts list in reply 2960

a.  Use an unbalanced flywheel as shown.  Start with a 15 cm diameter 5Kg Flywheel.  Unbalanced weight of 0.5 Kg adjustable distance from center from 8 cm to 15 cm.  Need to contact a machine shop.  This part must be very secure.  May enclose the whole set up in a "cage" for safety reasons.

b.  Use motor and generator from the same manufacturer.  Wait and see which manufacturer responses.

The top QMOGEN from Sterling Allan is the Russian MES50

I still prefer the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  The Unbalanced Cylinders can improve almost any QMOGEN.

#### memoryman

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2960 on: March 20, 2015, 09:11:32 PM »
An endorsement by Sterling Allen is the kiss of death for anything.
"The Unbalanced Cylinders can improve almost any QMOGEN." Well yes; how can you NOT improve on a non-existent device?

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2961 on: March 20, 2015, 09:23:27 PM »
Improvement on the parts list in reply 2960

a.  Use an unbalanced flywheel as shown.  Start with a 15 cm diameter 5Kg Flywheel.  Unbalanced weight of 0.5 Kg adjustable distance from center from 8 cm to 15 cm.  Need to contact a machine shop.  This part must be very secure.  May enclose the whole set up in a "cage" for safety reasons.

b.  Use motor and generator from the same manufacturer.  Wait and see which manufacturer responses.

The top QMOGEN from Sterling Allan is the Russian MES50

I still prefer the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  The Unbalanced Cylinders can improve almost any QMOGEN.
The only problem being that no QMOGEN has ever been shown to generate output energy in excess of the input energy.

#### Low-Q

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2962 on: March 20, 2015, 11:23:18 PM »
Improvement on the parts list in reply 2960

a.  Use an unbalanced flywheel as shown.  Start with a 15 cm diameter 5Kg Flywheel.  Unbalanced weight of 0.5 Kg adjustable distance from center from 8 cm to 15 cm.  Need to contact a machine shop.  This part must be very secure.  May enclose the whole set up in a "cage" for safety reasons.

b.  Use motor and generator from the same manufacturer.  Wait and see which manufacturer responses.

The top QMOGEN from Sterling Allan is the Russian MES50

I still prefer the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.  The Unbalanced Cylinders can improve almost any QMOGEN.
1. I think you can stop now. I think this university is housing students who cannot differ reality from fiction. They are wrong.
That said, I'm not payed by the oil industry to tell you this. Overunity is simply not going to happen.

2. Take 10 marbles and place it as a weight to an unbalanced wheel. If what you say is true, we would much likely increase the number of marbles for each cycle without adding marbles into the wheel. This BS is what you tell us is true, or you believe it yourself. Really, I think you can look for alternatives like windpower, spend less money, and infinitely more enegy than from a QWERTY device.

3. I do not think you will read this reply at all, or just ignore it, and continue with your ASDFGQO device. The closest we have come to overunity is the discussions going on right here - it never stops, and is escalating :-)

Vidar

#### noonespecial

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2963 on: March 21, 2015, 12:07:06 AM »
Really, I think you can look for alternatives like windpower, spend less money, and infinitely more enegy than from a QWERTY device.

More energy than from a keyboard?

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2964 on: March 21, 2015, 12:34:50 AM »
The Companies that will greatly benefit from QMOGEN may be the Electric Car Companies.

Some of these have been contacted including Tesla Motors, Hong Kong.

Would be interesting to see their responses.

Initially, the QMOGENs will be used to recharge the batteries.  Sooner or later, some one will disclosed the secrets of the 225HP motor or the 180HP Laing Car...  The technology will not only be applied in tanks or submarines.

One non-profit organization in Hong Kong has committed to "showcase" a QMOGEN.  They may invest a few thousand dollars to do the simplified Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier replication.

The World can experience the Hong Kong Miracle.  Science prospered in Europe in the Middle Ages.  Now is it the turn of Asia???

Lawrence

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2965 on: March 21, 2015, 09:19:07 AM »
Used the diagram in reply 2957 as the start of a bidding for the many Machine shops in Hong Kong and China.  The motor and generators can be DC.  The Unbalanced Wheel or Cylinder can be an unbalanced flywheel.

The condition is that they can use the basic design to do their own product.  If they make money, they should donate 10% profit to a charity of their choice.  Even if I do not choose them as the partner, they can do it on their own.

I have done the first presentation to a local machine shop.  I shall encourage my supporters to do the same.  After the initial reactions, I shall go via email and contact the machine shops in Hong Kong and Shenzhen.  Then extend the process to the rest of China and Worldwide.

In this way, I only need to have enough money for one "build" and there will be dozens or hundreds of builds in Hong Kong, China and the World. (Even if I do not have the money, the Builds will take place.)

Divine Wine is to be shared.

Reaction from the machine shop:
"This sounds like a great project.  I cannot lose.  It does not matter about the final outcome.  If the prototype works, I can use it as my product and make much more money.  If it does not work, my time and services are paid.  I shall read the information carefully and submit a quote in the next few days.  Can you spell out publicly that I can use the information even if I do not win the bid?"

This post serves as the Public Statement.

Lawrence
see rely 2826

#### Paul-R

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2966 on: March 21, 2015, 05:14:39 PM »

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2967 on: March 21, 2015, 06:50:38 PM »
This is for regular motor usage, vacuum cleaners, egg whisks and so on.

The whole point of this part of Lawrence's work is that the system MUST have an unbalanced element in it. Not necessarily the motor itself, but another element in the chain.

Whether Lawrence's work functions is quite another matter.

Thank you for your comments.  To clarify it further, the system MUST have an oscillating element in it.  A pendulum can provide the oscillation.  A suitably unbalanced wheel is a superset of a pendulum.  It can provide the oscillation.  A suitably unbalanced cylinder is a superset of unbalanced wheels.  Thus it can also provide the oscillation.

A gravity arm can also provide the oscillation.  An oscillating spring can also provide the oscillation.  A tank circuit can provide the oscillation.  An AC circuit can provide that oscillation.

Lawrence

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2968 on: March 21, 2015, 11:26:36 PM »
One component that got my attention recently is the motor speed control.  In the simplified Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier experiments, I did not specify the motor speed control.

The DC Motor Speed controllers are much cheaper than the Variable frequency Controllers (VFC) for AC Motors

The good thing about not rushing into doing any actual prototypes is that the design can be examined by many.

Lawrence Tseung

#### Pirate88179

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2969 on: March 22, 2015, 12:59:37 AM »

Reaction from the machine shop:
"This sounds like a great project.  I cannot lose.  It does not matter about the final outcome.  If the prototype works, I can use it as my product and make much more money.  If it does not work, my time and services are paid.  I shall read the information carefully and submit a quote in the next few days.  Can you spell out publicly that I can use the information even if I do not win the bid?"

This post serves as the Public Statement.

Lawrence
see rely 2826

Reaction From The Machine Shop:

This is the most cockamamie idea we have ever heard of.  If this were to be true, we could unbalance our lathes and surface grinder spindles and get more accurate results.  We know this not to be true.  We could also loosen the belts on our machines but, that would only decrease efficiency.  While we appreciate your inquiry, we suggest that you go somewhere else as we have to make money in order to survive and working on a project like this, which has exactly 0 chance of working, is not our cup of tea.

Thank you,

Machine Shop