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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 100087 times)

Offline konehead

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #345 on: March 18, 2018, 06:59:40 PM »
Hi Erfinder

Pehaps you mean that H switching will not work right, since it breaks the fields when OFF...

.rather the fields should be all connected in series like one long string with end connected to beginning and the pulsing of power into this string enters at certain "points" within this string?

Perhaps the sections of this long string do not connect via wires, but the transformer effect of the shared-slots where ends of coils meet?  (long shot idea but could be at least I am thinking about it)

Sorry about the shorted coils thing, I thought there is some bit of evidence the shared slots create this situation and hyper-ringing effect to some degree, maybe insignifigant and just causes some interference seen on the scope.





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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #346 on: March 18, 2018, 07:13:33 PM »
Hi Erfinder
H re is that drawing again by Skipperbythesea (Gary Porter) you mentioned and pulsing-sequence...
Note the drawing does not have shared-slots, rather side by side arrangement.... also note the 6 pointed star in midde of it all too....

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #347 on: March 18, 2018, 07:51:14 PM »
Message to group from Pierre

hello,
I have a question regarding a possible optimization of the dz generator.
I'm not a magnetic field specialist so I would like to know what would be a better design for the center fixed generator core. Should the center Iron core cover the whole field like the first picture or like second picture with the wire in the center of the I core like my first device?
I would like peoples opinions which I may consider using on my second prototype.

Thanks

Pierre


Text francais de Pierre
bonjour luc , j'aurait une question pour optimisé le dz générateur vu que je suis pas un spécialiste des champ magnétique j'aimerais savoir si le rotor qui génère la torsion du champ devrait-elle faire le champ au complet ou  concentrer le fil dans le centre mais sans couvrir le champ au complet. J'aimerais que quelqu'un me confirme ça pour aller chercher le maximum de puissance dans mon deuxième prototype.
merci
Pierre

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #348 on: March 18, 2018, 08:23:58 PM »
you can see the arduino program on youtube in a few minutes

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #349 on: March 18, 2018, 08:25:29 PM »
Imho, Pierre should first establish that he did what no other person has done before (as far as we know): making a self looping OU device.
To be credible, the video should show that there is no possibility of an external energy source. Proper input and load measurements (with good calibrated equipment) would be very useful. Until it has been clearly independently verified, this is a wild goose chase. This site is rife with claims that are unverified.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #350 on: March 18, 2018, 09:12:27 PM »
I'm sorry people like you who thinks I'm doing magic I thought I'd have a hand with you but I can see that you do not have any suspicion about me I just put the program on line arduino i hope you did it fast because i already took it off i did not want you to help but in the future it will make you get by without me seriously think i was working on it's concept of the generator dz for months to do more magic for those who think I wanted to make a money shot with youtube know that my account is not even paying I spent a lot of money and a lot of time in this project without expecting to have 1 cent in return I wanted to give a maximum of information for free for everyone I was offered money to continue my research but I refused too, so when you me said that nothing is proven in the free generator dz has you to believe me e or not but I know what I did and that no one else had yet to think to do and my video proves good luck to all for those who want to replicate the generator dz I will come back maybe one day with a functional prototype anyway I used to work alone to read comments like that I wonder why and thank you to the other who believes in the generator dz I think it's the future.
                                                                                                                                                                                             pierre cotnoir
bon j'en ai mare des gens comme vous qui pense que je fait de la magie je pensait avoir un coup de main de votre par mais je voie que vous n'avez de la suspicion envers moi  je venais de mettre en ligne le program de l'arduino j'espère que vous avez fait vite parceque je l'ai déja enlever  je ne voulait que vous aidez mais a l'avenir il vous feras vous débrouiller sans moi pensez vous sérieusement que j'ai travailler sur se concept du dz générateur pendant des mois pour faire de la magie ,de plus pour ceux qui pense que je voulait faire un coup d'argent avec youtube sachez que mon compte n'est même pas payant j'ai dépensé beaucoup d'argent et énormément de temps dans ce projet sans m'attendre d'avoir 1 cent en retour j'ai voulue donner une maximum d'information gratuitement pour tout le monde je me suis fait offrir de l'argent pour pousuivre mes recherche mais j'ai refuser aussi, alors quand vous me dite que rien n'est prouvez dans le dz générateur libre a vous  de me croire ou pas mais moi je sait ce que j'ai fait et que personne d'autre n'avait encore penser a faire et ma vidéo la prouve, bonne chance a tous pour ceux qui veulent répliquer le dz générateur je reviendrai peut être un jour avec un prototype fonctionel de toute façon j'ai l'habitude de travailler seul a lire des commentaire comme ca je me demande bien pourquoi et merci au autre qui croit au dz générateur je pense que c'est   l'avenir.                                                                       
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #351 on: March 18, 2018, 09:30:07 PM »
What I suggest is that Pierre makes a second prototype exactly the same and confirms that it works overunity, then after that he can start changing things, but only one by one, e.g. replace relays by transistors, check if it still works, change the shape of the center coil, check if it still works, etc.

In that way we will find out step by step what is important for the operation of this device.

With his help we have currently figured out how the coils in the stator should be winded and positioned.

What we need next is a full schematic of his setup (including the coils, relays, transistors, etc) and the Arduino sequence and timings for switching the 36 coils.

With respect to his device, most of us take him as an honest man who speaks the truth. I personally assume he is not making false claims. If he is, he should think about all the time and money people are spending here on trying to replicate his device and make suggestions to improve it.

One simple test Pierre can do is to plug in an old fashioned 100W light bulb and let it run for 5-10mins self-looped to show that the device is really self-sustainable and not running form the caps.

With respect to his question about making a different rotor:
1. A full sized round rotor would break the 3:2 asymmetry of the current device (but since we don't know it's operating principle, it's not clear if it is important to retain it).
2. A narrower center coil might be better to avoid pole fold back through the edges of center coil, but making it too narrow would increase the magnetic resistance of the center coil and allow for less flux through that coil, thus lower output.

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French translation of PmgR post

Ce que je suggère, c'est que Pierre fasse un deuxième prototype exactement le même et confirme que cela donne de la surunité, après, il peut commencer à faire des changements une chose à la fois, par ex. remplacer les relais par des transistors, vérifier si cela fonctionne encore, changer la forme de la bobine centrale, vérifier si elle fonctionne toujours, etc.
De cette façon, nous allons découvrir étape par étape ce qui est important pour le fonctionnement de cet appareil.Avec son aide, nous avons actuellement compris comment les bobines du stator doivent être enroulées et positionnées.

Ce dont nous avons besoin ensuite est un schéma complet de son installation (y compris les bobines, les relais, les transistors, etc) et la séquence Arduino et les horaires de commutation des 36 bobines.

En ce qui concerne son appareil, la plupart d'entre nous le prennent comme un homme honnête qui dit la vérité. Personnellement, je suppose qu'il ne fait pas de fausses déclarations. S'il l'est, il devrait penser à tout le temps et l'argent que les gens dépensent ici pour essayer de reproduire son appareil et faire des suggestions pour l'améliorer.

Un test simple que Pierre peut faire est de brancher une ampoule à l'ancienne de 100W et de la laisser fonctionner pendant 5 à 10 minutes en auto-boucle pour montrer que l'appareil est vraiment autosuffisant et ne fonctionne pas juste des super cap.

En ce qui concerne sa question sur la fabrication d'un rotor différent:
1. Un rotor rond de taille normale casserait l'asymétrie 3: 2 du dispositif actuel (mais puisque nous ne savons pas son principe de fonctionnement, il n'est pas clair s'il est important de le conserver).
2. Une bobine centrale plus étroite pourrait être préférable d'éviter le repliement du pôle à travers les bords de la bobine centrale, mais en la rendant trop étroite augmenterait la résistance magnétique de la bobine centrale et réduirait le flux à travers cette bobine.

PmgR
« Last Edit: March 19, 2018, 03:37:09 AM by pmgr »

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #352 on: March 18, 2018, 10:19:13 PM »
This is an Achilles heel:
SONGLE RELAY
http://www.circuitbasics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/SRD-05VDC-SL-C-Datasheet.pdf

Max. ON/OFF Switching
Mechanically   300 operation/min
Electrically        30 operation/min

Life Expectancy
Mechanically   10^7    Min. (no load)
Electrically     10^5  operations. Min. (at rated coil voltage)

So I hope the finding of real OU Can be noted fast before the relays crashes



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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #354 on: March 19, 2018, 01:04:49 AM »
Very nice job, thank you for taking the time to video the process.
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #355 on: March 19, 2018, 04:00:12 AM »
Wow Luc, simply amazing the kind of craftmanship you put into this! Great videos!

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #356 on: March 19, 2018, 04:01:36 AM »
Luc...
Could you please ask Pierre to publish his Arduino code sketch? I think our being able to examine and analyze the sketch would clear up a lot of uncertainty about how the stator is wound and electrically sequenced to produce the effect he demonstrates.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #357 on: March 19, 2018, 04:08:49 AM »
This is an Achilles heel:
SONGLE RELAY
http://www.circuitbasics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/SRD-05VDC-SL-C-Datasheet.pdf

Max. ON/OFF Switching
Mechanically   300 operation/min
Electrically        30 operation/min

Life Expectancy
Mechanically   10^7    Min. (no load)
Electrically     10^5  operations. Min. (at rated coil voltage)

So I hope the finding of real OU Can be noted fast before the relays crashes

Thanks seaad for pointing this out. The relay lifespan and maximum actuation speed puts some real practical limits on this device. Perhaps these parameters have already been exceeded, in fact. How long can the device actually operate before relays begin to fail? These relays are intended for applications such as switching power on and off to television sets, where the actuation rate is actually very low and the total actuations may be only thousands of times before the whole TV is thrown away and replaced with a new product. To achieve a 60 Hz output from Pierre's device, using a bank of these relays... 

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #358 on: March 19, 2018, 04:47:39 AM »
Very nice job, thank you for taking the time to video the process.
Garry

Thanks Garry for the appreciation :)


Wow Luc, simply amazing the kind of craftmanship you put into this! Great videos!

PmgR

Thanks PmgR for your appreciation as well


Luc...
Could you please ask Pierre to publish his Arduino code sketch? I think our being able to examine and analyze the sketch would clear up a lot of uncertainty about how the stator is wound and electrically sequenced to produce the effect he demonstrates.

francais
Luc ...
Pourriez-vous demander à Pierre de publier son croquis de code Arduino? Je pense que le fait d'être en mesure d'examiner et d'analyser le croquis éclaircirait beaucoup d'incertitude sur la façon dont le stator est enroulé et séquencé électriquement pour produire l'effet qu'il démontre.

That's been on top of my list but I didn't want to ask until I could show that I'm a serious builder, experimenter (not just a taker). I think Pierre may see that now.
Partzman has confirmed today that he received the Mega 2560R3 and 20 of the L298N H-bridge but he's still expecting more L298N ordered from Georgia, USA any day now.
So I asked him to wait to send till he receives mail tomorrow as I may need 30 H-Bridge to possibly get it to work in a similar configuration as Pierre's relays.
I will ask Pierre if he's ready to share the Arduino code sketch he wrote to operate his prototype relays so I can test my replication with it.

français
Cela a été au sommet de ma liste mais je ne voulais pas demander jusqu'à ce que je puisse montrer que je suis un constructeur, expérimentateur sérieux (pas seulement ici pour prendre).
Je pense que Pierre peut voir ça maintenant.
Partzman a confirmé aujourd'hui qu'il a reçu le Mega 2560R3 et 20 pont  L298N, mais il attend toujours pour plus de L298N commandée de la Géorgie, aux États-Unis n'importe de quel jour.
Je lui ai donc demandé d'attendre jusqu'à ce qu'il reçoive le courrier demain car il me faudrait peut-être 30 L298N pour ma réplique fonctionne dans une configuration similaire à celle des relais de Pierre.
Je vais demander a Pierre s'il est prêt à partager son croquis de code Arduino qu'il a écrit et utilisé sur son prototype afin de tester ma réplication.

Luc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #359 on: March 19, 2018, 05:03:14 AM »
Hmmm... I see DigiKey has the L298N for $43.65 for 10 units.... free energy certainly isn't cheap is it!    :'(

And this application will certainly need a printed circuit board to mount and route 30 of these devices... which by the way only handle about 2 amps per channel and will probably require heatsinks.

Has the PCB been designed yet?


(OH... now I see the module board photo. Well at least that solves some of the problems...)
It's hard for me to believe that those inexpensive modules from China will have genuine L298N parts on them, since the whole module is quite a bit cheaper than a bare chip from DigiKey.




 

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