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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 81104 times)

Offline listener191

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #195 on: March 11, 2018, 02:25:13 PM »
Hi Seead,

The energy would be wasted in the top and bottom coils i.e. at 90 degrees to the fixed rotor.

Better to use a 4 pole fixed rotor than turn any coils off.

L192

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #196 on: March 11, 2018, 03:30:58 PM »
You need a shoehorn.   :D

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #197 on: March 11, 2018, 03:56:30 PM »
Now you have to consider that you have to use some ferrite core material instead of iron.
You can't just pick an ordinary genny stator!

Even in Pierres case, the stator have to handle the fast rising and falling pulses.

The picture below shows a way to recover, reusing Power from a/ the previous input stator coil(s). (About 80-90% total loop)

Regards / Arne
It might be a silly question but why are L6 and L7 have shorting out resisters when they are load coils and yet are fed fron no where ?

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #197 on: March 11, 2018, 03:56:30 PM »
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #198 on: March 11, 2018, 04:31:12 PM »
Sent the below PM (in French) to Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Hope the private messages from the Overunity forum have reduced?
Konehead has posted a new schematic of the energizing sequence of the stator coils.
Can you confirm if he has the right coil firring sequence from this link: http://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/msg518119/#msg518119
He also wants to know if the sequence is exactly repeated every 360 degrees?
We are all trying to understand why you have (double) 72 relays and diodes but the stator has 36 coils.
How does 72 relays and diodes get connected to 36 coils? can you hand draw a simple schematic, take a picture of it and send me the link to download?
I would also like to know if you rewound the stator coils or did you cut into the manufacture stock windings to make your connections?

Thank you for your help and time

Regards

Luc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #199 on: March 11, 2018, 05:05:31 PM »
Hi Gotoluc,

Also we need to know the number of turns in the coils and the wire gauge.

Regards
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #199 on: March 11, 2018, 05:05:31 PM »
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #200 on: March 11, 2018, 05:15:58 PM »
It might be a silly question but why are L6 and L7 have shorting out resisters when they are load coils and yet are fed fron no where ?


They are fed from L1, L2. See the red output pulse above the two first (time) pulses. Just a simple principle diagram.
R / Arne

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #201 on: March 11, 2018, 06:28:26 PM »
Hi Luc
Thanks for being go-between and translator for Pierre....
Can you ask is does the pulsing come in every 10 degrees?
Or is it perhaps every 30 degrees or 20 degrees?
How many wires are within a single slot would be great to know....
thanks again
Kone




 

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #202 on: March 11, 2018, 08:47:33 PM »
Just realised that those L298N boards have a 35V DC input restriction even though the L298N is rated up to 46V DC.
This seems to be due to the 5V regulator they have on the board and associated cap rating.

The 26V AC input will be FWBR to about 36V DC, so too close to the mark.

This is a real pain as I found a source that could supply 18 pcs for 25 GBP or 35 USD for 20 pcs.

L192

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #203 on: March 11, 2018, 09:13:50 PM »
Hi L192,

You could lift up the input pin of the 5V regulator IC from the board and then reconnect it via a series 12V (or 15V) Zener diode.
This way the Zener would take up the difference of the 46V and the 35V, so the input voltage to the 5V regulator may stay within safe limit.
Regarding the voltage ratings of the associated capacitors, they could be replaced with higher voltage rated caps.

The power dissipation for the Zener should be considered, maybe 3 pieces of 4.7V or 5.2V Zeners in series could ease the individual dissipations. OR a series pass transistor that would feed the input pin of the 5V regulator could be used if needed (this may sound as an overkill though).

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #204 on: March 11, 2018, 09:26:43 PM »
A simple test with consecutive pulses.
You can see the similarities in my Reply #137, left pic.. One magnet passing by.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #205 on: March 11, 2018, 10:17:46 PM »
My simulation with an Arduino Nano :

https://youtu.be/PdIgM_uE73Y

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #206 on: March 11, 2018, 10:39:30 PM »
Hi L192,

You could lift up the input pin of the 5V regulator IC from the board and then reconnect it via a series 12V (or 15V) Zener diode.
This way the Zener would take up the difference of the 46V and the 35V, so the input voltage to the 5V regulator may stay within safe limit.
Regarding the voltage ratings of the associated capacitors, they could be replaced with higher voltage rated caps.

The power dissipation for the Zener should be considered, maybe 3 pieces of 4.7V or 5.2V Zeners in series could ease the individual dissipations. OR a series pass transistor that would feed the input pin of the 5V regulator could be used if needed (this may sound as an overkill though).

Gyula

Hi Gyulasun,

Further investigation, has revealed that there are two styles of L298N board, one red PCB and one green PCB.

Both let you bypass the on board 78m05 regulator with external +5v.

One 35V cap is across +5V rail. The green board doesn't have the 2nd 35V cap across VCC.

The green board would be ideal however they are more expensive probably as they also have LED's across the coil drives.

I think I will stick with the red boards and just remove the VCC cap and feed external +5V to power the L298N.

Regards

L192

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #207 on: March 12, 2018, 04:18:57 AM »
The below is Pierre's reply I translated to English
If you find there are unanswered questions please let me know asap.



I use 6 poles, nsnsns but maybe a 2, 3 or 4 poles could worked? I don't know, as I haven't built or tested it.
The firring sequence konehead has shared seems correct. Every pair of numbers that I gave him is a coil which intertwines and are all connected in series.
I would of liked to add more coils if the stator had more slot, because I would of liked a wave in the form of stairs so the steps would be smaller between each pulse, which could of produced a nicer curve like a magnet passing a coil which makes current wave as pic 1 (left) and (right) is a standard step alternating current curve which I would of liked but my generator is not yet ideal.
At first glance it seems to work but with only a portion of the curve I wanted to produce (pic 2)
The peaks have a lot of Fluctuations, some are higher then others.
Possibly some relays don't open at the exact time. Just a few milliseconds can make a difference. Maybe variation in induction from one coil to another plays part?  probably my winding skills are to blame?  it's a stroke of luck to get it all right.
I was surprised of the result. Still I don't yet fully understand what I built.
All I know is that I was able to get some extra voltage. However, it's not useful if I don't understand the generators principle! At this time I'm trying to solve this problem.

A little less then a year ago I started to study magnetic field phenomenons but I'm far from being an expert on the subject. There's still a lot to improve to achieve something functional and reliable.
As you know, my work takes most of my time during the week, so I don't have much time left to experiment.

About the sequence of the arduino, when one coil is powered on the next coil will also be powered on before the previous is turned off (overlap) otherwise you will break the magnetic field. The goal is not to turn off the magnetic stream, you only want to keep it moving.  Switching example: 1 on, 2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 2 off etc.
The flyback diodes are connected to each coil but there's probably simple ways to do it?
I wanted to regulate the input power with another arduino but I was too eager to test my device so I directly connected it without input control. Maybe I could of reduced the input power but how much I do not know.
I don't know if you noticed the super capacitors can handle up to 48 volts. I only used 26volts but because of the problems I encountered.  I prefer to wait to test higher voltage on the next prototype.
Don't hesitate to take the initiative if you can improve the dz generator. It's still in developing stage and there's probably many things I haven't thought of that can be improved.
If we work together we will eventually find the ideal solution.

Thank you

Pierre

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #208 on: March 12, 2018, 07:00:48 AM »
Luc, It must have been the purity of Pierre's heart that he was able to do this extraordinary accomplishment. He is so humble with a great humility as he simply states how little he understands about the circuit that he built, which works beautifully.  Without a question he knows much more than he admits, which is an amazing demonstration of humility.
Just think, most man would have a mile high ego of selfishness claiming what a  profound breakthrough they have achieved.


Pierre has shared all the vital information that anyone who understands  all the steps will successfully be abler to replicate it his discovery.
Most people got the bits and pieces how  micro chip programming, relays or stator coil arrangements works, etc, etc... But, if it wasn't Pierre's
disclosure of his coil arraignments again no body would have a clue.  And thanks to Kone that what he freely received "The magic numbers" from Pierre and he freely shared.


Selfishness consumes mans fortune and his life! I remember well when I attended one of Stand Mayer's  demonstration in Ohio, I thinks it was around year 1993 he was a very proud man with his accomplishment! Generating HHO gas from water and powering a car.


After 25 years later I still remember clearly when he said: What I have accomplished no other man can do this! He was a religious "man too" He also mentioned that this was a gift from God that was given to him but he was not interested to shared the formula with rest of the world at all. He was only interested  to get the praise and attention of everyone that attended to his demo meetings.


Imagine where human raise would be today if Nicola Tesla didn't shared his secret discovery of AC and induction motors and generators?   


Well, how many inventors we have seen so far that come and go with their small or big accomplishments that they are totally forgotten because they took their secrets with them? 
   
I really think: Pierre is truly deserves a Nobal prizes, not only with his discovery in the fields of physics for self powered perpetual usable electric generator!
but also with his disclosure of profound achievement  with a great humility that his discovery will benefit mankind as long as human race will needs and use electricity.
   
 
 

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #209 on: March 12, 2018, 11:09:57 AM »
Hi Luc
THANKS!
This quote from Pierre I am not sure what he means can you ask him to explain a bit more?

"Every pair of numbers that I gave him is a coil which intertwines and are all connected in series."

So not sure what he means by "intertwines" ??
And all are connected in series???
I hate to say it but now this makes me think of my already-abandoned wild "konehead" theory I gave out a couple days ago,   in which  the coils in stator frame all connect together (in series) and that magic number pattern "continues" around and around and finally stops whenever the final number of wires in each slot is reached? And because of the staggered phases (again I mention in my drawing poles 31 to 32 "red red" next to one another, not spaced 6 apart) and this creates an "intertwining" (???) of the coils, for example now there is red, black, blue, green,yellow coil winds all within same slots??? (so 5 wires per coil if this is true)

I doubt all this, but "maybe".....please ask Pierre how far off in space I am about this...

It would be good to know still how many wires are in each slot" So there is another question for him

That is very nice to know about the overlap in timing of the stator coils and he does not ever want the magnetic field to "stop"  .....this is something very unique - I think so anyways - and something that nobody has realized until Pierre just wrote this...

it becomes like a permanent magnet field rotating, and not like a pulsed field, and no lenz law happens like it would with permanent magnets since there is no rotor to brake (!)

Anyways, can you ask what exactly is meant by "intertwined" and does that mean only the other S poles and N poles each 60 degrees apart intertwind perhaps (I don't know)?

Also what does he mean by connected in series?? What is in series to what more or less??

Thanks again Luc

 

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