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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 2008696 times)

Offline ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2850 on: March 08, 2015, 07:34:37 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRyDWqRPik

it seems credible.

must be related to flywheel shaking phenomenon.

Another QMOGEN.  Think in terms of Varying Centrifugal Force producing the oscillation to lead-out gravitational energy.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2851 on: March 08, 2015, 07:42:24 AM »
The Ting/Tong wheels are being suppressed by the US government?  How do you know this?  Does the government like send out a newsletter on energy suppression or something?  One would think that if they really are suppressing something, you would never know about it...right?

So, I believe that this is just YOUR false conclusion.  The real facts are is that those devices never worked.  I believe that you know this and are just playing games here.

Bill

When Investors were interested in the Tong/Ting Wheels, they requested confidential arrangements.  I was involved first hand.  No more information came from the inventors.

The US and Chinese Governments both kept the 225 HP Pulse motor a State Secret.  They used their influence to stop or scare away my backers in 2006.  I was specifically told that I was suspected as a US spy by Mr. Lee Cheung Kin who has direct contact with the Chinese Military. There was an attempted car accident on me in Irvine, USA in 2010.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2852 on: March 08, 2015, 08:36:10 PM »
I have used the technique of "claims" on reply 2826.

It makes it easier to "defend" and clarify.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2853 on: March 08, 2015, 10:14:23 PM »
Repeating the same nonsense does not make it real.

A cyclical machine that lifts a weight and then subsequently lowers that weight performs no work.  A 2:1 lever does not "lead-out" gravitational energy.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2854 on: March 09, 2015, 07:50:50 PM »
The best Milkovic 2SO can do is to lead-out 2*(m1-m2)gh per complete oscillation.  The amount of energy available to do work per unit time (power) is limited.  The number of oscillation per second is governed by the length of the pendulum that cannot be changed easily.

The original Milkovic 2SO was used to lift weight and produce a loud banging noise for demonstration.  It was then used in a pump.  The efficiency and the power of the pump is limited. 

When the pendulum is replaced by the Unbalanced Wheel as in the Chan Wheel, the power delivered increased dramatically.  The maximum gravitational energy that can be lead-out per revolution is 2*m3*g*h1 where m3 is the mass of the Unbalanced Weight and h1 is the amplitude of oscillation.  The number of oscillations or revolutions per second can be increased from single digits to hundreds or thousands.

Thus the use the Unbalanced Wheel can produce power hundreds or thousands times that of the Milkovic 2SO.  The Unbalanced Cylinder as used in the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier can be dozens or hundred times that of the Chan Wheel.

I am sure that when Milkovic and team realized the above, they will refocus their effort on the Unbalanced Cylinder and produce practical devices that can produce (or lead-out gravitational energy) a thousand times more than their existing demonstration prototypes.

That will not be the end of the story.  They will use a motor to achieve the high rotational speed.  They will then use that rotation to drive a Generator.  Bingo.  They will produce another QMOGEN.

They will further investigate whether Magnetic or Electromagnetic energy can be lead-out in a similar way…

The research merges in the same direction.  Divine Wine flows…

Amen.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2855 on: March 09, 2015, 08:18:42 PM »
The reason why there are so many QMOGENs is that the centrifugal force is given by the formula:

F = m*R*w*w where w is the angular velocity.

A motor can produce very high revolution (angular velocity).  The gravitational energy lead-out can be transferred to the Generator.  An unbalanced Cylinder will help in storing the energy and increase m and/or R.

Expect more QMOGEN claims in the coming months.

It is impossible for Governments to stop the lead-out energy technology now.  I doubt the Mcgreen patent can be used to stop the tide.  It may have some effect in USA and Australia where patents have been filed and granted.  But the rest of the World???

Amen.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2856 on: March 09, 2015, 09:56:07 PM »
"They will produce another QMOGEN." and "The reason why there are so many QMOGENs' is ignoring the fact that NO  QMOGENs e3xist that actually deliver OU in any form; they are all prototypes that don't deliver.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2857 on: March 09, 2015, 10:18:20 PM »
The reason why there are so many QMOGENs is that the centrifugal force is given by the formula:

F = m*R*w*w where w is the angular velocity.

A motor can produce very high revolution (angular velocity).  The gravitational energy lead-out can be transferred to the Generator.  An unbalanced Cylinder will help in storing the energy and increase m and/or R.

Expect more QMOGEN claims in the coming months.

It is impossible for Governments to stop the lead-out energy technology now.  I doubt the Mcgreen patent can be used to stop the tide.  It may have some effect in USA and Australia where patents have been filed and granted.  But the rest of the World???

Amen.
In order to stop something it must first start.  Do let everyone know when anyone can demonstrate a working "lead-out" machine.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2858 on: March 09, 2015, 11:53:18 PM »
"They will produce another QMOGEN." and "The reason why there are so many QMOGENs' is ignoring the fact that NO  QMOGENs e3xist that actually deliver OU in any form; they are all prototypes that don't deliver.

Should I believe Tsinghua University now that I know every detail of the theory and how it can be applied to their Energy Multiplier?

Or should I listen to debunkers who could not follow the physics? Or look but cannot see the Milkovic or the Chan Wheel?

Amen.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2859 on: March 10, 2015, 12:10:37 AM »
Should I believe Tsinghua University now that I know every detail of the theory and how it can be applied to their Energy Multiplier?

Or should I listen to debunkers who could not follow the physics? Or look but cannot see the Milkovic or the Chan Wheel?

Amen.

Lawrence
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Oh, really?  Is it your claim that Tshighua University claims that they have a device that multiplies energy?  Where may one find such a declaration by the university?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2860 on: March 10, 2015, 12:13:05 AM »
No Lawrence. Of course if a youtube video is all the evidence you need, I can sell you many wonderful inventions: spontaneous teleportation, anti-gravity machines, magical lead-out gravity contraptions, potions that cure anything AND make you never age, and the list goes on.
Theory will always be trumped by conclusive demos, with other words DATA.
Again, show me ONE real demo of your lead-out gravity theory.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2861 on: March 10, 2015, 06:55:52 AM »
Ltseung is as confused as us as to how these devices work. I believe he has conceaded that a few times now, his confusion.

This is just a theory wich he stubbornly defends, I dont believe its any use reminding him, he is like the immobile rock let it be.

I stipulate and continue to theorize that, an ac superimposed shock motion on a net positive acceleration will cause energy redirection from atoms @ a specific beat.

Yes its very vague, but I am trying to fit a specific puzzle piece, and this puzzle piece theory seems to match the best my needs for answers.



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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2862 on: March 10, 2015, 09:58:26 PM »
Energy cannot be created, and yet we do not know how the big bang occoured - well, if the universe occoured from a big bang in the first place...
Now, here, on this planet, we cannot create energy or multiply it. Accept it, and live with it ;-)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2863 on: March 10, 2015, 10:09:28 PM »
Energy cannot be created, and yet we do not know how the big bang occoured - well, if the universe occoured from a big bang in the first place...
Now, here, on this planet, we cannot create energy or multiply it. Accept it, and live with it ;-)
Treat laws as laws until reliable evidence shows that they are wrong.   

Lawrence is fixated on the idea that these various contraptions "lead-out" energy from what all reliable observations says is conservative fields meaning that they are incapable of "leading-out" any energy.  Now, if there is reliable observation that this "lead-out", IE non-conservative behavior has occurred, I think that there would be great interest.  Lawrence name drops universities claiming that they have recorded such observations.  I for one would like to see who made such statements and what information is available to reproduce such observations.  In the couple of days since I have asked for that for just Tsinghua University, Lawrence has been silent.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2864 on: March 11, 2015, 09:10:15 AM »
Treat laws as laws until reliable evidence shows that they are wrong.   
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Reliable evidence shows that the Laws are correct.  But the application to the Milkovoc 2SO is wrong.


Let me use reply 2826 in terms of Laws to do more explanation.  No Laws are broken.  Just wrongly applied in all these years.

1.   Law of Conservation of Energy

I shall focus on the class of lead-out energy machines.  If these machines can lead-out or bring-in energy from the environment, the Law of Conservation of Energy will not be violated.  The correct Formula in the case of gravity is:
Einput + Egravity = Eoutput + Eloss
or
Eoutput = Einput + (Egravity - Eloss)

So long as Egravity is greater than Eloss, Eoutput will be greater Einput.
 

2.   Changing the problem – no laws are violated

The problem changes from producing the impossible perpetual motion machine to producing a possible lead-out energy machine.

3.   The Law of the Lever – Clockwise and Anti-clockwise moments

The Raymond Head (RHEAD100) video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8) showed that the Weight W1 was lifted twice with each finger push.  This was the result of the Centrifugal Force plus the weight of the pendulum producing a varying clockwise moment.  When it was greater than the anti-clockwise moment of the weight W1, the lever tilted higher on the LHS.  The weight was lifted.  When it is smaller, the lever tilted higher on the RHS - returned to original position.

Notice that the original position (state) was reproduced with the finger push.  The energy used in the finger push is much smaller than the energy required to lift the weight W1.

Anti-clockwise Moment is always constant.  Clockwise moment varies as it is the sum of the force due to m2 and the Centrifugal Force.  The vertical component of the force due to m2 varies.  The Centrifugal Force also varies.

From the energy point of view, the Output was m1gh. Some of this Output was fed back to return the pendulum bob to the original position. That energy was m2gh.  Thus there was a difference of (m1-m2)gh.  If properly configured, this value would still be much more than that supplied by the finger push.  Where did this energy come from?

4.   Law of Experimental Observation – pendulum swing does not decrease

The experimental observation was that the pendulum swing amplitude did not decrease.  Thus the excess energy was not transferred from the pendulum swing.

One scientific explanation was- energy was lead-out or brought-in from the gravitational field.

5.   Extending the Law – from Pendulum to Unbalanced Wheel

Thus the Milkovic 2SO is a lead-out gravitational energy device.  The Chan Wheel is a superset of Milkovic. I have the Chan Wheel in Taipo, Hong Kong.  I can claim to have a working lead-out energy device in my possession...
If the Unbalanced Chan Wheel can bring-in gravitational energy, the Unbalanced Cylinder Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier can do better. 

The 57 QMOGENs compiled by Sterling Allan are all theoretically possible...

Lawrence
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