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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 68951 times)

Offline konehead

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #270 on: March 14, 2018, 10:19:13 AM »
Hi Pmrg
I see the same thing as you - look at my blurry drawing and see the colored sequence (red black blue green yellow)
In Pierres drawing of the switched pulsing showing the overlap, (4th image Luc put up) it shows a direct connection between one pulsed phase and the next, so I do not think the pulsed phases are "side by side" but maybe (!?!) ....we really need to get this cleared up it is easy to think a sequence of 6 and  a "span" of 7  and to think the sequence of 6 is a span of 6 perhaps this is what Pierre meant all along....Luc can you ask?
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #271 on: March 14, 2018, 11:18:38 AM »

Last note:Jeg, you are correct, take one more look at my images. For Config010, two neighboring slots have current running in the same direction, Config012 has current running in opposite direction. Config010 makes a much better poled field towards the center of the stator. Config012 appears to be creating another pole in between the two wire slots.


Thanks for confirming this.

1. Pierre said six poles nsnsns. But also stated that perhaps the system can also work with 2 or 3 poles. By saying 3 poles (odd number) shows that he means poles that they are the one next to the other and not poles that they are diametrically opposite in the cycle of stator. Three poles indicate a NSN configuration. So it is safe to assume that when speaking about nsnsns he means poles that they are the one next to the other.

2. Pierre also spoke about a possible usage of a regulator at the input. That confirms the problem of the transformer effect that needs to be balanced for the creation of a uniform magnetic field vs Time.

Regards

 

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #272 on: March 14, 2018, 11:36:59 AM »
Maybe he will help :)

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #273 on: March 14, 2018, 12:45:26 PM »
This I believe is Pierre's scheme before he overlapped adjacent coils for a short period.
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 Start:

Observe polarities

 N        S          N           S         N          S
1-6     7-12   13-18   19-24   25-30   31-36
Switching Sequence:
1,7,13,19,25,31  = ON previous coils =OFF
2,8,14,20,26,32 = ON Previous coils =OFF
3,9,15,21,27,33 = ON Previous coils =OFF
4,10,16,22,28,34 = ON Previous coils =OFF
5,11,17,23,29,35 = ON Previous coils =OFF
6,12,18,24,30,36 = ON Previous coils =OFF
Change polarities, as below and repeat switching sequence:
 S         N          S           N           S          N
1-6     7-12   13-18   19-24   25-30   31-36
Then back to start.
 


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #274 on: March 14, 2018, 12:49:54 PM »
Maybe he will help :)
Hi r2fpl,
Very nice image. This is exactly what I simulated in the Config010 image. I note that although this does give the 6 NSNSNS poles this does not give an evenly spread pole (see how Config010 is not evenly spaced compared to Config012).
Can you make a similar drawing for my other sequence (7 slot span instead of 6, see my previous post for the exact numbers)? You will get an interleaved pattern of colors and it will correspond to Confi012.
Then Luc can send these images to Pierre and Pierre can pick the correct one and finish that one by making the connections between the 36 coils.
PmgR



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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #275 on: March 14, 2018, 01:41:45 PM »
PMGR: Simulation only for even poles :(


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #276 on: March 14, 2018, 03:06:00 PM »
hi
attached edited konehead picture . shouldnt   sequence be like in picture i attached in order to make full 360 degrees rotation?
cause some magic numbers seems missing :)

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #277 on: March 14, 2018, 03:50:47 PM »
 
Salut Pierre, peux-tu regarder un vidéo en français que j'ai faite pour toi et s.v.p. confirmer si le bobinage de mon stator est correct.
Il y a encore beaucoup de confusion au forum sur le sujet et ton aide pour confirmer cela dès que possible serait grandement appréciée.

Lien vers la vidéo: https://youtu.be/kjWRzd3qKIM

Merci pour ton temps

Luc

English translation
Hi Pierre, can you please look at the French video I made for you and confirm if my stator coil winding is correct.
There is still much confusion at the forum on the subject and your help to confirm this as soon as posible would be greatly appreciated.

Link to video: https://youtu.be/kjWRzd3qKIM

Thanks for your time

Luc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #278 on: March 14, 2018, 03:57:17 PM »
Hi Gyula
The red wire you drew within stators that connect through adjacent poles is how it must be and that seems correct. The pole numbers are also correct, the rest of it forget about it eh!
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The last drawing I put up with the question marks was meant to show that this method does not work out right,  (and has not  the adjacent poles in it like yours does) 

 If winding (weaving) the one "good-wire" as shown in your drawing (the red inner wire not the rest of the mess outside the frames)

This red wire would go DOWN through slot 6 then come back UP through slot 7 (adjacent slot) and the jump again over to the slot 12 go DOWN through that, then UP through 13 and so on....(weaving) Finally the beginning of wire connects to the end of red wire too, so a completed circle.....Pierre mentioned intertwined or interweaving wires....so this describes how it will be when everything is connected up and there will be fiver circuiar "strings" within the "rope" of circular wires...

All ends of the coils must connect together, as Pierre clearly showed in this drawing of his switching circuit so seems there are 5 connected-ends circles to the stator wiring....note there should be in finished product, 2 wires per slot.....

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #279 on: March 14, 2018, 04:02:48 PM »
Hi Gyula

Hey Doug, is your message for Gyula or for gyvulys666 who just posted above your post?

Luc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #280 on: March 14, 2018, 04:32:14 PM »
Hi Gyula
The red wire you drew within stators that connect through adjacent poles is how it must be and that seems correct. The pole numbers are also correct, the rest of it forget about it eh!
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Hi Doug,

As Luc indicated, you may have taken member gyvulys666 as if he was me.  Of course his first name could be Gyula as well,  I do not know him. 

Greetings,
Gyula

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #281 on: March 14, 2018, 05:27:59 PM »
Hi Gyula
The red wire you drew within stators that connect through adjacent poles is how it must be and that seems correct. The pole numbers are also correct, the rest of it forget about it eh!
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The last drawing I put up with the question marks was meant to show that this method does not work out right,  (and has not  the adjacent poles in it like yours does) 

 If winding (weaving) the one "good-wire" as shown in your drawing (the red inner wire not the rest of the mess outside the frames)

This red wire would go DOWN through slot 6 then come back UP through slot 7 (adjacent slot) and the jump again over to the slot 12 go DOWN through that, then UP through 13 and so on....(weaving) Finally the beginning of wire connects to the end of red wire too, so a completed circle.....Pierre mentioned intertwined or interweaving wires....so this describes how it will be when everything is connected up and there will be fiver circuiar "strings" within the "rope" of circular wires...

All ends of the coils must connect together, as Pierre clearly showed in this drawing of his switching circuit so seems there are 5 connected-ends circles to the stator wiring....note there should be in finished product, 2 wires per slot.....
Too many options to wind this.... the above is another possibility. But for this case, you get a red wire looping back on itself and it is only occupying 12 slots total. Let's say you do the same for the other color wires and loop them back on themselves. Then you have 36 slots filled, but then how do each of these colored wires then connect to each other?


Another ways is to span 7 slots with this method. Then you will fill all slots going around and all of them will be in series.

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« Reply #282 on: March 14, 2018, 06:29:06 PM »
Okay guys, it's all sorted out. The winding method I suggested happen to be what Pierre used. The below is Pierre's reply (translated to English) of my French video to him.
Believe it or not the wire I chose (seen in my video) is 22 awg and exactly the size Pierre used. Not only that but my coil is 36 turns and Pierre used 35 turns.
So no more discussion needed. Let's move on with correct Femm testing and replications.

Regards
Luc

Pierre's reply
Hello Luc,
yes, that's exactly what I did two interlaced coils in each slot.
I use 22 awg but a smaller wire could have done the job.
I made 35 turn per coil and it was a very tight fit in the available slot space.
Tonight I'll write back to you because I think I found the problem of my wave form and I'll have to redraw my electrical schematic

Pierre

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #283 on: March 14, 2018, 06:48:51 PM »
Hi Luc
Thanks for what you are doing. Your video is very clear even in French. If I understand, when stator is ready every slot contains two coils?

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #284 on: March 14, 2018, 07:03:04 PM »
Hi Everyone
Here is best I can do explaining how I think the windings of Pierre's stators goes - note that the 12 "corners" of the 6 poles created in each layer is where you would hook up the power input connections......everything comes out even with 6 poles now you just have to pulse them NSNSNS and get that "switching-overlap" timing thing happening too so there is never an off period....the "free energy" comes from the "jump across", and the 4 windings are "trapped" between the coils on each end, so the field wants to collapse but cannot, and they can only "try" to, so this energy is sent through diodes to fill caps. This is the theory of secret person who lurks on this board, he explained it to me why the free energy is because of the wrap over the encased winds....not sure about that but good theory I think best I have heard so far.

 

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