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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #375 on: March 19, 2018, 06:18:02 PM »
@MichelM :
N'oublies pas qu'il faut aussi activer 12 bobines à la fois,(Post 258)

Do not forget that you also have to activate 12 coils at a time, (Post 258)


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #376 on: March 19, 2018, 06:31:57 PM »
Awesome work Luc and Pmgr !   All very professional.   


I want to toss out some nibbles for thought which I hope for Luc's sake I am wrong but I was recently reminded of this.   I don't think this is what Erfinder is alluding to - just something which may have a remote chance of playing into the success of Pierre's device so take it for what it is.   I'm also factoring in the thought that anytime we change anything from an original build that we are playing with numbers and factors that can affect the outcome.   I'm referring to Telsa's mystical 3 6 9 information and especially the uniqueness of the number 9.   In Pierre's device his number of slots is a multiple of 9 and his number of relays and transistors are also a multiple of 9.  He also has 6 in there as 6 poles.   This is a nicely done video on the 3 6 9 and especially in the later part where he talks about the uniqueness of the number 9 :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ50EUbWzg


I know this may seem like a lot of woo-woo but considering the lack of OU devices it may be something to think about .   I do hope for Luc with all the work he put into that beautiful coil winding job this is not a factor but if his build doesn't produce OU it might be something to consider in future builds.


   Also just a note on the low cost of products from China.  While some may be of lesser quality not all are low quality and cost is a whole different world over there.   I have products from China that cost 1/20th of USA made items and one of them closely examined by an American manufacturer said they could not tell the difference in quality.   So a USA made item costing $1000 can cost only $50 from China but still have the same high quality.  Remember China is a Communist country and it's a whole different economy and culture there where people may have no choice in what job to take or how much they are paid.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #377 on: March 19, 2018, 06:48:33 PM »

@MichelM :
I believe you are correct. The three N-poles can be driven together and the three S-poles can be driven together, so that would reduce the number of relays and transistors by a factor of 3. Each relay would need to have 3 isolated switches (one for each N/S pole). And you can still step one slot at a time or turn two slots next to eachother on at the same time.
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #378 on: March 19, 2018, 07:03:03 PM »
Awesome work Luc and Pmgr !   All very professional.   
I want to toss out some nibbles for thought which I hope for Luc's sake I am wrong but I was recently reminded of this.   I don't think this is what Erfinder is alluding to - just something which may have a remote chance of playing into the success of Pierre's device so take it for what it is.   I'm also factoring in the thought that anytime we change anything from an original build that we are playing with numbers and factors that can affect the outcome.   I'm referring to Telsa's mystical 3 6 9 information and especially the uniqueness of the number 9.   In Pierre's device his number of slots is a multiple of 9 and his number of relays and transistors are also a multiple of 9.  He also has 6 in there as 6 poles.   This is a nicely done video on the 3 6 9 and especially in the later part where he talks about the uniqueness of the number 9 :  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ50EUbWzg

I do hope for Luc with all the work he put into that beautiful coil winding job this is not a factor but if his build doesn't produce OU it might be something to consider in future builds.

Also just a note on the low cost of products from China.  While some may be of lesser quality not all are low quality and cost is a whole different world over there.   I have products from China that cost 1/20th of USA made items and one of them closely examined by an American manufacturer said they could not tell the difference in quality.   So a USA made item costing $1000 can cost only $50 from China but still have the same high quality.  Remember China is a Communist country and it's a whole different economy and culture there where people may have no choice in what job to take or how much they are paid.

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Super travail Luc et Pmgr! Tout est très professionnel.
Je veux jeter des grignotements pour la pensée que j'espère pour l'amour de Luc, je me trompe mais cela m'a été rappelé récemment. Je ne pense pas que ce soit ce à quoi Erfinder fait allusion - juste quelque chose qui peut avoir une faible chance de jouer dans le succès de l'appareil de Pierre alors prenez-le pour ce qu'il est. Je pense aussi que chaque fois que nous changeons quelque chose d'une construction originale que nous jouons avec des nombres et des facteurs qui peuvent affecter le résultat. Je veux parler de l'information mystique de Telsa et surtout de l'unicité du nombre 9. Dans l'appareil de Pierre, son nombre de slots est un multiple de 9 et son nombre de relais et de transistors est aussi un multiple de 9. Il a aussi 6 là comme 6 pôles. Ceci est une vidéo bien fait sur le 3 6 9 et surtout dans la dernière partie où il parle de l'unicité du numéro 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOJ50EUbWzg

J'espère pour Luc avec tout le travail qu'il a mis dans ce beau travail de bobinage ce n'est pas un facteur mais si sa construction ne produit pas d'OU, cela pourrait être quelque chose à considérer dans les futures constructions.

Aussi juste une note sur le faible coût des produits en provenance de Chine. Alors que certains peuvent être de moindre qualité, tous ne sont pas de qualité médiocre et le coût est un monde complètement différent là-bas. J'ai des produits en provenance de Chine qui coûtent 1 / 20ème des articles fabriqués aux Etats-Unis et l'un d'entre eux examiné de près par un fabricant américain a déclaré qu'ils ne pouvaient pas faire la différence en termes de qualité. Ainsi, un article américain de 1000 $ peut coûter seulement 50 $ à la Chine, tout en conservant la même qualité. Rappelez-vous que la Chine est un pays communiste et qu'il y a une économie et une culture totalement différentes là où les gens n'ont pas le choix du travail à faire ou du salaire.

Thanks e2matrix for your post and positive comment.
I'm aware of the risks of making a change or changes. This build is a first step to observer what happens when we have this interesting combination of components and switching. I've never tried it and that alone will be satisfactory for me to observe. If more comes out of it ;) then that's a bonus.

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Merci e2matrix pour votre message et commentaire positif.
Je suis conscient des risques de faire un changement ou des changements. Cette construction est une première étape pour l'observateur de ce qui se passe lorsque nous avons cette combinaison intéressante de composants et de commutation. Je ne l'ai jamais essayé et cela seul sera satisfaisant pour moi d'observer. Si plus vient à sortir ;) , alors c'est un bonus.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #379 on: March 19, 2018, 07:22:43 PM »
@MichelM :
I believe you are correct. The three N-poles can be driven together and the three S-poles can be driven together, so that would reduce the number of relays and transistors by a factor of 3. Each relay would need to have 3 isolated switches (one for each N/S pole). And you can still step one slot at a time or turn two slots next to eachother on at the same time.
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@MichelM:
Je crois que vous avez raison. Les trois pôles N peuvent être entraînés ensemble et les trois pôles S peuvent être entraînés ensemble, ce qui réduirait le nombre de relais et de transistors d'un facteur 3. Chaque relais nécessiterait 3 commutateurs isolés (un pour chaque N). / S pole). Et vous pouvez toujours avancer d'un créneau à la fois ou tourner deux fentes l'une à côté de l'autre en même temps.
PmgR

MichelM, I also agree with PmgR. However, using one single switch to feed 3 coils means 3 times the current thorugh the switch. We have to weigh all the pros, cons and costs before making such a change.
For me at this time I wouldn't consider it as I'm already changing 2 things, 30 section vs a 36 section stator and solid state switching vs mechanical relays.
However, I do appreciate you or anyone making suggestions for future builds.

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Luc

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MichelM, je suis également d'accord avec PmgR. Cependant, l'utilisation d'un seul interrupteur pour alimenter 3 bobines signifie 3 fois le courant dans l'interrupteur. Nous devons peser tous les avantages, les inconvénients et les coûts avant de faire un tel changement.
Pour moi en ce moment je ne le considérerais pas comme je suis déjà en train de changer 2 choses, 30 sections contre un stator de 36 sections et une commutation à l'état solide contre des relais mécaniques.
Cependant, j'apprécie que vous ou quelqu'un fasse des suggestions pour les constructions future.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #380 on: March 19, 2018, 07:29:44 PM »
Message to group from Pierre

hello,
I have a question regarding a possible optimization of the dz generator.
I'm not a magnetic field specialist so I would like to know what would be a better design for the center fixed generator core. Should the center Iron core cover the whole field like the first picture or like second picture with the wire in the center of the I core like my first device?
I would like peoples opinions which I may consider using on my second prototype.

Thanks

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bonjour luc , j'aurait une question pour optimisé le dz générateur vu que je suis pas un spécialiste des champ magnétique j'aimerais savoir si le rotor qui génère la torsion du champ devrait-elle faire le champ au complet ou  concentrer le fil dans le centre mais sans couvrir le champ au complet. J'aimerais que quelqu'un me confirme ça pour aller chercher le maximum de puissance dans mon deuxième prototype.
merci
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I would use the 4 pole rotor of a 1500 rpm alternator which can take plenty of turns. And the use a 4 pole distributed winding using 3 coils for each pole in in series. This way your two rotor phases will be the same. Salient rotor would be hard to get many turns on.


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #381 on: March 19, 2018, 07:48:31 PM »
@Luc :
merci pour les traductions. Je suis aussi d'accord, qu'il vaut mieux, en premier lieu, répliquer aussi fidèlement que possible. Reproduire l'effet serait déjà très satisfaisant.
Les simplifications que je propose, même si on ne les applique pas dans l'immédiat, peuvent nous permettre de comprendre le fonctionnement du dispositif.

Eng. @Luc:
thanks for the translations. I also agree that it's better at first to replicate as faithfully as possible. To reproduce the effect would be very satisfactory.
The simplifications that I propose, even if we do not apply them in the immediate future, could help us to understand the functioning of the device.


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Sur le schéma de Pierre, toutes les bobines sont toujours sous tension, à chaque instant. Regardez, elles sont toutes reliées ensemble, de façon permanente, hors ou sous tension, même si le courant ne circule pas dans plusieurs bobines à certains moments. Ce sont les flux de courant qui s'inversent en fonction des commutations, entraînant une inversion des champs magnétiques.

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@cheors
In Pierre's diagram, all the coils are always energized at every moment. Look, they are all connected together, permanently, off or on, even if the current does not flow in several coils at certain times. It is the flow of current that reverses as a function of the commutations, causing a reversal of the magnetic fields.


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Je crois que des relais simples à un seul commutateur suffisent, car c'est le même courant négatif, et le même courant positif qui alimente chaque bobine. Je ne vois pas de séparation dans les arrivées (+) ou les (-). Donc je pense qu'on peut utiliser des relais à un seul contact, avec une arrivée (+) ou (-) et trois fils en sortie, qui partent vers les bonnes bobines, selon les 2 tableaux que j'ai postés (Il faudrait modifier le tableau pour le stator de Luc à 30 fentes).
Sur le schéma de Pierre, le plus petit cercle relie toutes les bobines au négatif (-), et le plus grand cercle (extérieur) relie toutes les bobines au positif (+). Des circuits séparés n'apporteraient rien de plus. Le changement de polarité Nord et Sud se fait simplement par une habile inversion du sens du courant, en jouant avec les ouvertures et fermetures des relais.
Les flèches sur son schéma devraient toutes aller du négatif vers le positif (sens réel du courant), si on ne tiens pas compte du « flyback ». Il me semble que l'inversion de certaines flèches troublent la compréhension, à moins que je n'ai pas bien compris moi-même.

Eng. @pmgr
I think simple single-switch relays are enough, because it's the same negative current, and the same positive current that feeds each coil. I don't see a (+) or (-) on the input. So I think we can use relays with a single contact, with a (+) or (-) input and three wires on the output, which feed the appropiate coils according to the 2 tables that I posted (need to modify the table for Luc's 30 slot stator).
On Pierre's diagram, the smaller circle connects all the coils to the negative (-), and the larger (outer) circle connects all the coils to the positive (+). Separate circuits would bring nothing more. The change of polarity North and South is simply done by a current reversal and playing with the openings and closures of the relays.
The arrows on his diagram should all go from negative to positive (real current direction), if we ignore the flyback. It seems to me that the inversion of some arrows disturbs the understanding, unless I havn't understood it well myself?
« Last Edit: April 01, 2018, 03:45:40 AM by gotoluc »

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« Reply #382 on: March 19, 2018, 08:49:21 PM »
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I shipped 34 of the L298N plus one Mega 2560 via Fedex. You should receive it by Thursday at the latest.

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J'ai expédié 34 L298N plus un Mega 2560 via Fedex. Vous devriez le recevoir jeudi au plus tard.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #383 on: March 19, 2018, 09:26:37 PM »
Here is a test of 1/2 of the L298N red pcb dual H bridge that was sent to Luc.  The board uses an STMicroelectronics L298N in their Multiwatt 15 package and the smd diodes are M7 which is the 1N4000 series.  These will exhibit higher losses than Schottky diodes and the loss is somewhat evident in the scope shot below.  The device also uses bipolar transistors for output.

The test was run with a 22vdc supply using a 5mH linear inductor at the output terminals of one bridge. The input is two single pulses 180 degrees out-of-phase at 1kHz to allow the inductor to be charged to ~2 amps peak.

In the scope pix, CH1(yel) is the 1st input pulse and CH2(blu) is the 2nd input pulse.  CH3(pnk) is the output of the high side switch and CH4(grn) is the current thru the inductor.  The Math(red) channel is the mean power consumed from the supply resulting from the product of CH3 x CH4.

In observation of the test, the output current during the field collapse of the inductor is considerably less than the charge period indicating losses in the M7 diodes.  The input however is rather efficient with the input energy calculating to 19.68 x 500.3e-6 = 9.85mJ.  The inductor reaches a peak of 1.937A which then equates to 1.937^2 x 5e-3 x .5 = 9.38mJ for an efficiency of 9.38/9.85 = 95.2%

Edit: The dcr of the inductor is .6 ohm so there is a loss of 290uJ which should be accounted for.  This results in a more accurate efficiency of 9.09/9.85 = 92.3%.  Also note the onset of saturation at the current peak. 

Regards,
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Voici un test de la moitié du pont double H de la carte L298N rouge qui a été envoyé à Luc. La carte utilise un L298N de STMicroelectronics dans son boîtier Multiwatt 15 et les diodes smd sont M7, ce qui correspond à la série 1N4000. Ceux-ci présenteront des pertes plus élevées que les diodes Schottky et la perte est quelque peu évidente dans la portée tirée ci-dessous. L'appareil utilise également des transistors bipolaires pour la sortie.

Le test a été effectué avec une alimentation de 22 Vcc utilisant un inducteur linéaire de 5 mH aux bornes de sortie d'un pont. L'entrée est composée de deux impulsions uniques déphasées de 180 degrés à 1 kHz pour permettre à l'inductance d'être chargée à environ 2 ampères.

Dans le scope, CH1 (jaune) est la 1ère impulsion d'entrée et CH2 (bleu) est la 2ème impulsion d'entrée. CH3 (rose) est la sortie du commutateur côté haut et CH4 (vert) est le courant à travers l'inductance. Le canal Math (rouge) est la puissance moyenne consommée à partir de l'alimentation résultant du produit de CH3 x CH4.

En observant l'essai, le courant de sortie pendant l'effondrement de l'inducteur sur le terrain est considérablement inférieur à la période de charge indiquant des pertes dans les diodes M7. L'entrée est cependant plutôt efficace avec l'énergie d'entrée calculée à 19.68 x 500.3e-6 = 9.85mJ. L'inducteur atteint un pic de 1,937A, ce qui équivaut à 1,937 ^ 2 x 5e-3 x 0,5 = 9,38 mJ pour un rendement de 9,38 / 9,85 = 95,2%

Edit: Le dcr de l'inductance est .6 ohm donc il y a une perte de 290uJ qui devrait être prise en compte. Cela donne un rendement plus précis de 9,09 / 9,85 = 92,3%. Notez également l'apparition de la saturation au pic actuel.

Cordialement,
Pm
 

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« Reply #384 on: March 19, 2018, 09:29:43 PM »
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I think simple single-switch relays are enough, because it's the same negative current, and the same positive current that feeds each coil. I don't see a (+) or (-) on the input. So I think we can use relays with a single contact, with a (+) or (-) input and three wires on the output, which feed the appropiate coils according to the 2 tables that I posted (need to modify the table for Luc's 30 slot stator).
On Pierre's diagram, the smaller circle connects all the coils to the negative (-), and the larger (outer) circle connects all the coils to the positive (+). Separate circuits would bring nothing more. The change of polarity North and South is simply done by a current reversal and playing with the openings and closures of the relays.
The arrows on his diagram should all go from negative to positive (real current direction), if we ignore the flyback. It seems to me that the inversion of some arrows disturbs the understanding, unless I havn't understood it well myself?
No, I don't think that is correct because when the relay is open, you don't want the starting coil of the three N poles (or south poles) connected to each other, so you have to use separate contacts on the relay (otherwise you would be shorting part of the 36 series line of inductors). When the relay is closed, it indeed doesn't make a difference as all of them contact to +5V or GND. Also, as Luc stated, if it were ok (which it is not), the relay would be carrying three times the current (3 poles in parallel).
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Non, je ne pense pas que ce soit correct car lorsque le relais est ouvert, vous ne voulez pas que la bobine de départ des trois pôles N (ou pôles sud) soit connectée entre eux, donc vous devez utiliser des contacts séparés sur le relais (sinon vous seriez en train de court-circuiter une partie de la ligne d'inductances de la série 36). Lorsque le relais est fermé, il ne fait en effet aucune différence car ils sont tous en contact avec + 5V ou GND. De plus, comme Luc l'a dit, si ça allait (ce qui n'est pas le cas), le relais porterait trois fois le courant (trois pôles en parallèle).
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« Reply #385 on: March 20, 2018, 02:23:43 AM »
A new test with 8 U-cores, 8 coils and 8 steps. TWO moving magnetic fields, back and forth.

N <--> Output core <--> S    Mostly two coils (N)+(S) active

Vin=5.1V  Iin=~1.15A ,  Out 2.3V // 10 Ohm  Freq. out 100Hz  Efficiency ~ 9%

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #386 on: March 20, 2018, 09:42:27 AM »
Nous savons de Pierre qu'il s'agit d'un champ magnétique à 6 pôles, et ces pôles sont configurés NSNSNS alternativement.
Les 6 séries de 6 bobines (36 bobines) changent de polarité, une bobine à la fois dans chaque série mais en même temps, dans le sens de la rotation générale.
Dans les images ci-dessous, l'image 1 est ce qui se passe dans la phase 1 (démarrage), et les images suivantes est ce qui se passe en suivant, toujours selon les indications que Pierre nous a données.
Pierre : "Chaque paire de chiffres que je lui ai donné (à konehead) est une bobine qui s'entrelace et sont toutes connectées en série."
Pierre : "Exemple de commutation: 1 on, 2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 2 off etc. "

Sans s'occuper du nombre de relais, sur les images, je pense que c'est bien ce qui se passe au niveau des connections électriques.
Cela permet de confirmer qu'il n'y a jamais de coupure du courant ; et de constater (image 3) que le courant de doit pas ou peu passer dans les bobines situées entre les connexions rapprochées (n°2, 8, 14, 20, 26 et 32) - le courant préférant toujours le chemin le plus court.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #387 on: March 20, 2018, 12:43:24 PM »
Hello Pierre Cotnoir
Can you help me with that.
Is the connection of the coils and the clock program so correct?
Best regards Andy

Wonderful work keeps it up.

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« Reply #388 on: March 20, 2018, 05:18:03 PM »
Attached is my version of the code for the Mega2560 and 2 comparison screenshots.
It has been posted on the 'OUR' forum, but may not have been seen. Feel free to amend, change, improve it of course.
I haven't posted here before due to the difficulty of scrolling across to read posts after large images are posted...but Stefan has new software rolling out and that hopefully solves it. 

Now...to address the IP issues and wotnot.
There's nothing here yet to get upset about. Why so strong and so derailing ?
Can stuff be Patented ? sure.
Ever tried it ?
I have a Patent with a fellow who paid for the whole thing. It must have cost $60K and more for the whole procedure until being granted !
Having IP ripped off is a valid concern in some ways. For example, an inventor might not be looking to profit from it, but someone will be. Look at what Gary Bluer went through with what was a freely open source and community driven project in the Slayer Exciter. Someone went off and Kickstarter'd it !
Personally, as creator of the Simple Wireless Electricity System (SWES) and SWES2, i've seen bunches of people run off and create videos or tutorials as though they came up with it. They have many more Subscribers, market it well etc.
BUT - it's surely not about making bank.
I don't really care - I missed out on the marketing, I missed out on the promotion, but wasn't doing it for that reason.
Anyone who researches just to keep stuff to themselves is wasting their own time. The big 'one up on you schmucks' only extends to the reflection in the mirror. China will back engineer it anyway and, you know what ? GREAT !
Isn't that the idea, to quit burning polluting fuels, quit having centralised energy and being reliant ? If they were really bothered about climate change they'd quit giving subsidies to oil companies.
If we here invest years of time, energy, money into something that ultimately comes right out of Shenzen for $99 who the hell cares ?
America won't build it - prove me wrong. I live in Oklahoma and we get taxed for having solar panels on our roofs LOL
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/oklahoma-solar-surcharge-bill-becomes-law-17335
No, this country will fight to keep research like this down to squabbles on an internet forum and if there isn't one, they'll steer one.
It will be other countries that benefit from scale production of a working device and that's another reason why we should never entertain any divide and conquer tactics in these forums. We all need each other.

Don't forget that the Smith Mundt Act was repealed, so there will also be propaganda of anything OU if you are in the USA. Imagine this on your nightly CNN newscast  "This device is already known to the State of California to emit fumes that will give your children Rabies. The Rabies is a Russian strain, proven by some source type people we heard it from, honest".
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/
 
Also, the flack is greatest when you are over the target.


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #389 on: March 20, 2018, 05:55:13 PM »
hi Guys
My previous project was a rebuilt engine.
24 coils driven by H bridge.
I will also take these H-bridges for the stator of Pierre Cotnoir.
Power per level depending on the FET around the 20 A.
This results in 2.5 A control of Pierre Cotnoir his coil no overheating.
Best regards Andy
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