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Offline AhuraMazda

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Kunel's Device
« on: November 30, 2006, 10:47:14 PM »

I have an interest in replicating the Kunel's device. But sadly I don't speak German. There is an English translation around from 7/11/2002 but this is not very good and confusing.
Is there anyone kind enough to do an accurate translation and, anyone who would like to join with me in this quest? If Herr Kunel is reading this, you are also welcome to join the team.

My plan is to get a few people including myself to have the same type of toroidal cores and copper windings, transistors, ICs etc so when we exchange information we can eliminate a lot of cross talk.

The patent is attached. I wonder why no one even talks about Kunel's device.

I look forward to meeting you on this common goal.


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Kunel's Device
« on: November 30, 2006, 10:47:14 PM »

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Re: Kunel's Device
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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2006, 11:30:46 PM »
Free Energy,
Yes I have seen the Rene-rator but I think the way to go is to start from somewhere solid. Kunel would have been confident enough in his invention to have applied for a patent. I have been around many user groups where many people come up with an idea are convinced that they have a working device. Next, there will be a load of people following this false idea till they all have had enough.

I noticed some people are convincied that Rene-rator design should work but we don't see anyone actually working on it I wonder why?

I am hoping there will be some people with commitment with the help of whom we can get a Kunel device working. Only thing I have is the patent and I will add a lot of effort but I can not promis success.

Gruss

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Offline Belfior

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2018, 01:46:27 PM »
more useable info for the Kunel replicators

https://patents.google.com/patent/US3089064

patent for an electromagnet, but what seems to be a Kunel idea patented in 1963. Pretty much everything is there that is in the Kunel patent https://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf

Apprarently Kunel has stated, that his idea works, but the patent is a bit altered, so it won't work as is. I think the google patent has good info on how the flux need to be changed and pulsed to actually gain a changing flux

Actually the more electromagnet patents I read I realize the stuff Kunel left our to protect his idea. The other talk about flux change and hot to produce it in great length

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2018, 04:10:47 PM »
Belfior said


Apprarently Kunel has stated, that his idea works, but the patent is a bit altered, so it won't work as is. I think the google patent has good info on how the flux need to be changed and pulsed to actually gain a changing flux

Actually the more electromagnet patents I read I realize the stuff Kunel left our to protect his idea. The other talk about flux change and hot to produce it in great length


I heard Kunnel said it works but not as drawn - see if you can figure out how to change the drawing and make it work...

1. I tested a stack of pms and flipped the end one and it will nix the flux...
 so that being if I powered one coil with 3 watts then another coils powered with
1 watt should also nix the 3 watt coil..... so there is a possibility but adjacent to
each other will not work either... so I like Kunnel say as described about should work
but not as described and drawn...

2. I add this to the Figuera setup. Biforn said one coil is inserted into the end of the
secondary. I did not wind and test this but I will soon....

So either 1 or 2 may answer the Kunnel statement. I hope you beat me to that
answer.


Norman
 

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Offline Belfior

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2018, 04:20:25 PM »
I had a talk with a Kunel replicator and he told me that breaking the flux inside the core takes too much current. He said in the air you can break it with a fart...

My problem is that all my magnets are neodymium and I really need some ferrite ones that are weaker. That flux from a neodymium PM is STRONG. I think that flux from a PM is coherent and the one produced with current is "kinda" straight and that makes the difference

I am trying out different forms of cores with air gaps. It will work

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2018, 04:30:53 PM »
I had a talk with a Kunel replicator and he told me that breaking the flux inside the core takes too much current. He said in the air you can break it with a fart...

My problem is that all my magnets are neodymium and I really need some ferrite ones that are weaker. That flux from a neodymium PM is STRONG. I think that flux from a PM is coherent and the one produced with current is "kinda" straight and that makes the difference

I am trying out different forms of cores with air gaps. It will work

Thanks Belfior, thanks for that tip on the air gap. I will work on that.
 I too do not use neos because they are too strong. I used ceramics in my tests.

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Offline Belfior

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2018, 04:42:12 PM »
maybe even something like this could work. Terrible picture, but made it in a hurry

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2018, 05:26:28 PM »
It is always a good idea to  check out if Patrick has expounded and the subject, and he has:

Page 74
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter3.pdf

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2018, 08:53:16 PM »
Hi all, i was just thinking about this last night for some reason.
What about a coil wrapped around the magnet or many coils beside the magnet, parallel to it, to couple the permanent magnets field with the air coils field.

This should divert the permanent magnets field completely away from the long ferromagnetic core ahead of it and when coils are de-energized, we can harvest the flyback and that coil or coils, on field collapse, should project the same magnetic field polarity as the permanent magnets field polarity.

Just thinking here, since you folks said it is not drawn correctly on the patent.
peace love light :)

Like this maybe.
Edit: actually, giving it a little more thought, it might work better if the long ferromagnetic rod, were in contact with the magnet and the surface area of the end of the rod, covered the magnet and the coil wrapped around the magnet.
The idea being, the south pole of the coil face would couple much easier with the magnet north pole face through that small end of the solid rod.
Maybe even a small length of rod behind the magnet also, to complete the magnetic circuti of the coil.

 
« Last Edit: June 08, 2018, 07:22:58 AM by SkyWatcher123 »

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2018, 07:51:22 PM »
Hi all, here is the updated idea, on diverting the flux of a permanent magnet in the kunel type device.

I tried it with ceramic permanent magnets, one beside the other, with a piece of steel touching both magnets and it seems to work well.

All flux is diverted and coupled through the very end piece of steel and down the length of the secondary core has no flux detectable.

I'm winding a large 24awg. coil around a stack of rectangular ceramic permanent magnets to test the idea further.

I would expect that the coils magnetic field, wrapped around permanent magnet, should not exceed flux of permanent magnet, or else that excess flux would spill over into the secondary core.

The benefit of the flux diverting coil wrapped around the permanent magnet, is that upon coil field collapse, the magnetic field polarity should be the same as the permanent magnet and will help with induction of secondary coil, plus the additional benefit of recovering the flyback energy of coil.

I also wonder if applying alternating current to the coil wrapped around magnet might be worth a try, since as the polarity of the coil alternates, it adds to the permanent magnets flux and then couples and causes a make and break within the secondary coil.
peace love light :)

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2018, 02:31:11 AM »
Hi all, i briefly tested the coil over the magnet idea and maybe i did not use enough turns, as it was not very effective, however i think this other idea will work just as well.
It includes the possible flyback recovery pulse adding to the permanent magnet polarity, if using DC pulsing.

I quickly wound a coil using speaker wire at far end of 1/4" steel piece and as shown, placed ferrite magnets in front of it.

Quickly applying 12 volts, which is over kill in this case, the coil fully coupled all flux from the permanent magnets.

Another piece of steel was used, touching various points after the magnet and the steel piece had zero attraction to large steel piece, meaning all flux was diverted.
The only question is, if secondary coils are wound upon the core, after the permanent magnets, will it induce current into the secondary coil or coils.
Thoughts welcome
peace love light

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2018, 11:44:02 PM »

Another piece of steel was used, touching various points after the magnet and the steel piece had zero attraction to large steel piece, meaning all flux was diverted.
The only question is, if secondary coils are wound upon the core, after the permanent magnets, will it induce current into the secondary coil or coils.
Thoughts welcome
peace love light

Skywatcher - that sounds like the Flynn flux diverter stuff. I never got that to work right.
Figuera, Flynn and Kunel are very similar...
After all these years somebody should have gotten this to work.

Norman

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Re: Kunel's Device
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2018, 03:08:46 PM »
I had a talk with a Kunel replicator and he told me that breaking the flux inside the core takes too much current. He said in the air you can break it with a fart...

My problem is that all my magnets are neodymium and I really need some ferrite ones that are weaker. That flux from a neodymium PM is STRONG. I think that flux from a PM is coherent and the one produced with current is "kinda" straight and that makes the difference

I am trying out different forms of cores with air gaps. It will work

Cute analogy. ;D ;D :P

If kicking the air-gap doesn't work well, you might also want to try reversing the setup and see if it gives you better output.  Pulsing the ferromagnetic rod and harnessing energy from the air-gap.  That would be more of a magnetostrictive resonance and may respond differently.

 

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