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Author Topic: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !  (Read 1426314 times)

Offline bsrinon

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #135 on: December 14, 2006, 12:55:29 AM »
Hey Sam,

That probably wouldn't be the most efficient or easest way of doing it. I would prefer glueing neo magnets on the wheel and then have stationary air core pickup coils around the wheel, with the space between the magnet face and the coil end as close to each other as possible.  In this setup, you don't have to worry about commutating the output of the coils wrapped around the wheel, as you would if the coils were on the wheel.

Here's a setup that might work (I don't think this setup has aircore coils):

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Inventors/JohnBedini/SG/Feb2005/images/Bedini_Feb2005_big_guy.jpg

A toroidal coil would give more power if the magnets were moving inside the toroidal tube. But that would be hard to make.

Brian

hey everyone,

how much power could we generate if we wrapped a coil around the bicycle wheel,  as in brian's design, and then placed fixed permanent magnets at various points around the wheel?  i wonder if the toroidal coil will give us more power?  just my stupid thought of the day stuck out here on the road.

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Offline supersam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #136 on: December 14, 2006, 01:10:49 AM »
@ brian,

great pickup on bedini, i wouldn't have thought of that for a ten dollar bill!  there are afterall ring magnets aren't there.  that sounds great.  with your setup there are lots of ways to go.  have you looked at milkovic's patent idea's? iknow i can't read them but as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

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sam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #137 on: December 14, 2006, 01:18:53 AM »
http://world.honda.com/ASIMO/

better chance of this guy beating us all at a game of touch footbal :D


http://world.honda.com/HDTV/ASIMO/New-ASIMO-run-6kmh/
4 miles per hour is just fast enough to lose me...
(I only run when chased)

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #137 on: December 14, 2006, 01:18:53 AM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #138 on: December 14, 2006, 02:20:26 AM »
hey  dingus,

i think bill mehess, is scheduled to release all his info and demo video on christmas morning.  can you post some pictures or video of the results you have gotten with the bicycle setup?  that would be great!! i still can't understand why it will not work maybe you can enlighten us.  or maybe we can help you to figure out why.  either way bill's idea with winding a spring to keep the pendulum moving may make or break the idea of closing the loop.  however if you take a look at milkovic's patents i think you might find it has already been done.

lol
sam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #139 on: December 14, 2006, 02:32:11 AM »
A level mercury switch on the pendulum should be able to make a connection any time it is level... Also you could tie in a secondary switch to make sure the pendulum was only assisted when the lever was at a certain point along its path.

As for the extraction of energy from this set up:
I have made 50+ simulations only 2 of them showed violations of the first law. The only thing those two configurations had in common was the fact that the x plane velocity of the pendulum match that of a control group pendulum. I would suggest every one experiment with two pendulums at all times. One on the lever and the other stationary. If you can get them to match pace and phase only then you have began to scatch the surface of this device. I will try to post more sim data but I would advise others to just start working in WM2D with the two pendulum concept as to demonstrate the kinetic energy gain and the configuration it was found in.

Good luck to all,
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #139 on: December 14, 2006, 02:32:11 AM »
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Offline konduct

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #140 on: December 14, 2006, 02:42:35 AM »
Mramos...A SMOT actually seems to work better backwards.  I built a rotary 12 inch smot with sticky spots at 180 degrees from each other and the motor had more torque backwards than forwards.  Each magnet got about 1/8th of an inch farther away from each other.  You can go right past a sticky spot if you are going backwards!  The problem you now have is the "original" smot direction causing drag.  You get more energy in a backwards smot at the beginning as opposed to the end, due to the quick difference in field strength.  Trust me, I will put a video up if needed.  

Folks, I can get my 180 rotary smot to go past the stick spot by at least 120 degrees with no input!  I believe I could get it to go all the way around but I have a big dropoff where the flux of the last few mags gets sucked up into the beginning of the reverse smot.  >:( I think Tom Ferkos 45 degree track demonstrates these principles in a linear way using straight inertia as opposed to centrifugal force.)  I am real close to going ahead and putting together some diagrams and starting a new thread combining all of this knowledge in a simple enough way to actually design a build a working model.  Probably is going to be a 2D Version of the Mikell device if anybody wants a head start on understanding the design.  Actually, I think my "reverse" smot (already built) can be fitted with a slightly different rotor and made to do the same thing.  The beauty is there are several different configurations that will work on the same priciple!

  

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #141 on: December 14, 2006, 02:47:11 AM »
Another principle to keep in mind with the Mikovic device is that it is constantly immersed in a field...gravity.  The pendulum "rides" the "polarity" of gravity...With that in mind...I think a working smot will have to constantly remain within a flux field, just surfing the polarity changes and picking up excess energy from each wave.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #142 on: December 14, 2006, 03:40:54 AM »
Polite correction...The pendulum swings on a "straight" axis...Its trajectory is a circle. What happens if you swing a pendulum all the way around?  It makes a circle. 

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #143 on: December 14, 2006, 04:12:38 AM »
I'm not trying to breed the smot with the Mikovic Device. What I am saying is the Mikovic priciples will apply to a magnet motor! Using centrifugal force to reset the cycle in a smot.  No pendulums in the magnet motor!  Do you understand what I meant earlier?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #143 on: December 14, 2006, 04:12:38 AM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #144 on: December 14, 2006, 04:18:15 AM »
hey dean,

i don't think it takes that many joules of brain power.  all you have to do is keep the damn pendulum swinging and the rest of the system takes care of it's self.  maybe you should use some of those joules of yours investigating that!!!!

lol
sam

thats just what i am saying .. how is it your are going to interact with the pendulum without absorbing back any energy and also impart added energy to it to keep this baby going ..

I honestly think you guys are oversimplifying closing the loop here ...

ok the mercury switch gives you timing but you still need to know the angles, velocities and you need to also retract the the device that has exerted this new momentum (ie it has to be stopped as well as imparting force) .. keep doing your sums ...


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #145 on: December 14, 2006, 04:21:38 AM »
think it through .. just how simple is it to keep the "damn" (subconcious concern) pendulum swining

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #145 on: December 14, 2006, 04:21:38 AM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #146 on: December 14, 2006, 04:41:50 AM »
I already tried to explain this before .. now this is very important ..

when he pushes using the single torch the spring transfers the force to his hand without absorbing the energy into the torch (system) the lever dynamo in the torch thereby is not engaged and the little light you guys are all standing in amazement at (lol ...not shining) should not light afterall so no magical 12:1 here .. please move on all...
 

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #147 on: December 14, 2006, 04:47:35 AM »
P.S .. I am still trying to work out how to stop people from assuming I am SH .. i was going to say I got a PM from him but that would prove nothing at all .. speaking of damned conundrums :(

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #148 on: December 14, 2006, 04:52:21 AM »
I agree, I like the smot and the hydrogen cell ideas best at the moment.

Never say Never !!!

Offline supersam

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #149 on: December 14, 2006, 06:16:21 AM »
hey dean,

meanwhile back at this site we are discussing, dual mechanical oscillation systems.  maybe you got this site confused with some halfbaked idea that you may have swiped or something.  maybe you should put a little more effort into a vortex motor or something.  it definitely sounds like a more sound place for you to concentrate your efforts or maybe you would rather join daniel back over at kosol's sight again.

lol
sam


ps: can't wait for your smartass retort.  waiting patiently till you finally run out of hot air.  hmm. that gives me a thought for a fool proof overunity device. how can we harness all of your negative hot air?

 

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