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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1659176 times)

Offline PaoloGigli

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2145 on: February 04, 2014, 03:08:29 PM »
Paolo here simulation pendulum and nonlinear study.
pendulum lab
http://www.elmer.unibas.ch/pendulum/lab.htm

http://www.elmer.unibas.ch/pendulum/parres.htm

Well, nice analytic solution for moving center of gravity...

Thank you, wings :)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2146 on: February 05, 2014, 12:14:10 AM »
@ Merg,
 I like all your updates and videos and docs. Thanks for all your work.
@ paoligigli,
 You obviously haven't built one of these devices yet and I will tell you , that while milcovics theories seem simple, there is much more to it when you start building. Connecting a "load" to the lever is not as simple as it seems. It's easy to draw up ideas and tell people that they are not doing it right, until you try it yourself.
 Water pumping directly from the lever, you will see immediantly that if you don't have a perfectly designed system you will never get this to work right. Your fluid dynamics would have to be perfect to get the machine in resonance.
 From what I see, you need to use a flywheel/spring or a pneumatic buffer to connect the load.(expansion tank?) to in a sense "disconnect"  the load from the lever.
 I feel your frustration, but I am not some milkovic groupie. I have built some of these models, and if I didn't think there was something to it, I would have given up a while ago.
 Also on your links on "pumping a swing"----been there--- done that.
 Good stuff, but why don't you start really experimenting yourself and you will see it's not as easy as just telling people there not doing the job.
 Cheers all,
 greg
 


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2147 on: February 05, 2014, 05:26:50 AM »
@ Merg,
 I like all your updates and videos and docs. Thanks for all your work.
@ paoligigli,
 You obviously haven't built one of these devices yet and I will tell you , that while milcovics theories seem simple, there is much more to it when you start building. Connecting a "load" to the lever is not as simple as it seems. It's easy to draw up ideas and tell people that they are not doing it right, until you try it yourself.
 Water pumping directly from the lever, you will see immediantly that if you don't have a perfectly designed system you will never get this to work right. Your fluid dynamics would have to be perfect to get the machine in resonance.
 From what I see, you need to use a flywheel/spring or a pneumatic buffer to connect the load.(expansion tank?) to in a sense "disconnect"  the load from the lever.
 I feel your frustration, but I am not some milkovic groupie. I have built some of these models, and if I didn't think there was something to it, I would have given up a while ago.
 Also on your links on "pumping a swing"----been there--- done that.
 Good stuff, but why don't you start really experimenting yourself and you will see it's not as easy as just telling people there not doing the job.
 Cheers all,
 greg

Hello greg,

Sorry greg, I do not have any reason to be frustrated :)
It is obvious that members of free energy community are frustrated because there are so many useless TSMO contraptions. I am an engineer and before building any kind of machine I use to follow some procedures: to see what others did and does (forums, blogs, sights, patents, scientific papers, Ms.C and Ph.D papers etc.), to study the problems others has, find solutions for problems of interest, find flaws or omissions in basic principles and, at last, make decisions of my own construction.

Most important part of some experiment is measuring and insight in delivered data. Second important part is fast change of vital parameters of the machine. Before this important parts is crucial detail. You have to know all principles of physics to be able to catch "something" if this "something" really exist. Many members of free energy community is not "armed" enough to fight with "something".

This is a main reason why i have proposed construction with all measurements needed for quality decision making. This construction of TSMO gives opportunity for easy changing of mechanical parameters. Measurement and control are designed to be cheap and easily available. Insight in data is not pure mathematical but rather visual and most understandable with opportunity to compare with theoretical data. Further, I have proposed pure vertical movement of pendulum and pump pivot (James Watt) in order to exclude "peculiar" movement of lever. What missing? Mechanism for automatic push of pendulum? Yes, but this will come when we learn, from measurement, how to do that in most efficient way.

This is proposals of superb machine for experimenting, getting real data and as much as possible from TSMO. Enough from me :)

Well, it is clear to me that neither Milkovic group nor many of free energy community members does not know how to measure input energy of TSMO. This is a main reason for overunity (???) reports. TSMO is NOT capable of overunity and overall efficiency is small. I have wrote about this earlier.

I have another proposal. We need only one such machine for experimenting and data collection. Lets do it together. I saw good construction with automatic push on youtube. This gentlemen is capable to do it and he already did it (according to other youtube videos). My construction is more versatile and gave more opportunity for parameter changing.
Let us unite our forces and make a real scientific project, on paper with all details, software writing and at the end, real machine. If we invest small amount of money (each of us) for parts and volunteer work we could have respectable machine and respectable data. Let start with small group of us dedicated to such project.
It will be FUN :)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2147 on: February 05, 2014, 05:26:50 AM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2148 on: February 07, 2014, 04:15:13 AM »
I have another proposal. We need only one such machine for experimenting and data collection. Lets do it together. I saw good construction with automatic push on youtube. This gentlemen is capable to do it and he already did it (according to other youtube videos). My construction is more versatile and gave more opportunity for parameter changing.
Let us unite our forces and make a real scientific project, on paper with all details, software writing and at the end, real machine. If we invest small amount of money (each of us) for parts and volunteer work we could have respectable machine and respectable data. Let start with small group of us dedicated to such project.
It will be FUN :)

Nobody likes sharing? You like to make your beasts deep in a dungeon far away from curious eyes? OK  :)

Things for free are here http://www.overunity.com/14225/two-stage-mechanical-oscillator-measurement-framework  8)

Paolo

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2149 on: February 07, 2014, 09:56:41 AM »
When I get my new model together I wil try to do some of the measurements you propose. The weather is slowing me down a little, and I don't have money to buy expensive components. It has taken me well over a year to get all the stuff I have now. I have to take my time building, beause my last model did not work well from a poorly built frame. I will post progress, but do not expect to have it ready forr several weeks.
 Greg

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2149 on: February 07, 2014, 09:56:41 AM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2150 on: February 07, 2014, 12:40:56 PM »
When I get my new model together I wil try to do some of the measurements you propose. The weather is slowing me down a little, and I don't have money to buy expensive components. It has taken me well over a year to get all the stuff I have now. I have to take my time building, beause my last model did not work well from a poorly built frame. I will post progress, but do not expect to have it ready forr several weeks.
 Greg

Yes, Greg. Lack of money and time could be a great problems in this kind of endeavor.

Although I did not intend to make TSMO, this morning I decided to do it. This will be a table top TSMO from extruded aluminium profiles and plastic. It will be more as educational tool capable to give all information as any bigger TSMO due to powerful and sophisticated measuring equipment planed to use. The TSMO size will allow use of a cheaper force sensors chopped from Chinese kitchen scales, cheaper step motors, bearings, better and smaller trapezoidal tread for adjustment of lever ratio and length of pendulum rod. Scaling of such TSMO to bigger size will not be a problem.

I decided to make TSMO optimized for driving hand water pump. This means that TSMO should have full stroke and defined capacity within TSMO capabilities. Calculation of all parameters at suction and outlet of a pump (made of transparent plastic tubes) will define frequency of pendulum swing, the weight of the pendulum bob and control strategy as well.

I am also in lack of money and time but I have planed the task that is easier to do  8)
Development of a measurement framework is my main task as a contribution to free energy community.

Paolo

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2151 on: February 28, 2014, 04:35:02 PM »
It would be more important to look at those positive things that were done completely:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYXdLt0uxiE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n7mvpLpP5A

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2151 on: February 28, 2014, 04:35:02 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2152 on: February 28, 2014, 09:52:36 PM »
I like the water pump vid Mayo. I never really got a chance to finish my tsmo with diapraghm pump but I think it would work even better then this type of pump.
 Greg

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2153 on: March 11, 2014, 12:30:51 AM »
It would be more important to look at those positive things that were done completely:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYXdLt0uxiE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n7mvpLpP5A

In the first video is a serious omission in representing the facts. Two stage pendulum oscillator is not a rigid system. This means that reference point for pendulum bob is not the lever pivot but pendulum pivot, and second, it is dynamical system, meaning that you could not use simple static proportion. Pendulum bob do not have any weight at maximum height because it is a point where bob change direction of motion. In that moment "hammer" on a opposite part of the lever goes down. With this in account the net energy represented as overunity will be zero in the best case (no loss in pivots and air drag).
It is indicative that part near the left side of the lever pivot was not described. Because of this part, left side of a lever could not drop down as it will do in a moments of pendulum maximum. We could assume that this exist in a pump like end of down stroke...

Second video is demonstration, only. Pump pull water from bottom of the vessel and deliver it less than meter high. There will be noticeable difference if a pump pull water from greater depth (needed heavier pendulum bob)...

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2153 on: March 11, 2014, 12:30:51 AM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2154 on: March 12, 2014, 06:31:28 PM »
related research:

Gravitational Motors (GM's) 1983-2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ArpYL2iviI

This story began in 1983.

In this video it is shows almost all of the tests performed with Gravitational Motor's (GM's) between the years 1983 and 2013.

Altogether 19 prototypes and a few more 32 variants were built.

Most tests were destructive (we had total loss of the device), the goal was to find the best geometry.

The GM-06 is the only one that remains operational.

Almost all the GM's lost weight being the most efficient GM-12 (the last one picture), which lost 17% of his weight, wherein the wheels have an inclination of 51ยบ.

Information as an GM works, as well as guidance on how you can build a Perpetual Motor ("PM") will be available at:

www.quantumgravity.us

Still will be presented other forms of symmetry breaking with which we can build a PM.

Rolf Guthmann

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2155 on: March 14, 2014, 11:09:48 PM »
Bedini powered two stage mechanical (by John54day)
This is the test of using a bedini type circuit to power a two stage osscilator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndQqLFoG-dQ

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2155 on: March 14, 2014, 11:09:48 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2156 on: March 14, 2014, 11:11:09 PM »
related research...

Gravity pendulums
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXmsu00sKcs

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2157 on: March 20, 2014, 02:16:42 PM »
Pendulum set up (by John54day)
This is the test set up showing some details. The weight is 3 kg. The battery show a standing charge of 12.45. Under load it is only drawn down to 12.30. And then it stays there for over 20 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdaA2io3sGU

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2158 on: March 22, 2014, 01:36:20 PM »
latest from R.Head

180 Degree escapement for TSO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNqm431Sbig


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #2159 on: March 22, 2014, 05:26:07 PM »
from R.Head again...

verg and Foliot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8hnr-Wv8J4

 

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