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sm0ky2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2835 on: March 07, 2015, 07:09:11 AM »

I posted the video because it shows three different configurations of unbalanced wheels and the different types
of vibrations/shaking they can produce on the frame, and I was also wondering if in general there is less vibration and shaking
from an unbalanced wheel at higher RPMs, or if it is just that as long as you are above or below the RPM of the resonance
point of the entire system that there will be a lot less shaking and vibration. Maybe there is someone around who has
a good knowledge of mechanical systems that knows the answer.


While resonant theory, and equations can describe expected results, in Practice: the most determining factor is going to be the system's tolerances.
i.e.: how rigid the framework is, how securely its mounted to the ground or working platform, etc.
if its allowed to shake and vibrate, than such action is to be expected from an imbalanced rotating mass.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2836 on: March 07, 2015, 06:43:42 PM »
Design of the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier Prototype.

I shall now focus on the design of the pulley and belt system.  The following points are considered.

1. A pulley and belt system can change the rotational speed easily.  When rotational speed increases, the transmitted torque will decrease according to traditional mechanics without lead-out energy.

2. With the Unbalanced Cylinder in place, the torque on the first axle (motor and cylinder) can be increased many times.  The transmission to the second axle (generator) can have both increase in torque and rotational speed.  The lead-out gravitational energy is transmitted.

3. The pulley and belt system can be loose when starting up.  This will put less stress on the motor.  The motor does not need to drive the generator initially.  Its energy is used to increase the speed of the Unbalanced Cylinder, increase its stored energy  and lead-out gravitational energy.  When appropriate rotational speed is reached, the torque and rotational speed is transmitted to the second axle.  The belt can be tightened.  This effectively is a clutch function.

The Chas Campbell device uses a belt tightening technique.  We may use a similar technique in the first prototype.  This can be accomplished via a distance separation mechanism between the first and second axle.

Some QMOGENs do not have the pulley and belt system.  Some do not have a visible flywheel or Unbalanced Cylinder system. Can the efficiency of such systems be increased?

The Milkovic 2SO can be improved by replacing the pendulum with an Unbalanced Wheel...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2837 on: March 07, 2015, 06:56:17 PM »
"The transmission to the second axle (generator) can have both increase in torque and rotational speed." Wrong, when considering a complete cycle, there is NO net gain.
please once and for ever demonstrate this concept of "lead-out gravitational energy".

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2838 on: March 07, 2015, 07:40:27 PM »
http://pesn.com/2010/07/14/9501672_Terawatt_Research_LLC_defies_free_energy_stereotypes/

The motor on the top right turns the shaft connected to the red wheel, which is surrounded by impregnated magnets which cause the blue wheel on the left to spin, turning the generator on the upper left, which is capable of oscillating load fluctuations (patented).  At certain frequencies, the output is several times greater than the input.

The UL data from noonespecial is reproduced.  Energy from the second axle is more than that from the first axle.  I am sure that Terawatt Research can improve their efficiency with an Unbalanced Cylinder connected at first axle.

Lawrence
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2839 on: March 07, 2015, 07:58:35 PM »
http://pesn.com/2010/07/14/9501672_Terawatt_Research_LLC_defies_free_energy_stereotypes/

The motor on the top right turns the shaft connected to the red wheel, which is surrounded by impregnated magnets which cause the blue wheel on the left to spin, turning the generator on the upper left, which is capable of oscillating load fluctuations (patented).  At certain frequencies, the output is several times greater than the input.

The UL data from noonespecial is reproduced.  Energy from the second axle is more than that from the first axle.  I am sure that Terawatt Research can improve their efficiency with an Unbalanced Cylinder connected at first axle.

Lawrence
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Five years later Terawatt Research is moribund.

sm0ky2

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2840 on: March 07, 2015, 09:48:02 PM »
experimental data taken by outside parties, when invited to examine the TR assembly, indicated that TR was misreporting their data.

a synapsis of the device stated a delay in rotational velocity of the second (larger blue) wheel, the energy required to get this up to speed was not accounted for. The flywheel effect built up stored rotational energy from the input, before the generator was up to speed and producing power.

True input was much greater than the output of this device.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2841 on: March 07, 2015, 11:16:49 PM »
experimental data taken by outside parties, when invited to examine the TR assembly, indicated that TR was misreporting their data.

TR didn't report the data, UL and TUV Rhineland did.

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a synapsis of the device stated a delay in rotational velocity of the second (larger blue) wheel, the energy required to get this up to speed was not accounted for. The flywheel effect built up stored rotational energy from the input, before the generator was up to speed and producing power.

True input was much greater than the output of this device.

Who were these alleged 'outside parties'? How are they MORE credible than UL and TUV Rhineland? Why would UL and TUV ruin their sterling reputation by publishing these test result if they are false?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2842 on: March 07, 2015, 11:34:31 PM »
One has to be careful measuring any system that has a lot of vibration and particularly resonance in it.  The measuring intstruments themselves and how they are mounted are subject to resonances and can easily misreport.  In an energy generator application total energy in and total energy out over some significant time interval is what we would be interested in.  One way to obtain both reliably is to insert low-loss low pass filters at both the input and the output.  The black box can shake, rattle, and roll all it wants, but very little of that vibration will transfer to the instruments.  The instruments will see a steady torque load / source, and a steady rotational speed from which power in and power out can be reliably determined. 

TWR had two problems:  1) Their claims had no basis in established science.  2) The TUV tests did not include evaluation of the test system to determine its susceptibility to errors under the test conditions applied.  The fact that five years later they are moribund speaks to their inability to convince investors that they had what they claimed.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2843 on: March 07, 2015, 11:51:45 PM »
So I guess we are being asked to believe that UL and TUV had absolutely no clue on how to properly test this device but tested it anyway and published the findings anyway..... :)

Who are these alleged outside parties that tested this and found it lacking? Just curious....

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2844 on: March 08, 2015, 12:32:08 AM »
One has to be careful measuring any system that has a lot of vibration and particularly resonance in it.  The measuring intstruments themselves and how they are mounted are subject to resonances and can easily misreport.  In an energy generator application total energy in and total energy out over some significant time interval is what we would be interested in.  One way to obtain both reliably is to insert low-loss low pass filters at both the input and the output.  The black box can shake, rattle, and roll all it wants, but very little of that vibration will transfer to the instruments.  The instruments will see a steady torque load / source, and a steady rotational speed from which power in and power out can be reliably determined. 

TWR had two problems:  1) Their claims had no basis in established science.  2) The TUV tests did not include evaluation of the test system to determine its susceptibility to errors under the test conditions applied.  The fact that five years later they are moribund speaks to their inability to convince investors that they had what they claimed.

The other way, and according to Lawrence this should be really easy, is to have it run itself...which of course, it can not do.  "Creating" all of that "extra" energy on the output vs. the input should make this a simple task...but...for some reason, they have not done that.

I have to ask....why?

I think we know why.

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2845 on: March 08, 2015, 12:39:40 AM »
The other way, and according to Lawrence this should be really easy, is to have it run itself...which of course, it can not do.  "Creating" all of that "extra" energy on the output vs. the input should make this a simple task...but...for some reason, they have not done that.

I have to ask....why?

I think we know why.

Bill
By now, so do they, which is no doubt why their web site is moribund, and they have pulled what little technical information that they used to publish.

ltseung888

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2846 on: March 08, 2015, 01:04:37 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpxOV-NrVGM
Another self looped device.  Applied to a Car.

Terawatt Research may be undergoing the same fate as many other inventions.  Investors demand confidentiality - Especially those who come in later with profit motive in mind.  (or suppressed by the US Government like the 225 HP motor?)

I have seen it with the Tong and Ting Wheels. 

Governments can easily suppress or advance the technology.  Internet was started by the US Department of Defense.  A Government is likely to do the advancing of the lead-out energy technology... Which one???  Taiwan, Singapore, Israel, India, Russia, Korea or Japan...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2847 on: March 08, 2015, 01:10:02 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpxOV-NrVGM
Another self looped device.  Applied to a Car.

Terawatt Research may be undergoing the same fate as many other inventions.  Investors demand confidentiality - Especially those who come in later with profit motive in mind.  (or suppressed by the US Government like the 225 HP motor?)

I have seen it with the Tong and Ting Wheels. 

Governments can easily suppress or advance the technology.  Internet was started by the US Department of Defense.  A Government is likely to do the advancing of the lead-out energy technology... Which one???  Taiwan, Singapore, Israel, India, Russia, Korea or Japan...

Divine Wine is for all to share.

The Ting/Tong wheels are being suppressed by the US government?  How do you know this?  Does the government like send out a newsletter on energy suppression or something?  One would think that if they really are suppressing something, you would never know about it...right?

So, I believe that this is just YOUR false conclusion.  The real facts are is that those devices never worked.  I believe that you know this and are just playing games here.

Bill

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2848 on: March 08, 2015, 02:10:03 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpxOV-NrVGM
Another self looped device.  Applied to a Car.

Terawatt Research may be undergoing the same fate as many other inventions.
They are in all probability suffering the same fate as other claimed inventions that don't work:  capital death.
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  Investors demand confidentiality - Especially those who come in later with profit motive in mind.
So what?  It's the fact that they have gone moribund that strongly suggests that they cannot attract investors.
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  (or suppressed by the US Government like the 225 HP motor?)
Where is your evidence for this suppression you claim?  Oh that's right, like most of your claims you don't have any.  Suppression is your weak excuse for not having any evidence.
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I have seen it with the Tong and Ting Wheels. 
Suppression?  Did you have your suppression cam going at the time?  Again:  Where is your evidence.  Oops!
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Governments can easily suppress or advance the technology.  Internet was started by the US Department of Defense.  A Government is likely to do the advancing of the lead-out energy technology... Which one???  Taiwan, Singapore, Israel, India, Russia, Korea or Japan...
First there must be a technology to advance.  You have failed to show any evidence of these "lead-out" technologies that you claim.
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2849 on: March 08, 2015, 05:48:48 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRyDWqRPik

it seems credible.

must be related to flywheel shaking phenomenon.