Itseung888 where is the proof of this???
"The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier has been used since 1996.  The Output Energy is 30 times the Input.  The difference comes from the unbalanced cylinders leading-out gravitational energy via appropriate rotational speed."

Vidar said "Overunity will not happen any time soon."
I disagree with you Vidar because I have seen an OU device but it does not have enough
extra to selfreplicate. It turns a permanent magnet attraction on and off
similar to Butch Lafonte things. But it takes about 200-300% extra to do the mechanical switching on and off to get self replication.

Norman

The Milkovic 2SO and the Chan Wheel are already lead-out gravitational energy devices.

The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier has been used since 1996.  The Output Energy is 30 times the Input.  The difference comes from the unbalanced cylinders leading-out gravitational energy via appropriate rotational speed.

Build yourself a Chan Wheel and confirm that only an Unbalanced Wheel can lead-out gravitational energy...

Sorry, but I do not believe in such stories. Gravitational energy CAN be found in powerplants using waterfalls. However, it is the sun doing all the work. Only then you can spend little energy to harvest multiple times the energy from the sun.


Using gravity in a closed loop to provide an enery output that is many times the energy input, that doesn't involve the sun (Our ultimate energy source), does not exist.


Vidar



Vidar

Itseung888 where is the proof of this???
"The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier has been used since 1996.  The Output Energy is 30 times the Input.  The difference comes from the unbalanced cylinders leading-out gravitational energy via appropriate rotational speed."



Norman

See reply 2584.

The scientific question.

A system is in State A.  It can do work or transfer some of its energy to the surrounding environmnt.  Assume that the work done is Z.  The system is now in State B.

In an ideal situation, Z amount of energy must be supplied to bring the system from State B back to State A.

Is it possible to supply X units of energy from the user and bring-in Y units of energy from the surrounding environment so that X+Y is equal to Z?  The system will then be returned from State B to State A.

Conversation with Mr. Peter Chan - the Engineer who built the Chan Wheel.


Chan: "My son talked with his professor.  His professor did not think the project would work.  However, my son expressed interest to participate after his studies."


Tseung: "We expect the classical rejection.  This is just another confirmation."


Chan: "Can we do a small scale experiment?  Most mechanical systems can be scaled up or down."


Tseung: "For static systems, your statement is true.  However, the lead-out energy systems use dynamic (more exactly, centrifugal) force that increases with the square of the angular velocity.  The scaling down may not work."


Chan: "Have you approached the academics?"


Tseung: "I talked to Mr. Lee Cheung Kin over the holidays.  He said that the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier was a Sate Secret 10 years ago.  It might still be a State Secret today.  However, our kindergarten level work might be "tolerated" by the authorities."


Chan: "We can do other experiments that we enjoy.  We just do not build products."


Tseung: "Let others shine.  I have passed the one page handout to other groups such as Thailand, India, Philippines etc.

There are already over 40 motor-generator projects as reported by Sterling Allan.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Motor-Generator_Self-Looped_with_Usable_Energy_Left_Over

The Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier need not be a State Secret anymore.

Divine Guidance?

Doing another motor-generator project is not as useful as helping one or more to become "scientifically legitimate".  That means using the Lead-out Energy Theory to help them.

Tsinghua University is special.  It already knows the Lead-out Energy Theory.  It has a working prototype.  It is holding back the information because the information may be State Secret.

Which one should I pick?  Taiwan Maglev?

*** Sterling Allan compiled the list and was in contact with many of them.  Some may be looking for funding.  I already have contacts with Venture Capitalists who are impressed with the Lead-out Energy Presentation.  It is a matter of matching.

Since I am not looking for any financial gain or any participation role, the task is easy.  Introduce them to each other via the Internet.  The World will have lead-out energy products...

I am sure that many inventors with working prototypes will be glad to improve the performance with Unbalanced Cylinders in addition to getting funding.  I do not have to do any experiments and I do not need to squeeze money out from my retirement pension.  Win-win.

Mystery of the QMOGEN solved.

I shall make this post self-contained so that the new comer does not need to read dozens of posts. 

QMOGEN stands for Motor-Generator Pair with excess energy.  These systems can self-run after starting.

The oldest QMOGEN that got my attention was in 2006 at Tsinghua University.  The story was an old inventor used such a device to save electricity at his factory.  He was initially accused by the local electricity company as “stealing” electricity.  He got Tsinghua University to prove his innocence.  His operation started in 1996.

A diagram of that device can be seen on reply 2584 of this thread.  It has three cylinders.  I mentioned that the cylinders were unbalanced in 2006 but I did not have the strong conviction compared with today.

My strong conviction came after re-examining the Milkovic 2SO in September, 2014.  See rely 2179.  I looked but did not see the Milkovic 2SO secret for almost 10 years.  With Divine Guidance, I see that the Milkovic 2SO uses the varying centrifugal force to change the clockwise moment on the pendulum side of the lever.  Thus the clockwise moment can be greater or less than the anti-clockwise moment of the mass m1.  m1 can be lifted.  However, the amplitude of swing of the pendulum does not decrease. 

The energy required to lift m1 is (m1gh).  The energy required to return the system to the initial state is m2gh.  (m2 is the mass of the pendulum bob)  In the Milkovic 2SO, m2 can be much less than m1. 

The old scientific belief was that when an object falls a height h, it loses potential energy mgh.  The same amount of energy must be supplied to get it back to the same height.  The Milkovic 2SO violated this belief.

The old scientific belief did not consider the dynamic motion due to the varying centrifugal force effect.  Once that effect is taken into account, the swinging pendulum with smaller mass m2 can indeed lift m1.  The LHS energy m2gh can be less than m1gh.  The difference in energy is “contributed” by Gravity.  This is the essence of the Lead-out Energy Theory.  It is the jumping or oscillating effect.

I then got Mr. Peter Chan to build the Chan Wheel.  For small angle movements, the Chan Wheel is the same as the Milkovic 2SO.  However, it can rotate much faster.  The biggest achievement of the Chan Wheel is the clear demonstration that the balanced wheel cannot lift m1 whereas the Unbalanced Wheel can easily lift m1.  In other words, the Unbalanced Wheel can lead-out gravitational energy.  (The balanced wheel cannot!)

Once the Physics is clear, it is automatic to re-examine existing devices.  The Chalkalis devices use gravity arms which are the equivalent of the Unbalanced Wheels.  The William Skinner device used centrifugal force.  The Chas Campbell device is a QMOGEN with loose belt to provide the “unbalancing”.  The Wang and Tong Wheels put the unbalancing inside the Wheel.  The Centrifugal Force varies as the square of the angular velocity.  This pointed to the design requirement of faster rotation.

It will not take long for any Physicist to project the scenario from Unbalanced Wheels to Unbalanced Cylinders.  Thus my conviction that the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier is real and is probably the best QMOGEN so far. I am certain the Cylinders are unbalanced.

I believe all the QMOGENs work on the same scientific principle.  Many of the unbalancing comes from unintended “bad” machining.  It is very difficult to produce a perfectly balanced wheel.  Any imperfection will result in unbalancing.  High speed rotation will magnify this unbalancing effect.

There is a possible added advantage of leading-out magnetic or electromagnetic energy.  This will be the subject of another post.

Sterling Allan will be happy that his work in compiling the many QMOGENs is worthwhile.  There is no need for me to build another one in Hong Kong.

Divine Wine is for all to share.  QMOGEN is for many to shine.

The debate on Overunity is over. The winners are the believers.

I bet you your retirement savings that you are wrong.