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Title: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: tinman on February 22, 2018, 02:03:31 PM
If anyone is thinking of buying Aarons new book !!High Voltage N-Machine!,think twice.

Lets have a look at Aarons prelude to the book.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20844-high-voltage-n-machine-aaron-murakami.html

Quote:The importance of the Homopolar Generator cannot be emphasized enough. It is a drag free generator that produces electricity by simply rotating a magnet in space!

Common generators will get bogged down when you draw electricity from them – for example if you light up a bunch of bulbs on a gasoline generator set, the engine has to work harder to compensate for that load, thereby burning up more gasoline.

But with a Homopolar Generator, you can draw electricity from it and it does not bog down what is turning the magnet. And this is just one of the many benefits of this kind of generator.


Is there any laws on selling a book based on lie's?

Aaron cant be serious--can he?
Or is he really this stupid?

Has he no idea at all about how simple things like the homopolar generator really work.

How can this guy run a free energy forum,when he knows so little about the simplest of thing's.

How can he sell books based on lie's,and get away with it?.

This bloke has no shame.


Brad.
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: Belfior on February 22, 2018, 06:06:17 PM
well Aaron took some nice videos of Dollard and all he had to do is buy Dollard some meth.

He also got to digitize all US psychotronics assosiations videos and those go back to the 70s!

https://uspa.emediapress.com/

Now I gotta pay gazillions to get my hands on these videos where free energy weirdos showed their devices and ideas
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: AlienGrey on February 22, 2018, 09:43:12 PM
well Aaron took some nice videos of Dollard and all he had to do is buy Dollard some meth.

He also got to digitize all US psychotronics assosiations videos and those go back to the 70s!

https://uspa.emediapress.com/

Now I gotta pay gazillions to get my hands on these videos where free energy weirdos showed their devices and ideas
where did you get that link from ? it doesn't do much !
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: Belfior on February 22, 2018, 10:17:20 PM
That link is the page Aaron sells those videos from. I think I got it from John Reed who founded the Psychotronic Film Society of Savannah
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: Magluvin on February 22, 2018, 11:52:13 PM
If anyone is thinking of buying Aarons new book !!High Voltage N-Machine!,think twice.

Lets have a look at Aarons prelude to the book.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20844-high-voltage-n-machine-aaron-murakami.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20844-high-voltage-n-machine-aaron-murakami.html)

Quote:The importance of the Homopolar Generator cannot be emphasized enough. It is a drag free generator that produces electricity by simply rotating a magnet in space!

Common generators will get bogged down when you draw electricity from them – for example if you light up a bunch of bulbs on a gasoline generator set, the engine has to work harder to compensate for that load, thereby burning up more gasoline.

But with a Homopolar Generator, you can draw electricity from it and it does not bog down what is turning the magnet. And this is just one of the many benefits of this kind of generator.


Is there any laws on selling a book based on lie's?

Aaron cant be serious--can he?
Or is he really this stupid?

Has he no idea at all about how simple things like the homopolar generator really work.

How can this guy run a free energy forum,when he knows so little about the simplest of thing's.

How can he sell books based on lie's,and get away with it?.

This bloke has no shame.


Brad.

Well unless you have actually read the book, naturally the 'prelude' is not going to tell you the key to building what he presents or nobody would buy the book.

Does a homopolar gen with the mag ring spinning with the copper disk have any drag on the driver motor when the gen is loaded?

As you have highlighted in red, of which seems to be your point of contention, do you disagree with that there would be no drag or as he says bogging down when current is drawn from the gen?  If so, what is it dragging against if the disk spins with the magnet together?

As to how to get higher voltages from it than is known, I suppose one would have to buy the book and actually see before slamming it beforehand. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: tinman on February 23, 2018, 10:18:16 AM
author=Magluvin link=topic=17619.msg517031#msg517031 date=1519339933]


Quote
As you have highlighted in red, of which seems to be your point of contention, do you disagree with that there would be no drag or as he says bogging down when current is drawn from the gen?  If so, what is it dragging against if the disk spins with the magnet together?

I do indeed--dont you?.

What is it dragging against?--dont you know Mags?.
Have you not played with homopolar motors?

Do you think there is no drag?
Are you saying we could put 100 homopolar generators on a single axle,drive it with 1 small electric motor,and produce 1000's of times the output to that of what the motor is using?.

I am surprised Mag's--i thought you knew this stuff.


Brad
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: tinman on February 23, 2018, 10:20:54 AM
where did you get that link from ? it doesn't do much !

Sorry-dont know how i got that one.
Try this one lol.'

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20844-high-voltage-n-machine-aaron-murakami.html
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: Magluvin on February 23, 2018, 11:44:33 AM
author=Magluvin link=topic=17619.msg517031#msg517031 date=1519339933]


I do indeed--dont you?.

What is it dragging against?--dont you know Mags?.
Have you not played with homopolar motors?

Do you think there is no drag?
Are you saying we could put 100 homopolar generators on a single axle,drive it with 1 small electric motor,and produce 1000's of times the output to that of what the motor is using?.

I am surprised Mag's--i thought you knew this stuff.


Brad

If you spin the disk magnet with the copper disk together, as in they both turn at the same speed, and load the current produced in the disk, there will be drag on the drive motor? If so, and you can show this, then we have something else of great significance that we can talk about.  ;)

Mags
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: tinman on February 23, 2018, 12:32:38 PM
If you spin the disk magnet with the copper disk together, as in they both turn at the same speed, and load the current produced in the disk, there will be drag on the drive motor? If so, and you can show this, then we have something else of great significance that we can talk about.  ;)

Mags

Of course there will be drag on the drive motor when you load the output Mag's,otherwise we would have a reactionless generator.

Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: vasik041 on February 23, 2018, 06:08:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHuLCSOKV4Y
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: Cherryman on February 23, 2018, 06:45:29 PM
A de paradox : )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gduYoT9sMaE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gduYoT9sMaE)


And the Solution:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wgmTGi5pU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wgmTGi5pU)


( As a little side node: In this little gem (the second vid) is the exact explanation of how the Utron power accumulator works : )


Edit: This one is fun also:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wgmTGi5pU
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: lancaIV on February 23, 2018, 07:20:44 PM
                                               Video 2 :From Faraday to Lorentz
 and the so called "Lorentz-Force" and like the scifi-scriptor and scientist
Isaak Asimov in one of his books explained the disclosing from the Lorentz-Force-Formula by the "Newtonsche Determinanten-Method " we get : e=mc²


            so "e"= "Lorentz" Force and Force F in electro magnetic machines =BIL


 btw: anti-"there is no way for a perpetuum mobile existence"-Thesis awarded by the Nobel-Prize -Yury
a. = anti -dem koeniglichen Rat der Wissenschaften zu Paris
b.=  anti-Noether-Theorem


Mehr braucht Ihr nicht zu wissen !
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 06:27:53 AM
Tesla’s recommendation involved slicing spiral cuts or separations
into the disk.
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: Magluvin on February 24, 2018, 06:38:26 AM
A de paradox : )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gduYoT9sMaE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gduYoT9sMaE)


And the Solution:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wgmTGi5pU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wgmTGi5pU)


( As a little side node: In this little gem (the second vid) is the exact explanation of how the Utron power accumulator works : )


Edit: This one is fun also:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wgmTGi5pU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5wgmTGi5pU)

'A de paradox : )'

I agree with Maxwell.  The magnet disk needs to be a continuous disk, not a pseudo disk made of a bunch of smaller magnets.

Great vid. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 06:52:38 AM
'A de paradox : )'

I agree with Maxwell.  The magnet disk needs to be a continuous disk, not a pseudo disk made of a bunch of smaller magnets.

Great vid. ;)

Mags


Also
Some ring magnets have multiple poles on their faces
even when they appear to be a solid piece


Sometimes this is intentional, like those found in floppy disk drives
Other times this can be caused from use
such as those pulled from a used microwave magnetron
or during manufacturing, due to cheaper processes of magnetization.
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: Magluvin on February 24, 2018, 07:10:37 AM

Also
Some ring magnets have multiple poles on their faces
even when they appear to be a solid piece


Sometimes this is intentional, like those found in floppy disk drives
Other times this can be caused from use
such as those pulled from a used microwave magnetron
or during manufacturing, due to cheaper processes of magnetization.

I can go with that. The noise shown in the vid when just the magnet spins is probably showing those inconsistencies in the disk/ring magnet itself. Nothing is perfect. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 07:53:27 AM
The ones that are cut/sliced from cylinders also can have inconsistencies
There are some that are closer to perfection
They are generally more expensive, made from an isostatic press magnetization


The most common (cheap) magnets are sintered, then magnetized with a solenoid
These are generally less consistent.
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: Cherryman on February 24, 2018, 01:50:34 PM
The ones that are cut/sliced from cylinders also can have inconsistencies
There are some that are closer to perfection
They are generally more expensive, made from an isostatic press magnetization


The most common (cheap) magnets are sintered, then magnetized with a solenoid
These are generally less consistent.


What would happen if you take a strong neo ring magnet and stick it to a iron disc and have that iron disc facing the copper disc?  Would it even out the magnetic field ? Would it even work?


Second:


About Tesla.  Tesla seems to he stated once that off all his inventions the tesla turbine was his best.   I  often wonder about that statement because i think we are missing something about the Tesla turbine. It's a nice invention, but to call it his best?


Unless...


We only know half of it's capabilities..  I think. I think some of the functionalities are being left out...  for example


A. What if the Tesla Turbine was constructed to function as a static generator?  Those multiple high speed rotating plates can with a little engineering deliver some nifty sparks !!


B. What if the Tesla Turbine was constructed to function as a homo polar generator?    Just alternate the discs with copper and magnetized plates...  stack them as normal...  rotating as a normal and... voila !   Muchos Powerrrr! 


 
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 03:57:26 PM
One of The Godfather’s of particle acceleration created a 7ft homopolar motor
the magnet was electromagnet that was only switched on after the giant copper
disk was spun up.


The sliding-contacts were made of liquid metal alloy.
Sodium-Potassium (NaK)
We can get it from inside old 2-wire thermostats
Like in an old oven or A/C thermostats
Be careful it explodes with moist air or water


Mercury may be safer, but has its own dangers.




Iron:: 
I see this as basically weakening the magnetic field, and also producing its own
Eddy currents. But otherwise should still ‘function’.









Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: hdeasy on February 28, 2018, 07:10:00 PM
I'm not sure if this has been answered, but I just satisfied myself that there is indeed a massive drag force on the rotation of the homo-polar disk, whether with co-moving magnet or not. If the current flows from edge to disk centre, as it will do in the generator if the field is downwards and the rotation CCW, then the Lorentz force on the current is CW. I.e. the Lorentz force acts a la Lenz's law to oppose the movement giving rise to the current.

The more current drawn the greater the drag force and so the more input mechanical energy is needed to keep rotating at constant speed.

So Aaron is indeed wrong to maintain that there is no drag. This is certainly no OU machine.
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: tinman on February 28, 2018, 11:13:54 PM
I'm not sure if this has been answered, but I just satisfied myself that there is indeed a massive drag force on the rotation of the homo-polar disk, whether with co-moving magnet or not. If the current flows from edge to disk centre, as it will do in the generator if the field is downwards and the rotation CCW, then the Lorentz force on the current is CW. I.e. the Lorentz force acts a la Lenz's law to oppose the movement giving rise to the current.

The more current drawn the greater the drag force and so the more input mechanical energy is needed to keep rotating at constant speed.

So Aaron is indeed wrong to maintain that there is no drag. This is certainly no OU machine.

Good to see someone understands how the homopolar generator works,and the garbage Aaron sell's.
Title: Re: WARNING Cant believe what im reading
Post by: minnie on March 02, 2018, 12:20:03 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule#Ampere.27s_right_hand_screw_rules