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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 88857 times)

Offline konehead

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #285 on: March 14, 2018, 07:13:05 PM »
Hi Luc
Yes I thought that was Gyula but didn't read very good sorry...
I did not see your post from Pierre, and in meantime drew out my new drawing with the 5 colored layers....who knows maybe this is exactly the same thing Pierre is trying to get across..can you show it to him next time??.
Thanks amillion  for finding out 22GA wire and how many turns per coil...we are getting real close now and your build is going to be awesome - have fun eh!

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #286 on: March 14, 2018, 07:20:33 PM »
Hi Everyone
Just thought about that the coils should maybe be wound LHR and RHR to create N-S field in stator core between the coils and to not wind them same direction....
Also you could send in power with half the amount of switches too since the coils are in series so maybe not each "corner" in drawing being power input...not sure about that but just thinking.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #287 on: March 14, 2018, 07:20:51 PM »
22 pages in and still nobody has posted an actual timing diagram for this project?

I'm sure Mile High is ROFLHAO.

For example:

https://www.electronicshub.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Timing-diagram-1.jpg


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #287 on: March 14, 2018, 07:20:51 PM »
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #288 on: March 14, 2018, 07:53:04 PM »
@ Jeg, you've got it right.

Tested the coils time constant: https://youtu.be/WxFxnVld9-8

Please let me know if you see and error!... that includes you TK

Thanks

Luc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #289 on: March 14, 2018, 11:06:06 PM »
TinselKoala
22  pages...
can we subtract the 10 pages of reasons why we should not be doing this??
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MileHigh rolling around on the floor laughing at the members here?

what else is new.......... not sure we needed to be reminded .

I have heard from plenty of members just how happy they are to read this thread
and how wonderful it is to see fellows from all around the globe working together...
while we still can..

This is not Luc's first summer and he has stated many times he is intrigued... as are many others here.

Now that the fellows have things sorted,  maybe Milehigh can fill out this sequencing /timing chart and send it back
https://www.electronicshub.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Timing-diagram-1.jpg
just so we get it right.....

Luc's Vid again
 https://youtu.be/WxFxnVld9-8


Nothing but gratitude for these fellows and what they are doing here.

Chet K



 

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #289 on: March 14, 2018, 11:06:06 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #290 on: March 15, 2018, 12:04:08 AM »
TinselKoala
22  pages...
can we subtract the 10 pages of reasons why we should not be doing this??


10 pages? Are you sure you don't mean "10 posts" ?

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MileHigh rolling around on the floor laughing at the members here?

what else is new.......... not sure we needed to be reminded .


You (and others) might not like it, but MileHigh is absolutely correct: this project (and many others) would be much clearer
and easier to analyze if Pierre and others working on this would publish complete Timing Diagrams. This is just basic reverse-
engineering practice. Are you afraid of Timing Diagrams? Were you frightened by a Timing/Dwell Meter at an early age?

Of course such information may turn out to be ... TOO revealing.

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I have heard from plenty of members just how happy they are to read this thread
and how wonderful it is to see fellows from all around the globe working together...
while we still can..

This is not Luc's first summer and he has stated many times he is intrigued... as are many others here.

Now that the fellows have things sorted,  maybe Milehigh can fill out this sequencing /timing chart and send it back
https://www.electronicshub.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Timing-diagram-1.jpg
just so we get it right.....


Mile High knows we need timing diagrams, but what makes you think it is HIS responsibility to provide one? Surely
this is the responsibility of the original claimant and those who are actively trying to replicate what he claims.

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Luc's Vid again
 https://youtu.be/WxFxnVld9-8


Nothing but gratitude for these fellows and what they are doing here.

Chet K

We'll see how grateful everyone is in a few months, when we are cooking our cheezburgers on all the Free Energy coming from
Pierre-systems.

Or not.



Cart before horse. Confirm that the claimant actually has what he claims... that is absolutely STEP ONE. Especially in something as complex
as this. Otherwise you are taking a big risk that all your time and effort and money will be wasted. And especially when the claimant has some
other, even more dodgy claims. Why isn't anyone rushing to build his "100 % Overunity" Mo-Gen-Flywheel device, that doesn't even need any
timing diagrams at all?  I know why... and so do you.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #291 on: March 15, 2018, 12:25:39 AM »
22 pages in and still nobody has posted an actual timing diagram for this project?

I'm sure Mile High is ROFLHAO.

For example:

https://www.electronicshub.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Timing-diagram-1.jpg

Keeping track of the page count isn't going to get you to where one could be done, or posted.

Mile High may be doing just that, funny but so what?

What is not funny is that a bright guy like you: doesn't, won't, or is unable to see and understand what you surely do see this machine IS doing to be able to make one. In reality the only thing I see stopping you from doing so - IS you.

Then again: I don't know and perhaps you are not supposed to comprehend it, and perhaps you never will.

The silver lining in all the above is: You have abilities and can think therefore you might, recall your own insightful words to another and elsewhere/previously to me;

Energy is stored in  . . . . . ..  You get back what you put in, minus losses. You can get the energy out at greater _power_ levels than you put it in ... over a shorter time period.

But only by your very own will. Because when you put nothing in you get back just WHAT YOU PUT IN: nothing.

Moreover, rather than just raising Cain: When WILL you be Able?

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #291 on: March 15, 2018, 12:25:39 AM »
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #292 on: March 15, 2018, 12:46:00 AM »
Hi,
Interesting  :)

If I did not misunderstand something, it seems to me that so many relays and switches is not necessary at all?
Clearly 2 will be enough for one pulse circle, one for each 90 degrees and then it is repeated. Probably more precise if it is taken care of equality.

At the point where poles are direct in front of the static rotor or elsewhere, I don’t see anything else then transformer in action?

(But possible opposing magnetic field from the static rotor (secondary coil) is not acting
 in the same way against the magnetic field in whole core (primary) with multiple polarity coils closed by itself,
 so the magnitude of the change in magnetic field strength (flux) probably not causing significant less EMF in the stator winding (primary).)
Hopefully we shall see.

Also seems to me that any closed core will work so far we have even number of poles 2,4,6,8...
we just mimic movement of the SN around without collapsing.

Thanks

d.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #293 on: March 15, 2018, 03:34:10 AM »
Pierre posted a new video, but I am not sure how to understand it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh4cC9hIXbg


He has 36 coils connected in series in a loop which I understand, but I don't understand how he says six coils make one coil. So schematic is clear, but not how it corresponds to the physical structure.


PmgR

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #294 on: March 15, 2018, 05:49:58 AM »
Pierre posted a new video, but I am not sure how to understand it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh4cC9hIXbg

He has 36 coils connected in series in a loop which I understand, but I don't understand how he says six coils make one coil. So schematic is clear, but not how it corresponds to the physical structure.

PmgR

Pierre posted that video because of my video to him made him realize why he may be getting the not so clean step wave form. This was his attempt to consider making changes. However, I warned him by PM and youtube to not make any changes (unless he has a 2nd device) until one of us can replicate what he has demonstrated.  Since who knows, maybe what he thinks is not correct is actually what makes this work?

Pierre has confirm to me twice now that I have it correct and that all coil slots will end up double coils. So 72 coils in total his 36 slot and it will be 60 coils in my 30 slot.
I'll be mounting all my 60 recovery diodes around the perimeter of the stator in effort to reduce wire resistance.
Also, I will wind only about 10 slots and send a video to Pierre to get his approval that it's indeed the method he used before going any further.

BTW, PmgR and I have been having phone conversations so we are both on the same page. If konehead wants to talk by phone just send me your number at: gotoluc2@gmail.com

Regards

Luc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #295 on: March 15, 2018, 06:35:43 AM »
Keeping track of the page count isn't going to get you to where one could be done, or posted.

Mile High may be doing just that, funny but so what?

What is not funny is that a bright guy like you: doesn't, won't, or is unable to see and understand what you surely do see this machine IS doing to be able to make one. In reality the only thing I see stopping you from doing so - IS you.

Then again: I don't know and perhaps you are not supposed to comprehend it, and perhaps you never will.

The silver lining in all the above is: You have abilities and can think therefore you might, recall your own insightful words to another and elsewhere/previously to me;

But only by your very own will. Because when you put nothing in you get back just WHAT YOU PUT IN: nothing.

Moreover, rather than just raising Cain: When WILL you be Able?

Oh? Well, thank you for your assessment. What's keeping _you_ from doing so?

Maybe this will help:

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-13/tesla-polyphase-induction-motors/

I will admit to this much: I don't understand where the excess energy is supposed to come from. But I see many loss mechanisms that are easy to understand.
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(Ramset, you seldom watch videos, I know, but you really should watch this one, it's a thing of beauty you will appreciate.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC_hXGdaSFg

Others may also be interested in the wiring diagram shown at 5:09 in the above video. Replicators of Pierre's device may care to make their own versions of this standard diagram format, showing their connections, and of course the constructions will have to take into account that there are two coils in each slot instead of a single one.


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #296 on: March 15, 2018, 09:35:19 AM »
Dear Pierre,
I think the problem of the distorted waveform of the output of your machine is not caused by the winding pattern of your stator. I think the problem is caused by the winding of your output-coil.
If you want to achieve a clean wave form, the output coil will have to be wound and positioned as careful as your stator.
In order to find the proper postion of the output coil(s) you could wind just very few turns on your laminated core and watch the result on the scope, while changing/shifting the positon of theses windings.
Maybe you want to investigate this before winding a new stator.

I also want to take the opportunity to thank you for your openness about the system.

And thirdly I want to recommend that you take a look at the patents of Clemente Figuera - if you don't know him. This man has invented a very similar system before the first world war. He just did not use relays to switch the input but used a complex commutator.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #297 on: March 15, 2018, 09:42:11 AM »
just stupid question. wouldnt it be possible to simulate same effects by rotating brushless motor stator and keep rotor static?
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #298 on: March 15, 2018, 09:59:51 AM »
Hi Gyulvan sp?
AKA an "outrunner" spinning the stator around fixed rotor. It will work, you need to bring wires out through hollow shaft or whatever you can think of....problem is you will encounter lenz law braking of the rotating stator upon loading  -  unless you can find some sort of sweet spot to rpms and impedance of coils like Thane Karl Heinz delayed lenz effect...

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #299 on: March 15, 2018, 10:16:42 AM »
Pierre posted that video because of my video to him made him realize why he may be getting the not so clean step wave form. This was his attempt to consider making changes. However, I warned him by PM and youtube to not make any changes (unless he has a 2nd device) until one of us can replicate what he has demonstrated.  Since who knows, maybe what he thinks is not correct is actually what makes this work?

Pierre has confirm to me twice now that I have it correct and that all coil slots will end up double coils. So 72 coils in total his 36 slot and it will be 60 coils in my 30 slot.
I'll be mounting all my 60 recovery diodes around the perimeter of the stator in effort to reduce wire resistance.
Also, I will wind only about 10 slots and send a video to Pierre to get his approval that it's indeed the method he used before going any further.

BTW, PmgR and I have been having phone conversations so we are both on the same page. If konehead wants to talk by phone just send me your number at: gotoluc2@gmail.com

Regards

Luc

Hi Gotoluc,

Each coil has 2 sides, so you only need 36 coils lapped to put 2 sides in each slot. Pierre is only showing 36 coils and looking at the stator you can see the coils are lapped.

Also he is using 72 single pole relays.

The coils remain in a series loop connection, irrespective of switching, so I am not sure that energy is being recovered into the cap bank when a coil is turned off, it could be returned as stator flux.

Regards
L192

 

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