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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 100326 times)

Offline iflewmyown

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #390 on: March 20, 2018, 08:55:57 PM »
Please, we have 30 pages of good information and people working together for a common purpose. For many years Luc has built countless projects and shared all he found, that is a fact. I am an old man who spent 40 years trying to find or replicate free energy. I chose a long time ago not to share my failures but I would happily haved shared my success had I had one. I am working on a mechanical commutator design in case the relays fizzle and the mosfets don't work properly. Having built many mechanical commutators I sincerely hope the mosfets work. Let's ignore the rhetoric and proceed.
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #391 on: March 21, 2018, 06:53:24 AM »
Hello Michel
There are many ways to control the coils of Pierre Cotnoir.
I will also try your suggestion.
My schematic, driver, program (pictures) has not been released in the forum.
I can not imagine what the problem is with the admin.
Is information withheld here?
Here is my first schedule program (one cycle), variations always possible.
R = relay
Plus Power Relay Contacts R1 - R36
Minus Power Relay Contacts R37 - R72, see pictures
Best regards Andy

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Takt 1 (Spule 1 = R1 + R43); (Spule 7 = R43 + R 13); ( Spule 13 = R13 + R55); (Spule 19 = R55 + R25); (Spule 25 = R25 + R67); (Spule 31 = R67 + R37)

Takt 2 (Spule 2 = R2 + R44); (Spule 8 = R44 + R 14); ( Spule 14 = R14 + R56); ( Spule 14 = R14 + R56); (Spule 26 = R26 + R68); (Spule 26 = R26 + R68)

Takt 3 (Spule 3 = R3 + R45); (Spule 9 = R45 + R 15); ( Spule 15 = R15 + R57); (Spule 21 = R57 + R27); (Spule 27 = R27 + R69); (Spule 33 = R69 + R39)

Takt 4 (Spule 4 = R4 + R46); (Spule 10 = R46 + R 16); ( Spule 16 = R16 + R58); (Spule 22 = R58 + R28); (Spule 28 = R28 + R70); (Spule 34 = R70 + R40)

Takt 5 (Spule 5 = R5 + R47); (Spule 11 = R47 + R 17); ( Spule 17 = R17 + R59); (Spule 23 = R59 + R29); (Spule 29 = R29 + R71); (Spule 35 = R71 + R41)

Takt 6 (Spule 6 = R6 + R48); (Spule 12 = R48 + R 18); ( Spule 18 = R18 + R60); (Spule 24 = R60 + R30); (Spule 30 = R30 + R72); (Spule 30 = R30 + R72)


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Takt 7 (Spule 1 = R37 + R7); (Spule 7 = R7 + R 49); ( Spule 13 = R49 + R19); (Spule 19 = R19 + R61); (Spule 25 = R61 + R31); (Spule 31 = R31+ R37)

Takt 8 (Spule 2 = R38 + R8); (Spule 8 = R8 + R 50); ( Spule 14 = R50 + R20); (Spule 20 = R20 + R62); (Spule 26 = R62 + R32); (Spule 32 = R32+ R38)

Takt 9 (Spule 3 = R39 + R9); (Spule 9 = R9 + R 51); ( Spule 15 = R51 + R21); (Spule 21 = R21 + R63); (Spule 27 = R63 + R33); (Spule 33 = R33+ R39)

Takt 10 (Spule 4 = R40 + R10); (Spule 10 = R10 + R 52); ( Spule 16 = R52 + R22); (Spule 22 = R22 + R64); (Spule 28 = R64 + R34); (Spule 34 = R34+ R40)

Takt 11 (Spule 5 = R41 + R11); (Spule 11 = R11 + R 53); ( Spule 17 = R53 + R23); (Spule 23 = R23 + R65); (Spule 29 = R65 + R35); (Spule 35 = R35+ R41)

Takt 12 (Spule 6 = R42 + R12); (Spule 12 = R12 + R 54); ( Spule 18 = R54 + R24); (Spule 24 = R24 + R66); (Spule 30 = R66 + R36); (Spule 36 = R36+ R42)
« Last Edit: March 21, 2018, 09:51:22 AM by Andy71 »

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #392 on: March 21, 2018, 02:25:34 PM »

Moving on    Aller de l'avant


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #393 on: March 21, 2018, 03:49:54 PM »
Luc
Don't we have two neighbor coils on ?
First step, coil 1+2 then 2+3.
Perhaps you should widen the sec. core to 7 sections.
Just asking
Arne

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #394 on: March 21, 2018, 05:25:28 PM »
I would use the 4 pole rotor of a 1500 rpm alternator which can take plenty of turns. And the use a 4 pole distributed winding using 3 coils for each pole in in series. This way your two rotor phases will be the same. Salient rotor would be hard to get many turns on.

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J'utiliserais le rotor à 4 pôles d'un alternateur de 1500 tr / min qui peut prendre beaucoup de virages. Et l'utilisation d'un bobinage distribué à 4 pôles utilisant 3 bobines pour chaque pôle en série. De cette façon, vos deux phases de rotor seront les mêmes. Rotor saillant serait difficile d'obtenir beaucoup de tours.

 
« Last Edit: April 01, 2018, 03:25:44 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #395 on: March 21, 2018, 05:43:39 PM »
Luc
Don't we have two neighbor coils on ?
First step, coil 1+2 then 2+3.
Perhaps you should widen the sec. core to 7 sections.
Just asking
Arne

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Luc
N'avons-nous pas deux bobines voisines?
Première étape, bobine 1 + 2 puis 2 + 3.
Peut-être devriez-vous élargir la seconde. noyau à 7 sections.
Je ne faisais que demander

Not sure what you're trying to say Arne?
Pierre has confirmed there are 6 poles

So my 30 slots  /  6 poles =  5 coils or slots per pole
I cut my center core to magnetically couple with 5 coils or slot
We are not changing anything.
In Pierre's 36 slot he obviously has 6 coils or slots per pole and you can clearly see in the picture below his center core is exactly 6 slot wide.

Luc

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Je ne suis pas sûr de ce que vous essayez de dire Arne?
Pierre a confirmé qu'il y a 6 pôles

Donc mes 30 fente / 6 pôles = 5 bobines ou fente par pôle
Je coupe mon noyau central pour coupler magnétiquement avec 5 bobines ou fente
Nous ne changeons rien.
Pierre a 36 fente, alors il a évidemment 6 bobines ou fentes par pôle et vous pouvez voir clairement dans l'image ci-dessous son noyau central est exactement 6 fentes de large.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #396 on: March 21, 2018, 06:07:37 PM »
Luc
""Not sure what you're trying to say Arne?
Pierre has confirmed there are 6 poles""

 We still have 6 poles, but consisting of 2 coils side by side, displaces the magnetic field one step at a time while 1 coil is always on.
So to say make before breake.

See even Reply #373
Arne

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #397 on: March 21, 2018, 07:22:23 PM »
Looking at the video with the microwave oven, the output current was similar to the input current with no load on the loop. When the MW was added the output went up to 11.5A but input remained the same indicating that it is load invariant. I suggest replacing the transformer with a switch mode power supply and remove the series resistor. The power supply will limit the super cap charge current. Then apply a 2 KW load and see if input current stays at 2A whilst maintaining 113-115V.


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #398 on: March 21, 2018, 07:32:03 PM »
First film at 13min 50sek --> input current falls to 1.6 - -1.5 A !! whem MWO is activated.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #399 on: March 21, 2018, 09:36:01 PM »
Luc
""Not sure what you're trying to say Arne?
Pierre has confirmed there are 6 poles""

 We still have 6 poles, but consisting of 2 coils side by side, displaces the magnetic field one step at a time while 1 coil is always on.
So to say make before breake.

See even Reply #373
Arne

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"" Pas sûr de ce que vous essayez de dire Arne?
Pierre a confirmé qu'il y a 6 pôles ""

Nous avons toujours 6 pôles, mais constitué de 2 bobines côte à côte, déplace le champ magnétique un pas à la fois tandis que 1 bobine est toujours active.
Donc pour dire faire avant breake. Voir réponse # 373

Yes Arne, that is the reality and I guess when those two coils are on together at the point the pole flips there's going to be an interesting event to observe ;)
Could be what Pierre was seeing on his scope, the WWW?... we will see 8)

Regards

Luc

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Oui Arne, c'est la réalité et je suppose que lorsque ces deux bobines sont allumées ensemble au moment où le pôle change de direction, il va y avoir un événement intéressant à observer ;)
Peut-être que c'est ce que Pierre voyait sur son scope les ondes WWW? ... nous verrons 8)

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #400 on: March 21, 2018, 09:54:34 PM »
The below video is the method I use when cutting a stack of transformer laminations.
A thin cut off blade is a must!, wear a quality filtered mask as silica is present in transformer laminations and I also protect my ears.
You must use strong clamp pressure with a steel plate on each sides to distribute the pressure. Without it, you are sure to ruin the laminations as the metal particles will fill between laminations and inflate the core.

Luc

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La vidéo ci-dessous est la méthode que j'utilise pour couper une pile de tôles de transformateur.
Une lame de coupe fine est un must !, portez un masque filtré de qualité car la silice est présente dans les tôles des transformateurs. La protection des yeux est également un must et je protège également mes oreilles.
Vous devez utiliser une forte pression de serrage avec une plaque d'acier de chaque côté pour répartir la pression. Sans cela, vous êtes sûr de ruiner les tôles pendant que les particules métalliques se remplissent entre les tôles et gonflent le noyau.

Video: https://youtu.be/F3q8QyUwawI

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #401 on: March 21, 2018, 10:11:10 PM »

Finished center core
Noyau central fini

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https://youtu.be/8NMg59Lx0xo

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #402 on: March 21, 2018, 10:55:04 PM »
The below link is a LibreOffice spreadsheet of each coils resistance (A), Inductance (B) without center core, then Inductance (C) with center core in fixed horizontal position as below picture.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=98828892163314457292

Luc

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Veuillez trouver le lien pour document LibreOffice des données de chaque résistance de bobines (A), Inductance (B) sans noyau central, puis Inductance (C) avec le noyau central en position horizontale fixe comme photo ci-dessous.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #403 on: March 22, 2018, 12:32:11 AM »
The below link is a LibreOffice spreadsheet of each coils resistance (A), Inductance (B) without center core, then Inductance (C) with center core in fixed horizontal position as below picture.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=98828892163314457292

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Veuillez trouver le lien pour document LibreOffice des données de chaque résistance de bobines (A), Inductance (B) sans noyau central, puis Inductance (C) avec le noyau central en position horizontale fixe comme photo ci-dessous.
Hi Luc, thanks for posting the numbers. I have plotted them for you, please see the attached plot. This is kind of what is expected, about same inductance for each coil without rotor and enhanced inductance with 2-fold symmetry when the rotor is present. I will post some theoretical plots later for Pierre's 36 slot stator. The only thing I noticed is the dip around slot 15 and 21 for the measurement with rotor!

Regarding your individual coils, max/min/mean = 618/504/560.5uH and standard deviation is 33.6uH or about 6%, pretty good for handcrafted artwork!

Btw. I am assuming that none of the coils were connected together when you did these measurements, correct? All should be open circuit except for the one that you are measuring.


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #404 on: March 22, 2018, 02:11:49 AM »
Hi Luc, thanks for posting the numbers. I have plotted them for you, please see the attached plot. This is kind of what is expected, about same inductance for each coil without rotor and enhanced inductance with 2-fold symmetry when the rotor is prescomplot ent. I will post some theoretical plots later for Pierre's 36 slot stator. The only thing I noticed is the dip around slot 15 and 21 for the measurement with rotor!

Regarding your individual coils, max/min/mean = 618/504/560.5uH and standard deviation is 33.6uH or about 6%, pretty good for handcrafted artwork!

Btw. I am assuming that none of the coils were connected together when you did these measurements, correct? All should be open circuit except for the one that you are measuring.

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Salut Luc, merci de poster les chiffres. Je les ai tracés pour vous, s'il vous plaît voir ci-dessous. C'est en quelque sorte ce à quoi je m'attendais, à peu près la même inductance pour chaque bobine sans rotor et une inductance améliorée avec une symétrie double lorsque le noyau du rotor est présent. Je posterai quelques autre tracés théoriques plus tard pour le stator de 36 slots de Pierre. La seule chose que j'ai remarqué est le creux autour des slot 15 et 21 pour la mesure avec le rotor!
En ce qui concerne vos bobines individuelles, max / min / mean = 618/504 / 560.5uH et l'écart type est de 33.6uH ou environ 6%, assez bon pour les illustrations faites à la main!
Je suppose qu'aucune bobine n'a été connectée lorsque vous avez fait ces mesures, n'est-ce pas? Tout devrait être en circuit ouvert à l'exception de celui que vous mesurez.

Thanks for the Plot PmgR

Yes, all the coils were open (not connected) when taking the measurements.

Regards

Luc

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Merci pour le tracés  PmgR
Oui, toutes les bobines étaient ouvertes (non connectées) lors de la prise des mesures.
Cordialement

 

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