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### Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 2008684 times)

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2940 on: March 17, 2015, 01:10:29 PM »
The presentation in Chinese.
It's the same BS:  Misrepresenting machines that do not produce useful output as producing more useful output energy than input energy consumed.

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2941 on: March 17, 2015, 01:15:58 PM »
@Lawrence

Very Simple Experiment::

Take a Mechanical Water Pump, and attach it to an unbalanced wheel.

Data:
1) Measure the amount of water, over time, pumped to Height (x).    E = mg(x)
2) Measure the energy, over time, used to turn the wheel.

Conclusion: Compare Energy (1), to Energy (2).

Perform this experiment as many times as necessary to achieve the results you desire, and present the details of your experiment and the data. In a manner in which it can be replicated.

There is NO need to confuse this issue with theories of "lead-out" energy, or any hypothesis what so ever.
Just raw data.

Then, and Only then, can further discussion be validated.
--- I propose that up to now, all replicatable experimental results are in direct contradiction to your "lead-out energy" theory.

If you wish to change anyone's mind about this, perform the experiment and present it in its simplest form.
Your theories on this matter are quite frankly irrelevant to any empirical experimental data.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2942 on: March 17, 2015, 01:51:47 PM »
For the bright student, the teacher only needs to say once.  For the lowest grade students, I shall say one more (last) time.
That's hilarious Lawrence because you obstinately reject the fact that your machines produce no useful output.
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1.  Mass m1 is lifted only when the Centrifugal Force Fc + m2*g is higher than m1*g.
And then you summarily ignore the fact that m1 gets dropped in the same cycle, resulting in zero net work being performed on m1.
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2.  During the lifting, the amplitude of swing does not decrease.
This is false as has been pointed out to you many times.
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3.  The energy required does not come from the pendulum.  The. only other source is gravity.
The energy transferred temporarily to increased GPE in m1 during part of the cycle absolutely comes from the pendulum, which obtained all its energy from the operator.
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4.  When m1 is raised to a high h, the potential energy gained is m1*g*h.  This lead-out energy is available to do work.
A. There is no "lead-out" energy.  B. Any energy expended must be replenished by the operator.  The coins in your pocket are not "lead-out" money.  And if you spend them on anything, then they will be gone and you cannot spend them any additional times.
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5.  The pendulum bob swings higher.  The velocity gets lower  The Centrifugal Force decreases.  The Force m1*g is again greater than m2*g + Fc.  The mass m1 falls back to ground.  The original position or state is repeated.
Meaning that the energy that was temporarily transferred to increased GPE in m1 has now been transferred back to another part of the machine, and no net work was performed on m1.  No net work was available cycle to cycle to do work, despite your false statement 4.
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6.  The energy to return the pendulum system to the original position is m2*g*h.  This energy comes from the lead-out energy mentioned in 4.
You are wrong again.  There is no "lead-out energy".  Energy supplied by the external operator redistributes, and both m1 and m2 simply cycle between different potential and kinetic energy states over the course of each cycle.
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7.  The difference (m1-m2)*g*h is used to produce the loud bang noise in the original Milkovic.  In the later Milkovic, that energy is used to pump water.
All energy output be it in the form of sound or mechanical work applied to an external load is lost each cycle and the external operator must replenish it in order ot keep the machine going.
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8.  That amount of energy (m1-m2)*g*h is relatively small because the period of the pendulum is fixed.
That statement is completely non-sensical.
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9.  The obvious improvement is to replace the pendulum by an Unbalanced Wheel.  The amount of gravitational energy can be increased hundred or thousand times because of the much higher rotational speed.
An unbalanced wheel is just another form of pendulum.  Changing one for the other takes a machine that produces no useful output and converts it into a machine that produces no useful output with a different resonant frequency.
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10.  The QMOGENs get it right.  The Motor is used to increase the rotational speed.  The Centrifugal Force varies as the square of the angular velocity.  Thus increasing the rotational speed leads out much more gravitational energy.
No QMOGEN has ever been shown to work.  No QMOGEN has ever been shown to "lead-out" energy of any kind.  Some have been shown to lead-out money from gullible investors' wallets.
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11.  The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier is effectively many Unbalanced Wheels joined together to form Unbalanced Cylinders.  Thus it can lead-out much more gravitational energy.
Where may one find any official statement from Tsinghua University that they ever developed this "Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier" that you claim?  Where is there any test data showing the performance of such a device and whetehr or not it generates an output energy in surplus of the input energy?
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This is the last time I answer this lead-out energy question.  If the student does not understand, too bad.  Let them ask help from the bright ones.

Lawrence
Promises, promises Lawrence.  You keep promising that "this time" will be the last time that you tell your fairy tales.  It hasn't generally taken very long for you to change your mind and tell them again.

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2943 on: March 18, 2015, 07:58:13 PM »
@Lawrence

Very Simple Experiment::

Take a Mechanical Water Pump, and attach it to an unbalanced wheel.

Data:
1) Measure the amount of water, over time, pumped to Height (x).    E = mg(x)
2) Measure the energy, over time, used to turn the wheel.

Conclusion: Compare Energy (1), to Energy (2).

Perform this experiment as many times as necessary to achieve the results you desire, and present the details of your experiment and the data. In a manner in which it can be replicated.

There is NO need to confuse this issue with theories of "lead-out" energy, or any hypothesis what so ever.
Just raw data.

Then, and Only then, can further discussion be validated.
--- I propose that up to now, all replicatable experimental results are in direct contradiction to your "lead-out energy" theory.

If you wish to change anyone's mind about this, perform the experiment and present it in its simplest form.
Your theories on this matter are quite frankly irrelevant to any empirical experimental data.

Thank you for a good suggestion.  Keep the constructive comments coming.

I am too old and too weak to do experiments myself.  Let others shine.

The diagram shown on reply 2813 on March 3, 2015 has been seen over 200 times.  I personally discussed it with at least 10 individuals.  Some expressed an interest in actually doing such a QMOGEN.

I am more interested in the outcome of such a QMOGEN in Hong Kong and China where I can have direct access.  Others are welcome to do it in their native countries.

Divine Wine is for all to share.

Lawrence
« Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 12:53:18 AM by ltseung888 »

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2944 on: March 19, 2015, 03:35:06 AM »
Lawrence, I am sorry that you are old and feeble.   But making your legacy one of promoting nonsense and lies does not seem a good way to go.

#### memoryman

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2945 on: March 19, 2015, 03:40:47 AM »
Lawrence, given that you claim to have access to large amount of money (\$100k for a Witts contraption) why not use a part of that \$100k to have a someone validate your claims by building prototypes; I guess we both know the answer to that...

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2946 on: March 19, 2015, 11:11:46 AM »
One step closer to the simplified Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Experiment.

QMOGEN suggested parts list: The suggestions are for reference only.  It is possible to use other brands including those made in China.

1.   Electric Motor, 12V dc
HKD 233 + HKD 99 shipping

2.   Generator DC
e.g.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/TAMAGAWA-SEIKI-DC-GENERATOR-TS6080N-1-E-3-/291296489707?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43d29fb0eb
HKD 659 + HKD 166 shipping.

3.   12 V battery (2)
HKD 123 for 2 batteries

4.   12V battery charger
HKD 194

5.   Belt and pulley  (approximately 2 to 6 inches in diameter)
In sets of two each (2 inches, 4 inches, 6 inches.)
Need to check with machine shops.  Estimated price HKD 300 maximum.

6.   Unbalanced Wheel from used bicycle wheels and lead fishing weights.
Can get used front bicycle wheels from Tai Po bicycles shops with price from HKD 40 to HKD 80 each.  Lead Fishing Weights at HKD 40 each.

7.    Frame, nuts and bolts to hold the various parts.
Can get from almost any large hardware store.  Estimated price HKD .500 maximum.  Need to work out the size and shape before cutting.

Total is HKD 2,434.  Let us round it up to HKD 3,000 (USD385 approximately).  Such a material cost is acceptable to most organizations as a experiment.  It is a meaningful economic activity.

Lawrence

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2947 on: March 19, 2015, 11:28:49 AM »
If you believe this nonsense Lawrence then go buy that stuff and pay some student to put it together and test it.  Start by hooking the motor directly to the generator and measuring the net efficiency.  Then hook it up in your unbalanced configuration and watch the efficiency go down.  Of the three configurations:  a) Straight wires, b) Motor driving generator balanced, and c) Motor driving generator unbalanced, a) will always exhibit the best efficiency.

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2948 on: March 19, 2015, 07:13:18 PM »
Shall do an alibaba.com search.  Many manufacturers are in China.

Best is to develop a relationship with them.  They can easily do a QMOGEN within their test facilities.  Adding an Unbalanced flywheel should be easy for them.  Let them shine.

#### ltseung888

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2949 on: March 19, 2015, 11:29:25 PM »
Dear Electric Motor Manufacturer,

I am interested in working with you on a new technology known as QMOGEN.  QMOGEN stands for Motor and Generator Pair with self-looped energy.  The Motor first gets energy from mains and drives an unbalanced Wheel/Cylinder.  This is connected via belt and pulley to drive the Generator.  After full speed, the Generator will supply energy to the Motor.  The original Energy Source will not be needed.  The energy comes from the Lead-out energy – gravitational, magnetic or electromagnetic.

Details are in http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg442672/#msg442672

The best QMOGEN is the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.

Lawrence Tseung

#### sm0ky2

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2950 on: March 20, 2015, 12:05:30 AM »
I have a device that can lead out gravitational energy.
it's called An Anti-Hover Craft

You supply the initial power to lift it to the upper atmosphere,
after that it draws its energy from the lead-out gravitational effect and will self-power all the way to the earth
and increase in energy as it travels.
when it reaches the ground it will be traveling at terminal velocity and impact with tremendous force.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2951 on: March 20, 2015, 12:44:35 AM »
I have a device that can lead out gravitational energy.
it's called An Anti-Hover Craft

You supply the initial power to lift it to the upper atmosphere,
after that it draws its energy from the lead-out gravitational effect and will self-power all the way to the earth
and increase in energy as it travels.
when it reaches the ground it will be traveling at terminal velocity and impact with tremendous force.
Has the Revolutionary Outer atmosphere Crashing Kit been featured on PESN yet?

#### deslomeslager

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2952 on: March 20, 2015, 01:19:04 AM »
Dear Lawrence,

I happen to have a one wheel bike. I turned the right side crank 180 degrees, so both point in the same direction. Then I removed the pedals and attached a small iron weight to it. So I now have a one wheel bike (it also has a saddle of course) from which I can turn the wheel by hand. Or by rocking the bike forwards and backwards. I can get it to spin very fast that way. As soon as I stop rocking (speeding) the bike is difficult to hold with my hands, and depending on how I hold it, it may start thumping with the saddle on the ground. It looks like I am adding energy to the spinning wheel by rocking it forth and back, and I can let some of the energy get back out in another direction. I think the rotational speed will get less if energy is used to lift up the bike, thumping on the floor.

It is possibly half of an example. I assume I will need to attach the bike to something else, to use some of the energy (and to perhaps rotate the wheel by motor so we can control the speed).

I am not an engineer, and use all kind of spare parts I have or can find. I have some more bike wheels, even one with a dynamo in the hub, but I am bad in connecting all of this together. Most of the time my constructions will be to weak to support all that rocking energy. I am better of with electronics.

#### Pirate88179

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2953 on: March 20, 2015, 03:45:22 AM »
Dear Electric Motor Manufacturer,

I am interested in working with you on a new technology known as QMOGEN.  QMOGEN stands for Motor and Generator Pair with self-looped energy.  The Motor first gets energy from mains and drives an unbalanced Wheel/Cylinder.  This is connected via belt and pulley to drive the Generator.  After full speed, the Generator will supply energy to the Motor.  The original Energy Source will not be needed.  The energy comes from the Lead-out energy – gravitational, magnetic or electromagnetic.

Details are in http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg442672/#msg442672

The best QMOGEN is the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.

Lawrence Tseung

Dear Lawrence:

Thank you for your inquiry.  We have been making electric motors for over 50 years and have spent millions of dollars perfecting an efficient, balanced and dependable motor.  If we were to do as you suggest, our motors would not only be less efficient, but their life span would be greatly decreased.  Low friction and balancing are the keys to getting the highest efficiency from an electric motor design.  If we were to make our motors unbalanced, this would represent a giant step backward for us.

Sincerely,

Electric Motor Manufacturer.

#### memoryman

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##### Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2954 on: March 20, 2015, 04:12:11 AM »
Thank you for your inquiry, Mr. Tsueng.
We have been making electric motors for over 50 years and have spent millions of dollars perfecting an efficient, balanced and dependable motor.  If we were to do as you suggest, our motors would not only be less efficient, but their life span would be greatly decreased.  Low friction and balancing are the keys to getting the highest efficiency from an electric motor design.  If we were to make our motors unbalanced, this would represent a giant step backward for us. Frankly, we think that maybe such an suggestion comes from an unbalanced mind. Somewhat ironic, don't you think?