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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 68949 times)

Offline memoryman

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #255 on: March 13, 2018, 09:23:35 PM »
TK, there is no good energy in/out measurement. Also, nothing in the videos rules out hidden power supplies/wires.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #257 on: March 13, 2018, 10:33:19 PM »
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #258 on: March 13, 2018, 10:41:18 PM »
TK, there is no good energy in/out measurement. Also, nothing in the videos rules out hidden power supplies/wires.

Oh, I agree.

But you must admit that the claim is _zero_ input power, shown by disconnecting the power input from the mains (allegedly), and a large enough power output to drive the microwave oven long enough to heat up some water. Those "measurements" IF TRUE would be good enough to show excess energy out vs. in.

Which is why I say the replicators are jumping the gun. Let's see some real proof that the claims are true before people spend a lot of time and money trying to replicate. There are many ways to provide real proof. Site visit by competent and trustworthy investigators from this forum, or inspection at a real laboratory with interest in such matters, or even just getting some graduate EE students or professors from the local university to visit, examine, test and report under their real names ...

But I predict none of these things will happen. And I know why not ... and so do you.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #259 on: March 13, 2018, 10:46:29 PM »
"But I predict none of these things will happen. And I know why not ... and so do you." indeed.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #260 on: March 13, 2018, 11:01:08 PM »
He put that tiny "Mo-Gen-Flywheel apparatus" on Y.T. to pretend look like a moron. That's because of security reasons to avoid the government secret guys when he releases the REAL THING.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #261 on: March 13, 2018, 11:07:09 PM »
"He put that tiny "Mo-Gen-Flywheel apparatus" on Y.T. to pretend look like a moron. That's because of security reasons to avoid the government secret guys when he releases the REAL THING." he certainly succeeded; maybe looks are not deceptive and he actually looks like what he is, just like  Gerard Morin.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #262 on: March 13, 2018, 11:11:21 PM »
Yes, that is correct regarding having two coils on at the same time. But look at his blue LEDs: there are always two on next to each other. But total only 6 are on (3 sets of 2 LEDs spaced at 8-10-12 "off LEDs" as mentioned before), so he is switching 6 coils total (not 12) per step. E.g. he will switch the 6 coils in slots 1-2, 11-12, 23-24, then it shifts to slots 2-3, 12-13, 24-25, etc. on the next step.

I have verified that this will generate the six poles NSNSNS that Pierre mentions. I am going to write this up in a PDF with clear images once I have some more time.

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Hi PmgR,

Seaad posted in another forum "I have toggled the film frame by frame and found that it is always between 6 -12 relay LEDs lit simultaneously"

It may be the overlap is only 1ms, so easily missed that 12 coils are on at the same time?

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #263 on: March 13, 2018, 11:26:31 PM »
Stator re-winding update: https://youtu.be/Yp8FFPQ2E7M

Hi Luc,

Before you start on winding, I have a quick update on the simulations.

I am not sure what winding span Pierre is using but if it is 6, it doesn't produce a nice even field around the stator (see that attached image Config010).

For a 36 slot stator, the ideal configuration for 6 poles happens when each coil spans 7 slots, so wire in slot 1 (let's saying going up) and return wire going down into slot 7 (wire going down), the next windings will go:

01-07 08-14 15-21 22-28 29-35 36-06
07-13 14-20 21-27 28-34 35-05 06-12
13-19 20-26 27-33 34-04 05-11 12-18
19-25 26-32 33-03 04-10 11-17 18-24
25-31 32-02 03-09 10-16 17-23 24-30
31-01 02-08 09-05 16-22 23-29 30-36

So you start at slot 1 and end at slot 36 and exactly 6x6=36 windings.

Please see the attached to image (Config012). I removed the output coil for clarity in these simulations.

Please double check with Pierre if he has his coils covered 6 slots or 7. If he is only covering 6 slots, his field won't be perfect going around 360deg along the stator.

Applying the same logic to your stator, to get an even field, you would need each coil to span 6 slots, so this would mean the following for your stator:
01-06 07-12 13-18 19-24 25-30
01-06 07-12 13-18 19-24 25-30
01-06 07-12 13-18 19-24 25-30
01-06 07-12 13-18 19-24 25-30
01-06 07-12 13-18 19-24 25-30

You see the problem with this: you would be filling up the same slot going around. So there is a problem with trying to get this done on this 30 slot stator. Looks like 36 slots is a magic number. 

I tried a 5 slot coil span and a 7 span coil span as well, but they have a similar problem:

5 slot coil span:
01-05 06-10 11-15 16-20 21-25 26-30
01-05 06-10 11-15 16-20 21-25 26-30
etc.

7 slot coil span:
01-07 08-14 15-21 22-28 29-05
06-12 13-19 20-26 27-03
04-10 11-17 18-24 25-02
03-09 10-16 17-23 24-30

So this is not going to work either. You would only end up with only 17 coils before the same slot starts refilling.

Last try: 10 slot coil span:
01-10 11-20 21-30
01-10 11-20 21-30

Same problem here, so I give up. I don't think you can get a nice 6 poles field with 30 slots.

Magic number appears to be 36 (=3*3*4, 4*9, 3*6)

Maybe it is better to get a 36 poles stator instead of trying to spend your time winding this one.

Last note:
To my humble opinion, when two or more coils are overlapping, meaning that they have a common core area, then the transformer effect takes place. That means if both of the coils (which actually act as two primaries)are pushing a North to the same direction, then the induced currents between each other will reduce the flow of the current from the source (battery or caps bank) to both of the coils. The outcome will be a North of a much lower intensity than when one coil is in action.
Jeg, you are correct, take one more look at my images. For Config010, two neighboring slots have current running in the same direction, Config012 has current running in opposite direction. Config010 makes a much better poled field towards the center of the stator. Config012 appears to be creating another pole in between the two wire slots.


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #263 on: March 13, 2018, 11:26:31 PM »
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #264 on: March 13, 2018, 11:55:00 PM »
Why guys are you're always aiming towards a BIG contraption? I'm always searching for "the OU effect" and that can be done with small units.
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #265 on: March 14, 2018, 12:08:21 AM »

@PmgR, maybe this video will clear up the misunderstanding:  https://youtu.be/6vxqT2HyX5E

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #266 on: March 14, 2018, 01:10:47 AM »
@PmgR, maybe this video will clear up the misunderstanding:  https://youtu.be/6vxqT2HyX5E
Hi Luc, clear video. I understand what your are doing now with the winding. You are putting two coils in the same slot so you need 6*(6-1)=30 slots.

For Pierre's case, I think we need to get clarification from him how exactly he has wound the stator. What I assumed in my latest simulations is that a coil runs over 7 slots and the next coil is in the neighboring slot (see my number sequence above).

01-07 08-14 15-21 22-28 29-35 36-06
07-13 14-20 21-27 28-34 35-05 06-12
13-19 20-26 27-33 34-04 05-11 12-18
19-25 26-32 33-03 04-10 11-17 18-24
25-31 32-02 03-09 10-16 17-23 24-30
31-01 02-08 09-05 16-22 23-29 30-36

Yet he could also have done it like you did in your video: spanning 7 slots and have the neighboring coils in the same slot, then he would get the following sequence:
01-07 07-13 13-19 19-25 25-31 31-01
02-08 08-14 14-20 20-26 26-32 32-02
03-09 09-15 15-21 21-27 27-33 33-03
04-10 10-16 16-22 22-28 28-34 34-04
05-11 11-17 17-23 23-29 29-35 35-05
06-12 12-18 18-24 24-30 30-36 36-06

So we need to ask him which one he did and what coils are connected to each other as there are many options to interconnect these coils in a (closed loop) series manner.

PmgR

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #267 on: March 14, 2018, 02:21:45 AM »
Hi Luc, clear video. I understand what your are doing now with the winding. You are putting two coils in the same slot so you need 6*(6-1)=30 slots.

For Pierre's case, I think we need to get clarification from him how exactly he has wound the stator. What I assumed in my latest simulations is that a coil runs over 7 slots and the next coil is in the neighboring slot (see my number sequence above).

01-07 08-14 15-21 22-28 29-35 36-06
07-13 14-20 21-27 28-34 35-05 06-12
13-19 20-26 27-33 34-04 05-11 12-18
19-25 26-32 33-03 04-10 11-17 18-24
25-31 32-02 03-09 10-16 17-23 24-30
31-01 02-08 09-05 16-22 23-29 30-36

Yet he could also have done it like you did in your video: spanning 7 slots and have the neighboring coils in the same slot, then he would get the following sequence:
01-07 07-13 13-19 19-25 25-31 31-01
02-08 08-14 14-20 20-26 26-32 32-02
03-09 09-15 15-21 21-27 27-33 33-03
04-10 10-16 16-22 22-28 28-34 34-04
05-11 11-17 17-23 23-29 29-35 35-05
06-12 12-18 18-24 24-30 30-36 36-06

So we need to ask him which one he did and what coils are connected to each other as there are many options to interconnect these coils in a (closed loop) series manner.

PmgR

Glad that cleared it up.
I'm quite sure Pierre wired his double coils per slot and why he has 72 relays and 72 diodes since you can't recover flyback from a single coil when AC is used, right?... the only way one could do it is to use an active diode switch which would flip the diode direction before the next pulse. We know Pierre did not do that, so I think it's safe to say I've got it right.
One way or the other before I start winding I'll make a French video for him and explain how I plan to wind just to make sure we are on the same page.

Thanks for your time and help

Regards

Luc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #268 on: March 14, 2018, 07:52:11 AM »
I tested some Solid state relays:

Mager MGR-1 DD220D40  (5-220 VDC in:3-32 VDC)
 On time Delay 1.28  ms
 Off time Delay 1.28 ms


Fotek SSR-80 DD  (5-60 VDC in 3-32 VDC)
 On time delay 0.56 ms
 Off time Delay 1.84 ms

I used a scope to get the times, your mileage will vary with input voltage higher to faster, and you could use a pull-down 10k for off time.

You maybe can source faster ones but cost will be higher..

edit; Writing the code is Not hard at all for the Mega 2650 sorry typo! its a SainSmart MEGA-2560
I'll try to upload some code for switching SSR's

Plus you would need back to back SSR's to stop destroying the Mosfets plus a fuse connecting the pairs just for safety, like a 30 amp for a 40 amp SSR.
That's maybe why he used the Relays...

Mike
« Last Edit: March 14, 2018, 05:50:11 PM by mikegarla »

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #269 on: March 14, 2018, 10:11:16 AM »
Hi all
I am not "promoting" SSR switching, just saying it can be done but too expensive for one thing  (and lots of other ways to switch) and also I hope someone replicates exactly what Pierre does and gets the looping and OU.....

Also I have serious problems with the magic numbers that Pierre gave out, I think he was mistaken, or else the pattern continures "staggered" on position, or else it is supposed to "stop" at 36 pole and not continue....please look at at this revised drawing I did to make it clear what I was also talking about a few days ago - it gets out of sequence at end of string of phases if you do the 1-6 2-7 etc thing take a look here:


 

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