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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1659183 times)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2205 on: September 20, 2014, 09:00:06 PM »
How much gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in in the Raymond Head implementation of the Milkovic 2SO?
 
The answer lies in the actual design and tuning.  In conventional systems, Output is strongly dependent on Input.  In Lead-out Energy Machines, Output is also dependent on how much energy is lead-out or brought-in.
 
In the discussed 2SO, the Output Energy is shown by the raised height of W1.  The Output energy is used to produce the loud sound – useful in a demonstration device.  That Output Energy can be treated in the form of potential energy (W1 x g x h).  For maximum Output, we should have the largest W1 and the largest h.  Raymond Head achieved this via a pendulum with a long string.  If he reduced W1, W1 would still be lifted to the same height.  The demonstrated Output would be less.
 
The height lifted is likely to be totally dependent on L1.  Thus some tuning in adjusting the weight to get maximum Output is needed.  He could have increased L1 and L2 proportionally to get a higher h. In other words, he could have doubled L1 and L2 without changing the relative moments.  However, the resultant h will be higher than the 1-1.5 inches (more than 2 inches) - making the demonstration even more impressive.
Can it be this simple in leading out more gravitational energy?
 
The Input Energy is Pd (Push force x displacement).  The bring-in gravitational energy is a variable.  Thus the Output Energy is also variable.  The claim that Output Energy can be 12 times Input Energy may be possible if the difference in energy (Output - Input) were Lead-out Energy.
 
Most of the desktop replications are not likely to achieve such a high COP because of the low centripetal or centrifugal force.
 
One obvious suggestion is to increase the centrifugal force via higher rotational speeds.  The pendulum can be replaced by an unbalanced wheel.  This will be the subject of another post.
 
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« Last Edit: September 21, 2014, 12:35:36 AM by ltseung888 »

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2206 on: September 21, 2014, 01:40:03 AM »
Loopback mechanism for the Milkovic 2SO should be designed after the maximum gravitational energy has been brought-in.
 
This means large systems.  Both the pendulum length, the lever arms should be long.  W1 should be greater than W2.  L1 should be greater than L2.
 
Are the replicators here and elsewhere aware of such design principles?  I personally would treat any desktop loopback device as a waste of time...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2207 on: September 21, 2014, 10:42:17 AM »
Just finished a long lunch meeting with old friends from the Hong Kong Invention Club.

Discussed the Milkovic 2SO implemented by Raymond Head.

One comment: "We saw this years ago.  You displayed much mathematics afterwards.  If you had given the explanation as you have done, we would have understood and supported you."

Tseung: "I looked and did not see at that time.  How much do you think we need to spend to reproduce the Raymond Head prototype?"

Inventor: "Depends on whom you ask to do the implementation.  The material cost may be around HK$10,000.  If I were to build it and guarantee similar results, the price is likely to be HK$100,000."
Tseung: "A University source quoted HK$350,000.  I suppose the consulting fees of the Professors are substantial.  A sweat engineering shop in China may ask for HK$50,000."

Inventor: "It is the follow-up that matters.  The Tong Wheel that could generate 1 HP is seeking investors.  It is self-looped and has been running for some time.  Other similar prototypes are available for demonstration in Hong Kong.  There is no need to get permission from the Chinese Government to show the 225 HP pulse motor."
« Last Edit: September 21, 2014, 05:43:26 PM by ltseung888 »

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2208 on: September 21, 2014, 06:30:42 PM »
Comparing Pendulum and Unbalanced Wheel.
 
If Pendulum in 2SO fashion can bring-in gravitational energy, Unbalanced Wheel will be able to do the same.  For swing angle < 90 degrees, the mathematics is identical.
 
Possible variations:
1. Swing angle greater than 90 degrees.
2. Stronger pulse can achieve higher rotational veocity and hence greater centrifugal force.
3. Period of oscillation no longer solely depends on Pendulum length.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2209 on: September 21, 2014, 08:16:11 PM »
 An unbalanced wheel rotating at non-uniform speeds can lead-out gravitational energy.
 
The gravitational energy is brought-in via a lever mechanism.
   
If another rotational mechanism is at the L1 end, will this mechanism have more energy than that to rotate the unbalanced wheel?

 
Can a bright engineer re-design the Bessler Wheel now?
   
Are the Energy Multiplier Machines at Tsinghua University and the device by the Blind Peru Scientist, F. M. Chalkalis, scientific realities?
   
What mechanisms (other than lever) can be used to do similar lead-out gravitational energy work?
 
 
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2210 on: September 21, 2014, 11:42:16 PM »
Is it possible that the patent offices around the world have classified many legitimate lead-out energy machines as impossible perpetual motiom machines and rejected them?
Our Lee-Tseung PCT application was rejected on such grounds.  (The Milkovic 2SO was likely to be rejected if Milkovic claimed that it was an overunity machine.)
What are the legal consequences if the once rejected patents are found to be legitimate?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2211 on: September 22, 2014, 01:01:23 PM »
 Let me be bold and design the loopback mechanism for a 2SO with an unbalanced wheel.
 
Referring to the diagram in reply 2210, there are a few things to note:
1.    If the weight W2 were initially at position 1, very little force and energy is needed to start it rotating.
2.    If there were no frictional loss etc, the unbalanced wheel will complete a full revolution and be back at position 1.
3.    The centrifugal force will be even stronger than the pendulum with a large angle.  More gravitational energy can be lead-out.
4.    The W1 side can be a crankshaft to get to a rotational motion.  This rotational motion is mainly driven or maintained by the lead-out gravitational energy.
5.    The rotational energy of the unbalanced wheel is hardly affected as none if any is extracted or transferred to rotate the crankshaft.
6.    A Belt or Chain mechanism can be used to feed energy from the rotation in 4 back to rotate the unbalanced wheel.
7.    If needed, a flywheel can be introduced to “store” the lead-out gravitational energy.
8.    If properly designed, there should be extra energy to light some light bulbs and/or turn a fan. 
9.    The unbalanced wheel needs very little energy to maintain its rotation but the high centrifugal force will be generated.
10.                       Once started, the system will run forever but it is NOT the impossible perpetual motion machine.  It is a great example of the Lead-out energy machine.
11.                       We can lead-out gravitational energy to use continuously.  The Physics and Mathematics support it.  It is standard, conventional Physics obeying every known Law.  It is just that all the scientists looked at it but could not see it.
 
I have a 99% confidence factor that such a loopback mechanism will work.  Who is willing to do the experiment (and claim the overunity prize)?  Paying HK$350,000 to have this done at one of the Universities in Hong Kong is worth it.  (The Hong Kong and Chinese Governments are likely to pour in billions once this is demonstrated.)
 
You are welcome to inform your Governments. Lead-out or Bring-in Energy is respectable.
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2212 on: September 22, 2014, 11:14:39 PM »
Bessler's Wheel secret solved?
 
It took three Centuries.  People looked but could not see - including thousands of top scientists?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2213 on: September 22, 2014, 11:52:52 PM »
It won't work.(belt from w3 to L2) You need another linkage to go from the pivot intersection of L1/L2 to run eccentric weight.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2214 on: September 23, 2014, 02:36:09 AM »
It won't work.(belt from w3 to L2) You need another linkage to go from the pivot intersection of L1/L2 to run eccentric weight.

What happens if belt is somewhat loose?  How about using bicycle type chains?  Only a tiny torque is needed to keep the unbalanced wheel rotating...  The belt can transfer some energy from W3 to the axle of the unbalanced wheel.  Please post your improved design.
 
I am a physicist but not an engineer.  I cannot build things.  That is probably the Divine Will - let multiple people or groups shine.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2215 on: September 23, 2014, 12:13:29 PM »
Used the attached presentation at Hong Kong Invention Club and at Senior Center with success.
 
All participants found the concept easy to understand.
 
"How difficult is it to understand combining a Swing and a Seesaw that we see in the playground every day?"
 
Divine Revalation?
 
*** One side track:  Hong Kong Government is consulting the Public on Retirement Pension for all Citizens. 
The Government is worried whether it can afford the expenses in the long run.
My response: If Hong Kong can produce infinite amount of clean energy,
will the problem be solved?
 
  Hong Kong Government can own its Central Bank. 
Hong Kong Government can invest in Industries with infinite energy. 
Hong Kong Government can take advantage of the trillions of "rich man shelter money" flowing in.
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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« Reply #2217 on: September 23, 2014, 08:29:30 PM »
Improve performance of the Tseung version of "Bessler Wheel" with magnets 1.
 
Attached is one possible improvement via the use of magnets.  In this case, a permanent magnet is used to attract the iron Weight W2.  The rest of the structure can be aluminium or other material.  The gravitational constant g is effectively increased.
 
More gravitational energy will be lead-out or brought-in.
The weak Permanent Magnet increases g but is not strong enough to prevent unbalanced wheel rotation.
 
(More improvements leading to a Pulse Motor will be gradually shown.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor is a scientific certainty.  What will the USA and Chinese Military do?)
 
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2218 on: September 23, 2014, 11:43:48 PM »
Getting closer to the Pulse Motor.  See attached diagram.
Note:
1. There is no need for the belt or chain feedback mechanism any more.
2.  The rotating Wheel W3 will drive the Generator G to get electricity.
3.  There will be some storage mechanisms and electronics to produce the best pulse to the electromagnet.
4.  That pulse increases the clockwise moment as well as providing energy to rotate the unbalanced wheel.  Feedback is automatic.

This primitive pulsing can be improved and implemented by the many talented members in this forum.  I only outine the concept here.
 
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« Reply #2219 on: September 24, 2014, 01:09:22 AM »
I believe that the members here should understand that we can indeed lead-out gravitational energy with the above posts.
 
I would like to focus on the increased g with the magnetic additions.  The device as shown in reply 2220 will lose all the gravitational energy if the system were to be placed horizontally.  However, those due to magnetism will still be available.
 
What is magnetic energy?  My latest understanding is that it is related to the Electron Cloud Distribution of the components.  Drawing out magnetic energy is equivalent to drawing out Electron Cloud Energy.  Chemical Energy is a form of Electron Clould Energy.  Different Compounds have different Electron Cloud Energies.  When Chemical Reactions take place, the Distribution of such Electron Clouds will be different.  Thus Chemical Energy is released.  All our fossil fuel burning occurs in this fashion.
 
If magnetic energy is just another form of Electron Cloud Distribution, leading-out such energy does not violate any Laws of Physics or Chemistry.  The Electron Clouds can exchange electromagnetic energies with other components and the environment.
 
So far, we have outlined a Lead-out Energy device based on the unbalanced wheel with a lever system to Lead-out both gravitational and magnetic energy that can be self looped.  Such a device, after starting, can keep leading-out energy, do work and feed itself.  It can run forever and do useful work at the same time.  However, it is NOT the impossible perpetual motion machine.  It is the Lee-Tseung Lead-out energy machine.
 
I shall pause for this concept to sink in before more Divine Revelations.

 

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