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Offline gotoluc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #240 on: March 13, 2018, 02:51:42 PM »
Thanks Chet for arranging that.
You're the liaison man!... for years silently working in the background on daily communications with a group of researchers,  arranging Skype meeting to encourage and help connect all the different talents together in order to expedite experiments in free energy research.

Just want to say thanks for your years of endless non rewarding efforts and let others that may not know you to consider contacting you and offer their talents or financial support to the group.

Kind regards

Luc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #241 on: March 13, 2018, 04:23:50 PM »
Luc
just rowing and Bailing.... been taken on water for quite some time...

a privilege to do what I can here.
would be nice to set some sail and chart a course.

 also there are a few nice open source projects in the works here [some member issues stalled things this last month]
 The EEEE project, the "Fernandez Feb 9 manifesto investigation" and
hopefully member Turbo has some experiments on the TPU  [he is waiting for Stefan to get the new forum update done ]

also some standing wave experiments which I have to Talk with a friend of ours about [hopefully soon]


 truly are some amazing fellows here and elsewhere , the depth of talent and zeal seems limitless in these open source forums
and as always , it is good to see this "working together" .......... regardless the outcome .

Much respect and gratitude
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #242 on: March 13, 2018, 06:30:05 PM »


Stator re-winding update: https://youtu.be/Yp8FFPQ2E7M

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #243 on: March 13, 2018, 07:03:49 PM »

I want to toss out one thought that has been nagging at me regarding substituting solid state devices for the relays.   This is just a vague feeling that there may be some importance in keeping mechanical relays.  I won't try to explain it but I believe other people here may know what I mean and I think some have made reference to it possibly affecting the outcome of a build.   Anyway it's just a thought to keep in mind in case a build doesn't work out using solid state.  BTW I just checked dhgate.com for some 12 volt 20 amp relays.  I found with just a quick search they can be had for around $1.50 a piece if we needed to go that way.

I agree that it is great to see all the talent and great minds in this thread!   It's very encouraging to see everyone here working together so well.   I was also looking at getting the dual H bridges for Luc but saw the ebay seller only ships to the 48 CONUS.   Much thanks to partzman although I am guessing the ebay seller will need to ship first to partzman and then partzman will need to ship to you Luc since you are in Canada IIRC ?   In my past experience shipping to Canada is a bit slow so I'd expect parts to arrive more likely a week or so after March 19th. 

    I'm following along in this thread but don't have a lot to contribute as I know most people here are so far above my knowledge in this area especially when it comes to coils and magnetic fields.   I recall seeing konehead some 20 years ago at an Energy conference in California doing his magic with coils and motors so I was glad to see Doug show up here with all his experience and I know many others here are some of the best of the best builders and brains in this arena.   And a sincere thanks to Pierre for putting up his videos and openly sharing all the info which got all this started!   Carry on!

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #244 on: March 13, 2018, 07:40:57 PM »
This is a classic case of "cart before horse". The +first+ thing that should be done, before anyone spends time and effort on replication, is _confirmation_ that Pierre actually has what he has claimed to have. Instead of spending money and time on building something that isn't even what Pierre demonstrated in the first place, the time and money should go towards financing a site visit to Pierre's location. And I don't mean a "PESN" style "ohh-ahh" visit with no real examination. This is an earth-shattering, paradigm-shifting, Nobel-prize-winning claim IF TRUE, and should be examined with a fine toothed comb (and all appropriate and necessary test equipment) before anyone gets all excited about it.

How much would it cost to send Luc up to Ontario to visit with Pierre and do a complete examination of the original device? I think a "sugar daddy" might be found to finance the whole trip, while the rest of the investigators sit back and wait for confirmation and more precise build instructions (IF the claims turn out to be true.)

Meanwhile, while waiting for some real confirmation, why not work on replicating Pierre's other, much more simpler Mo-Gen-Flywheel apparatus, also touted by him as being 100 percent OU? Anyone with skills should be able to put that one together in a couple of hours. If it turns out to be genuinely OU, _or not_, that may also tell us something about the reliability of his other claims, no?

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #245 on: March 13, 2018, 07:50:54 PM »
Hi E2matrix
Me too, in thinking what might happen is the change to solid state using mosfets or whatever from the noisy mechanical relays that Pierre uses is going to snuff out much of the CEMF or backemf/recoil energy coming out backwards and through the diodes from the switching.....

Gary Porter was saying that you can buy mosfets with no "protection diodes" within them....I don't know the model numbers or anything however, these might be the right thing to use if there are problems going to solid state switching....  Does anyone know model numbers or type of these? (I should ask GP I guess too)
..perhaps mosfets paralleled to lower and lower that resistance of switch when closed might be needed...
Ideal would be the resistance of a simple mechanical switch when switch is closed which would be say .02 ohms....
Another idea for switching  is to simply build or have built common copper commutator with spring loaded carbon brushes....say two 18 pole commutators (one for N one for S pulsing)  and a couple brushes on each (or three to do the overlap period?)  Some sort of pulse width control  too would be ideal....now it would be dead-reliable even EMP proof...anyways just some more ideas and thoughts...



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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #246 on: March 13, 2018, 08:09:10 PM »
Mosfets do not contain "protection diodes". They have "body diodes" that are a consequence of how they are constructed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_MOSFET#Body_diode

Mosfets are available that have very low on-state resistance, much less than "0.02 ohms" in many cases. But they all have the body diode. If you are looking for a fast switching element that does not contain this diode, you are not looking for a mosfet.

Paralleling mosfets has its own set of problems. One must insure that the load is shared equally among the paralleled mosfets or you will wind up blowing a lot of parts.





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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #247 on: March 13, 2018, 08:21:28 PM »
TK, exactly my sentiments. I live in Ontario (approx 1 hr west of Toronto) and may be willing to partake.
I have grave doubts about the validity of his claims and the methodology of Pierre. Look at his prior videos of 'free energy' devices and you'll see what I mean.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #248 on: March 13, 2018, 08:32:34 PM »
This is a classic case of "cart before horse". The +first+ thing that should be done, before anyone spends time and effort on replication, is _confirmation_ that Pierre actually has what he has claimed to have.

 why not work on replicating Pierre's other, much more simpler Mo-Gen-Flywheel apparatus, also touted by him as being 100 percent OU?  If it turns out to be genuinely OU, _or not_, that may also tell us something about the reliability of his other claims, no?
==> TinselKoala :) :)
But it seems to be a very costly and time consuming hoax !!

Mo-Gen-Flywheel apparatus:  √©nergie gratuite a 100% fr : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6cJmVdeyYU
I come to think of  that_prophet with his pulleys.


And about relays : http://www.pickeringrelay.com/2016/04/07/reed-relay-comparison/

Regards / Arne
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #249 on: March 13, 2018, 08:34:37 PM »
I want to toss out one thought that has been nagging at me regarding substituting solid state devices for the relays.   This is just a vague feeling that there may be some importance in keeping mechanical relays.  I won't try to explain it but I believe other people here may know what I mean and I think some have made reference to it possibly affecting the outcome of a build.   Anyway it's just a thought to keep in mind in case a build doesn't work out using solid state.  BTW I just checked dhgate.com for some 12 volt 20 amp relays.  I found with just a quick search they can be had for around $1.50 a piece if we needed to go that way.

Thanks e2matrix. I did think of the difference. If solid state fails then I will have to try with relays just to be sure.

This is a classic case of "cart before horse". The +first+ thing that should be done, before anyone spends time and effort on replication, is _confirmation_ that Pierre actually has what he has claimed to have. Instead of spending money and time on building something that isn't even what Pierre demonstrated in the first place, the time and money should go towards financing a site visit to Pierre's location. And I don't mean a "PESN" style "ohh-ahh" visit with no real examination. This is an earth-shattering, paradigm-shifting, Nobel-prize-winning claim IF TRUE, and should be examined with a fine toothed comb (and all appropriate and necessary test equipment) before anyone gets all excited about it.

How much would it cost to send Luc up to Ontario to visit with Pierre and do a complete examination of the original device? I think a "sugar daddy" might be found to finance the whole trip, while the rest of the investigators sit back and wait for confirmation and more precise build instructions (IF the claims turn out to be true.)

Meanwhile, while waiting for some real confirmation, why not work on replicating Pierre's other, much more simpler Mo-Gen-Flywheel apparatus, also touted by him as being 100 percent OU? Anyone with skills should be able to put that one together in a couple of hours. If it turns out to be genuinely OU, _or not_, that may also tell us something about the reliability of his other claims, no?

What you say is true and makes some sense TK. However, the reality, practicality and price difference for me or someone else to visit Pierre in the Quebec area (if he would agree) would probably be costlier then to just build and test it.
So far it hasn't cost me a dime and I don't expect it will since we are all working together. A trip back and forth to visit Pierre could easily cost $500. Building it has probably cost partzman less then $100. bucks. I have all the other supplies needed and more in the lab space I have free access to.
Also, the H-Bridge and Arduino can be reused by everyone needing it in the group. So I don't think it's as much waste as you make it sound.
In all the experiments I've performed over the years I can't say I have ever experimented with a rotating electromagnetic field in the conditions Pierre has demonstrated.
This will be a learning experiment and become experience once completed.

Regards

Luc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #250 on: March 13, 2018, 08:43:28 PM »
seead. There are many 'reasons' why people do hoaxes, if this is a hoax. Read up on Piltdown Man.
It is certainly at least a case of poor measurement.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #251 on: March 13, 2018, 08:50:49 PM »
TK, exactly my sentiments. I live in Ontario (approx 1 hr west of Toronto) and may be willing to partake.
I have grave doubts about the validity of his claims and the methodology of Pierre. Look at his prior videos of 'free energy' devices and you'll see what I mean.

Indeed.

I know of an extremely competent laboratory in Mississauga, very near to Pearson Intl. airport, about 2 miles off the 401, that might be interested in examining this claim and even in helping the inventor develop and bring it to full, earth-shaking fruition if preliminary tests indicate something worth looking at further.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #252 on: March 13, 2018, 08:54:43 PM »
TK, it's far to early for that. Pierre indicate the input voltage with cheap Chinese volt and amp 'meters', certainly not true rms, and no phase measurements. That alone is a giant RED FLAG.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #253 on: March 13, 2018, 08:57:08 PM »
seead. There are many 'reasons' why people do hoaxes, if this is a hoax. Read up on Piltdown Man.
It is certainly at least a case of poor measurement.

Well, I think we can rule out "poor measurement" if he really can run a big microwave oven for several minutes at full power while the thing is powering itself and isn't connected to the mains. Still, a simple 1500 watt resistive electric heater would be an even better load for testing.

You are quite right about reasons. Great complexity and effort and even cost are not reasons to rule out hoaxing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsb9W3G8CGI

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #254 on: March 13, 2018, 09:12:40 PM »
Hi E2matrix
Me too, in thinking what might happen is the change to solid state using mosfets or whatever from the noisy mechanical relays that Pierre uses is going to snuff out much of the CEMF or backemf/recoil energy coming out backwards and through the diodes from the switching.....

Gary Porter was saying that you can buy mosfets with no "protection diodes" within them....I don't know the model numbers or anything however, these might be the right thing to use if there are problems going to solid state switching....  Does anyone know model numbers or type of these? (I should ask GP I guess too)
..perhaps mosfets paralleled to lower and lower that resistance of switch when closed might be needed...
Ideal would be the resistance of a simple mechanical switch when switch is closed which would be say .02 ohms....
Another idea for switching  is to simply build or have built common copper commutator with spring loaded carbon brushes....say two 18 pole commutators (one for N one for S pulsing)  and a couple brushes on each (or three to do the overlap period?)  Some sort of pulse width control  too would be ideal....now it would be dead-reliable even EMP proof...anyways just some more ideas and thoughts...

Hi Konehead,

Nothing stopping people experimenting with relays. In fact I hope somebody replicates Pierre's setup exactly.

Attached is an 8 relay opto isolated board for $5.  16 relay boards also available. It will cost more than the L298N approach, as you will also need the recovery diodes.
I guess it depends what you believe the mechanism for the OU is.
I personally don't believe its in recovery voltages, transients or switching artifacts. For a 1:8 ratio it has to be more fundamental and my bet is the diversion/phase separation of the CEMF flux.
Just my opinion. :)

Pierre has already indicated that transistor H bridges is where he is going next, also with the aim to obtain a clean step waveform. So that's the direction I am going in.

I made the investment in the super caps but in the medium term I don't see why you would need them if you keep the circuit in a loop. All you would need would be a start up DC voltage applied to a much more modest cap. I think his 27F (18 x 500F in series) bank probably is overkill, as it hardly dropped voltage during the relative long switch over. A lot of cost could be pulled out of the build by reducing to a more modest super cap bank value. The 500F units are the most expensive generally available.

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L192

 

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