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Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #180 on: December 22, 2006, 10:28:44 PM »
Earl has a good points on this...check out the link below. he says the pendulum should be aerodynamic shaped and that the ball bearing(s) should be magnetic bearing for best results (near zero friction).

he also thinks this system won't work in a purely mechanical way and that we should apply electromagnetic coil(s). still i think we should try both ways and any other way possible. there is more details so check the link out below.

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http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Milkovic_Two-Stage_Mechanical_Oscillator

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #181 on: December 23, 2006, 01:35:52 AM »
Could someone suggest me a good simulation program to verify my results? Better if it's available in free trial.

I attached two spring with light tension (5kgf/m)at the lever edges, the power of only one of them (in W) is the first graph on the left, so this machine is able to put some work out while the pendulums keeps oscillating....

Tensions on the ropes would be very high.....mhhhhh.

Howewer today I bought all the needed stuff to build and verify my setup.......so soon we'll know IF and HOW the strange simulations data reflects the real world.....

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #182 on: December 23, 2006, 07:46:30 AM »
I don't have enough info to replicate your starting position... Is the sim still open? If you could please describe the starting postion and component dementions, I would like to replicate your results. The graphs are really exciting to see! I hope you had air restance turned on... You do have to turn it on each time you start a new project. Also the springs don't extract that much energy, but if you replaced them with dampeners then you could more readily extract energy from the system. If you get similar results while extracting energy then I would try physical replication. My attempts to replicate your results yeilded a sim that would self oscillate, but its a glitch not sponstanious energy... Fun to watch though, the balls bounce up and down and spin on their own.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #182 on: December 23, 2006, 07:46:30 AM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #183 on: December 23, 2006, 12:03:57 PM »
check this out. i leave the system at equilibrium state and still the massive lever starts to pick up speed. and yes the air resistance is set to high. is it because of the horizontal track?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #184 on: December 23, 2006, 01:38:08 PM »
am i doing something wrong? or is it the software?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #185 on: December 23, 2006, 03:59:34 PM »
Hower asked me to post this:

Hello again.

Topic related to Milkovic's oscillator:

I also found this link was not functionally well

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Video/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-7)_Universal_oscillator-generator.wmv

here is the alternative link for the video link on pages 1 and 3 (add it under the previous)

http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-7)_Universal_oscillator-generator.wmv

I found on Milkovic's website the translation of dynamo flashlight analysis.

Put it on page 2 and inform the others about this news.
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images/Analysis_of_the_dynamo_lamp.pdf

Best regards.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #186 on: December 23, 2006, 10:11:02 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #187 on: December 24, 2006, 04:27:50 PM »
If you could please describe the starting postion and component dementions, I would like to replicate your results. The graphs are really exciting to see! I hope you had air restance turned on...

Air resistance was set to High Speed, I put a value of 0.500 just to test if the real matter for this device to work was air resistance and friction, but nothing changed (in the way the machine was self sustaining).
I'll give you the latest data I'm working on for the REAL test.

Lever = 1 metres
Fulcrum = center (0.50m) seems the best bet.

2 Lateral Pendulums data: weight = 4kg each; rope lenght (center of disc to lever)= 18cm ; Disc Diameter = 12cm

Rope connected to fulcrum at the lever's centre = have yet to experiment, best results SEEM obtained whit shorter lenght  = 7 cm

My attempts to replicate your results yeilded a sim that would self oscillate, but its a glitch not sponstanious energy... Fun to watch though, the balls bounce up and down and spin on their own.

Yes, I know the effect, fun to watch.....to avoid excess of energy from the lever, you can just connect the sides of the lever to 2 dampeners, but you have to connect the dampeners in a way they will be "active" only when the lever reach a certaing degrees in rotation, and not before, otherwise the machine will not self sustain.

Please beg my english, I'm trying to do my best.

I tryed to realize a real world experiment with the TRIPENDULUM setup, but the steel lever I have seems too weak (!!!) and not adequate. I stopped the making as soon I realized the two lateral pendulum would have braken the lever after few oscillations.

PS If you try the real test be careful with the ropes.....in the simulation I measured very very high tension......

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #188 on: December 24, 2006, 05:21:10 PM »
I would suggest transfering the kinetic energy from the striking end
of the lever to a fly wheel then you can add magnets and coils to it.

I'm attaching an animated version of my idea.
It's not to scale and I left out the connecting rods. (tired)

The problem is friction. when you start adding yet more moving mass to the system your dragging down the total entropy of the system. It would be much more efficient to magnetize the swinging mass and induce voltage swinging by induction coils.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #188 on: December 24, 2006, 05:21:10 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #189 on: December 24, 2006, 10:13:05 PM »
I would suggest transfering the kinetic energy from the striking end
of the lever to a fly wheel then you can add magnets and coils to it.

I'm attaching an animated version of my idea.
It's not to scale and I left out the connecting rods. (tired)

The problem is friction. when you start adding yet more moving mass to the system your dragging down the total entropy of the system. It would be much more efficient to magnetize the swinging mass and induce voltage swinging by induction coils.

yes the massive lever's energy needs to be put back into the pendulum as direct as possible for best results.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2006, 10:33:44 PM by FreeEnergy »

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #190 on: December 26, 2006, 07:27:21 AM »

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #191 on: December 27, 2006, 08:27:10 AM »
Hi Folks,

Not an engineer or physicist, but just a guy who's good at jury rigging stuff...

I've seen folks in the thread trying to figure out the timing to push the pendulum.  What about a simple light source, (LED,) and receptor trigger that the bar on the pendulum would break, which would trigger an electromagnet to repel a fixed magnet on the pendulum as it passed the bottom of it's arc?  It'd give a little push twice per cycle.

Don't know how you'd generate the power for the electromagnet, but am thinking a link that drives a wheel, (like on a steam engine drive wheel,) that would be geared to run a generator with a capacitor to store the power until trigger time.

For whatever it's worth...

Dave

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #192 on: December 27, 2006, 09:54:02 AM »
One question I would have about using the whole electromagnet idea to push/pull is how efficient is an electromagnet?

Tim

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #193 on: December 27, 2006, 09:39:54 PM »
@konduct,


what happened with your rebuild machine ?

Does it work overunity ?
Thanks.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #194 on: December 28, 2006, 04:12:07 AM »
try it this way guys...login to see picture

it is hard to find the center point of equilibrium between the lever and the pendulum.

 

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