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Author Topic: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets  (Read 3101 times)

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Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« on: February 21, 2018, 06:21:50 AM »
    UPDATE - I made some corrections to this post

Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets

The best I have found on the internet, are :

-  The monopole spherical device, created at the university of barcelona,  however,  that needs to be super-cooled, to turn it into a super-conductor,  for it to function
     Also,  when you examine the usual diagram showing it's field-lines,  it does seem as if those field-lines  curve on both sides of the device,  and you sort of think that they may meet outside of the diagram,   therefore behaving like a normal magnet
       You would expect video demonstrations of this device,  and it's effect and range,  on other  permanent-magnets and metal objects,  but there seem to be no videos   

 -  And the other design I found,   is the video below, and is only a software simulation,  however,  for such a simple design,  it is very impressive :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K09FFxsgtsQ

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  My designs are on the diagram below
     However, I have noticed that at least one of my designs is similar to an already available,  cheap,  claimed Monopole-Permanent-Magnet  product on the internet,  even before I posted it this week (  and I doubt that I posted or designed many of my designs before the last week or so   )

    In the diagram :
     - Monopole-Design-A  -  Is a side-view of a Cone-Shaped-Permanent-Magnet,  that has a hollow shaft running through it's center

     - Monopole-Design-B  -  Is a side-view,  and is an attempt to copy and design a 3D version of the one in the video :
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K09FFxsgtsQ

     - Monopole-Design-C  -  Is a side-view of a   Solid Cone-Shaped-Permanent-Magnet

     - Monopole-Design-D  -  Is a side-view of a Cone-Shaped-Permanent-Magnet,  that has a different hollow shaft running through it's center,  to that of  'Monopole-Design-A'

     - Monopole-Design-E  -  Is a side-view -  'Magnet-W' is inside the  hollow shaft of  'Cylinder-Permanent-magnet-'Magnet-X', 
          I THOUGHT AN  EFFECTIVE  MODIFICATION WITH THIS DESIGN IS TO :
          - Just seal of one end of 'Cylinder-Permanent-magnet-'Magnet-X' 
              -  However, the small magnet inside the cylinder may connect with the opposite end of the large cylinder,  something that may happen regardless of blocking of one end of the large cylinder ,  I don't know .
              -  The only problem with this solution is that it blocks the type of energy flow( from the external environment ? ) effect through the magnet that I was hoping for  .
             - You could also have a long  'Rectangular-Shaped-Permanent-magnet-'Magnet-X'  and a rectangular  'Magnet-W'
         
     - Monopole-Design-F - Is an attempt the play with the relevant strengths at the ends of the magnet,  and try and put an awkwardly long thin weak link between them

     - Monopole-Design-G  -  I only made this design to show the idea of using  hollow-shafts  to try and mix different fields

     - Monopole-Design-H  - 

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   So obviously the aim of my designs is to produce some type of   'coherent'  magnetic beam / ray,   just by using  'Permanent-Magnets',   by  not allowing the 2 poles of the permanent-magnet to connect with each other,  as illustrated on my  2nd diagram,   below

   Just to clarify,  that my  Monopole-Permanent-Magnet   designs,   may not be the same thing as the standard definition of a  magnetic-monopole ,    since the standard definition of a magnetic-monopole may be like a  sphere ( like a proton ) radiating out a single field out in ALL directions,  like a proton

    The  2nd diagram below,  is a diagram of my version of the magnetic-field of my versions of Monopole-Permanent-Magnets
    (  NOTE - In 2nd diagram below,   I have not used my designs for Monopole-Permanent-Magnets ,    instead,    I just show a normal  'Non-Monopole' Permanent-Magnet,  in order to make it easier to see the  monopole fields I want to try and achieve 

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2018, 06:32:23 AM »
Two things


First, magnetic monopoles were successfully created 5 years ago
Here’s one of the 3 methods that I know of for “at-Home” creation
there are other, more advanced methods that require a lab.


https://youtu.be/rOdTDkgEdAY


Second, if you dig through the “tri-force” threads on this forum
~8-9 yrs ago someone here discovered how the tri-force can create
a singular-pole magnetic beam. (magnetic laser)
Enabling the normal 2-3 inch field to be extended several meters.
North in one direction, south split in two other corners of a triangle,
vice versa, or in another arrangement, a singular opposite pole vectored
at an angle (not 180-degrees)


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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2018, 06:38:43 AM »
What I would like to know is


What is the design for “perpetual motion”
That we have always heard magnetic monopoles
are supposed to be capable of? ??? ?


Playing with them, they are nothing more than 1/2
of a magnetic dipole.
But in all effect, behave like one side of a normal magnet.
If it is a north monopole, it attracts south and repels north
and if it’s a south, it attracts north and repels south.


I haven’t found anything special about them, except that they
appear to be missing their other pole....


Experiments confirm my suspicions, that they behave similar to electric charges.

If magnetic monopoles could create perpetual motion, then electric charges
would do the same.
But they don’t.




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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2018, 06:38:43 AM »
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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2018, 05:18:07 PM »
@sm0ky2


I noticed your post above:
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Second, if you dig through the “tri-force” threads on this forum[/size]~8-9 yrs ago someone here discovered how the tri-force can createa singular-pole magnetic beam. (magnetic laser)Enabling the normal 2-3 inch field to be extended several meters.North in one direction, south split in two other corners of a triangle,vice versa, or in another arrangement, a singular opposite pole vectoredat an angle (not 180-degrees)


After doing some searching I wasn't able to find a diagram/drawing of that ~ do you have an image or can you point me to one?

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 10:59:03 PM »
Second, if you dig through the “tri-force” threads on this forum
~8-9 yrs ago someone here discovered how the tri-force can create
a singular-pole magnetic beam. (magnetic laser)
Enabling the normal 2-3 inch field to be extended several meters.
North in one direction, south split in two other corners of a triangle,
vice versa, or in another arrangement, a singular opposite pole vectored
at an angle (not 180-degrees)

   I can not find( details below ) any mention of the  Permanent-magnet-laser  you mentioned,  although I searched via google rather than reading all through the threads,    a direct-link  or  diagrams would function  .

   If that was done only using  Permanent-magnets, it is exactly why I am currently interested in  Monopoles,  for a  Permanent-magnet-laser  done by only using  permanent-magnets,   not for  magnet-motors .

   This seems somehow much bigger( in a different way ) than  overunity-generators or perpetual-motion ,  imagine if a   permanent-magnet-laser did work,   and you put it on a balloon 2-km in altitude,  maybe the  permanent-magnet-laser  could reach to the earth (  since there's no metallic material absorbing it in the sky )

   I have tried putting the text below( and other similar searches ),   in  Google-normal-search,  and in  Google-image-search,   but have not found the "singular-pole magnetic beam(magnetic laser)"  in the  tri-force threads,  or anywhere on overunity.com   :

   "tri-force"   "beam"  site:.overunity.com
   "singular pole" "magnetic beam"  site:.overunity.com


What I would like to know is


What is the design for “perpetual motion”
That we have always heard magnetic monopoles
are supposed to be capable of? ??? ?


Playing with them, they are nothing more than 1/2
of a magnetic dipole.
But in all effect, behave like one side of a normal magnet.
If it is a north monopole, it attracts south and repels north
and if it’s a south, it attracts north and repels south.


I haven’t found anything special about them, except that they
appear to be missing their other pole....


Experiments confirm my suspicions, that they behave similar to electric charges.

If magnetic monopoles could create perpetual motion, then electric charges
would do the same.
But they don’t.

   I can see why people may have wanted a monopole,  for the simplest  magnet-motor  design,  where  a  rectangular-magnet-stator,    only has it's side( not the N or S pole ) facing directly to the center of the rotating-wheel .
       But I thought that even with a  monopole,  that there would still be  a sticky-point  .

    I don't know if  magnetic-monopoles could create  perpetual-motion,  but what about an  electrostatic  version  of  "magnet-motor-3.5"   .
       If the triangular-components  on  "magnet-motor-3.5"  where  only  electrostatically-charged  material,   would the stators( electrostatic  versions )  below them try and go the the thickest-part  of the  electrostatically-charged-triangle.
    Note : On the  normal  magnetic version  of  "magnet-motor-3.5",   only 3 or 4 triangles would have to be  permanent-magnets,  the little-square-stators could just be metal( not permanent-magnets ) .

    Strangely, I can no longer load the  overunity.com  pages containing "magnet-motor-3.5",  by clicking the images that come up from putting the following text,   in a  Google-image-search :

        "magnet-motor-3.5"  site:.overunity.com/

     That search also brings up a diagram of an updated version of  "magnet-motor-3.5"

   The problem may be that the announced website rennovations on  overunity.com ,   may have caused some links to stop working

    The following link goes straight to a post containing that motor :
    http://overunity.com/15774/permanent-magnet-motor/msg475921/#msg475921

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2018, 05:21:19 AM »
   As I mentioned in my previous post,  it would be excellent if we had some links or diagrams about the    "singular-pole magnetic beam. (magnetic laser)"    that   sm0ky2  mentioned,    but some of those   tri-force  threads have too many pages to read through

    In the first diagram in my first post on this thread,   the poles in 'Version( A )', 'Version( B )', 'Version( C )', 'Version( D )', 'Version( H )',   should be switched around

    A much easier way to make some of my  Monopole-designs,  in particular  'Version( E )', 'Version( H )',   'may'( ? )   be to use a  Diamagnetic material such as Graphite to try and shield or deflect magnetic-fields
      For example,  the 'Cylinder-Permanent-magnet-'Magnet-X'  in  'Version( E )' could be made of Graphite,  which I assume would enable it to be very long, and prevent the N and S of    'Magnet-W'  from connecting with each other
   
   Note - a tiny piece of Graphite can float in between 2 long magnets,   however,  the picture on the following webpage, could( don't know ) disprove the choice of  Graphite
    http://scitoys.com/board/messages/1/434.html?1289671297
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   @sm0ky2
     sm0ky2 mentioned on a thread that when he applied current to 2 hollow metal-spheres, that they remained locked together after he disconnected the current
       -  Maybe it was some type of  'Charge-Seperation'( Electrostatic ) like in an Electrophorus, and maybe the sphere's also held the charge inside ,  unless it was magnetic or electromagnetic
______  ______

    Note : I have now thought up a possibly( ? ) even better Monopole-design, 
        - That would be to simply attract the N end of a  permanent-magnet( A )  so strongly( with an external force ),   that the S end of permanent-magnet( A ) will not connect with it's own N end,  doing that with some type of external  magnet or electromagnet or something( unless an electric force can somehow be used )

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2018, 09:52:27 AM »
 Just read this thread, looking for a monopole ??  I did a video for  my YT post in 2012  link below..
 
Acca…
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Az_sZXjHU
 
PS  …..Look  in to Floyd Sweet on programing magnets.. hint…
 
Mon-pole scientist view is ….
 
Alan Tennant explains what magnetic monopoles are, the most challenging aspects of the experimental setup for their observation at Berlin research reactor BER II, the significance of their discovery for future applications and the international collaboration with research groups.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgios9zEuJ4
 

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2018, 11:53:12 PM »
@postingsite,

I still haven't found where the "tri-force" magnetic-laser is described. . .


But here are some magnetic-beam links ~ one from this site that didn't ever get fully test the way I remember:
http://overunity.com/10126/magnetic-lens/#.Wo8p6K6nHIU


or
http://www.rexresearch.com/bushman/bushman.htm


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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2018, 01:41:40 AM »
 @truesearch
     Those links are great,  there's patents,  and they seem to claim this was the antigravity propulsion

     It would be great if anyone can sometime post a video of a  Permanent-Magnet-Laser

     sm0ky2 seems to have detailed how to replicate it,  on the following post :
         http://overunity.com/17578/successfully-looped-smot/msg517021/#msg517021
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From what little could be learned from the magneticnlaser experiment
is was a field compression effect
It can be done with the magnetic meridian, as well as either pole.
But the simplest form
was n-n-n
or s-s-s
Repelling each other, until the center field collapsed into a finite beam.

      sm0ky2  typed :
         "Repelling each other, until the center field collapsed into a finite beam"
            So he says beam instead of laser,   but he may mean laser,   since earlier he described the distance as being several meters

          Also,  I'm wondering where he typed :
          "until the center field collapsed into a finite beam"
              Was it like a temporary pulse, or like a permanent beam/laser
           

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2018, 06:55:14 PM »
Those are my terms, to give a description of the effect.


It could more accurately be called a linear magnetic field.


Temporarily permanent, as it decreases the strength of the magnets.
As will any situation where you force magnets into repulsion for long time periods.

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2018, 06:57:51 PM »
The built-in search engine on this site is no longer adequate.
There is too much content for it to function properly.


Did a manual digging last night, but I can’t seem to find all of the
Tri-force threads... came across 4 in the Mechanical section,
But there may be others hidden under theory or another category.
A quick skim through those came up with nothing.
3 hrs search is more than I was wanting to invest, so I’m done there.


When I get home Monday i’ll build a model to show the linearly compressed field.


My tri-force magnets currently are the cheap Chinese knock-off brand
So I doubt I will get a great distance.
But I should be able to show the normal reach, and the extended “laser beam” type field effects.


This will be 2nd in my list, as I have an inertial propulsion demo to make first.
Then magnetic laser (monopolar linear magnetic field compression)
Its actually a di-pole Effect, but the opposite poles are vectored off the 180-line.








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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2018, 07:58:46 PM »
@sm0ky2

Had any time to put together a model of this magnetic-beam (monopolar linear magnetic field compression) effect? And I respect your other experimenting and interests so I'm not pressuring you  :)


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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2018, 10:49:42 PM »
@sm0ky2

Had any time to put together a model of this magnetic-beam (monopolar linear magnetic field compression) effect? And I respect your other experimenting and interests so I'm not pressuring you  :)


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Ok so, it’s been over a dacade since I played with this stuff
took me several attempts to get the configuration


Because my set-up uses a magnet on a string
I have to wait for it to stop moving before I can
show the next test.
So I will have to break this up into 2 videos
First I will describe the arrangements
for this I am using the 3-sided “pyramidal” arrangement
The focus is on the tri-pole interface
This case being 3 south poles on a single ball
An amplification can be achieved by orienting like poles on the opposing balls
To cause a reflection of the field along each axis of the pyramid
The angle of repelling fields causes a linear extension out of the apex


This I will show in the first part of the video
As well as 3 linear magnets to show the effective field distance
under non-compressed conditions


The second video (after it stops) will show the effective distance of the compressed field.


These magnets are weak, so the distances involved are something like 9 inches and 30 inches
The compressed field actually demonstrates an effective field at greater than 30 inches
but it is very weak and showing that takes a while of rocking back and forth to get the movement going.


Both cases are affected by the earths magnetic field, which is fairly close to the ‘at rest orientation’
This has some effect on the distances.
they would be further outside of the earths field.
and using stronger magnets will amplify the effect as well.


I will post a link here once I finish recording and put them on the tube.

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2018, 11:22:18 PM »
Here’s something I found where they create similar effects
to create an effective monopole


The mechanism they show with the flipping bar magnets
is the basis for a magnetic computer
https://youtu.be/l5xSjCePgEQ

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Re: Monopoles, by only using Permanent-magnets
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2018, 11:30:34 PM »
@sm0ky2


Thanks for sharing this information! And looking forward to seeing your videos when you have the time to post them.


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