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### Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 187301 times)

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #105 on: March 07, 2018, 02:46:21 PM »
Hi all
On Pierre's part 4 youtube demo, in comments someone from Brazil asked 8 hours ago about the 60hz and how it is created since he mentioned a  2pole rotor (N and S in rotor)  generator would need to be going 3600rpm to make 60hz.....Pierre replied it is a 6 pole generator, and so it only needs 600rpm so that must be the rpms that the field rotates at so this seems to answer question of the frequency of the field rotation...
however this does not make sense to me, since 2pole=3600rpm, 4pole = 1800rpm  8 pole = 900rpm, and 16 pole = 400 rpm  and 600rpm would be from a 12 pole rptpr (625rpm? doing math in head now)
So maybe the magnetic filed rotation  faces in polarity of pulses  S all the way around or N all the way around?
This would not make the greatest sinewave in the world if so,
but field collapsing after each pulse could provide the extra half of sinewave...maybe he relies on collapsing field to "complete" the sinewave? This is why he fried his microwave since not a really good sinewave happening...
Maybe all it is, is that what Pierre considers to be a 6 pole rotor, is what others consider to be a 12 pole rotor! (probably this is it)
Sure seems like that rotor is going only 600 rpm with the magnets and the ferrous powder to see it spin....

#### memoryman

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #106 on: March 07, 2018, 03:16:15 PM »
MEM: Obviously you like magic shows and are ready to believe whatever you see.
Which laws of physics that apply here are broken? How?
Pierre's videos do NOT show an OU device. A real self looped OU device does not need a bank of storage batteries or super caps.

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #107 on: March 07, 2018, 03:48:14 PM »
When ONE magnet pole passes by a coil core we get ONE FULL SINUS ! With TWO magnet poles (same polarity N-N or S-S) ==> TWO SINUS

Regards / Arne

#### ramset

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #108 on: March 07, 2018, 04:30:23 PM »
memoryman

your point is self evident [there are always ways to fake ]

It is a room full of adults here not children ,and PLENTY of folks with Much life experience in the fields of Science ,Electrical engineering, Physics  all Manner of skills and life experience ....yet almost to the last man [members here]...
there is that itch you just can't scratch....

Believing in the what ifs? is what we do  , it is fun and also a great learning tool or teaching tool as the case may be.

and it only makes us stronger as a community.

regardless of the impressions one might get from time to time here.

peeps are interested ,and ALWAYS curious .... everyday,   science and technology jump forward in one day what would have
taken millennium or centuries in the past .

suffice to say we are cracking / interpreting the written language of DNA....
and I am certain the days when we will do the same with Matter ,and gravity and all the rest.....[the How too

not far behind ,[most likely in the lifetime of persons reading here

and here we have the everyman experimenter in an open source forum.. no strings or fees attached

you could not beat us away with a stick...
regardless the outcome here [in this thread]

respectfully
Chet K

#### memoryman

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #109 on: March 07, 2018, 05:13:53 PM »
Chet, actually sometimes there are no ways to fake.
This is not about 'faking it'. For this to be OU, either energy is 'liberated' or 'created'.
IF you can show me ONE example of LoT1 (Law of Thermodynamics 1) being violated, then I might consider that possibility.
In lieu of that, it leaves only energy is 'liberated'. Show me how and where. Also explain why the bank of super caps is actually needed.

#### e2matrix

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #110 on: March 07, 2018, 06:24:59 PM »
MEM: Obviously you like magic shows and are ready to believe whatever you see.
Which laws of physics that apply here are broken? How?
Pierre's videos do NOT show an OU device. A real self looped OU device does not need a bank of storage batteries or super caps.

I don't believe there is any way you are going to run a microwave oven for 60 seconds off of 18 super caps the size as he has in the video.  He does not use batteries.  While I've only got 6 super caps of that size I couldn't even run a 60 watt light bulb for 30 seconds off of them with an efficient inverter.  So the power has to be coming from his Arduino controlled coils and setup.

#### memoryman

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #111 on: March 07, 2018, 06:45:03 PM »
I advocate critical thinking. Part of that means question your assumptions (especially the assumed ones).
There are several assumptions in your post, including that there is no hidden power source (wires supplying power, etc).
Just because we don't understand WHY Pierre would fake it (IF he does) doesn't mean that he isn't faking it.
This experiment could be done much better and ideally would be verified by several knowledgeable people using their own test equipment. That would not include me, unless I get paid.
In case you think hat all I do is criticise, i am personally involved in two 'free energy' projects. They are NOT OU though.

#### ramset

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #112 on: March 07, 2018, 07:16:16 PM »
memoryman
are they open source projects ?

no need to pay anyone ...when there are persons here who can get the resources at no cost EVER to Pierre
in other words "no strings".[even for a black box demonstration]

and no lack of benevolent highly qualified persons to help [with no business interests whatsoever],
and it could all be live streamed right here at Stefan's

as it does seem Pierre is open sourcing .

Also
I like the idea presented earlier in this thread...

a discussion around

How could this be a possible gain mechanism
...?? [regardless if this is real or not.

there is plenty Open source work to do around here....
and PLENTY of talent at the ready.

respectfully
Chet K

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #113 on: March 07, 2018, 07:52:14 PM »
Thanks for the information e2matrix.
My first language is French, so if you want me to do a reliable translation feel free to email or pm me the text.

Luc

Hi everyone,

The below is a English translation (from French) of a PM e2matrix received from pedro1 (Pierre) a few days ago.

Thank you for your message and to all those who wrote me.
I would like to confirm I have managed to build something that seems to bypass the written laws.
I always thought there was a way around these laws, we just need to think of different ways of going about it. There's still a lot to do.
To start with, in the next couple of weeks I'm going to make another video explaining the principle of the dz generator and the problems I have encountered.
The video will be for everyone who has interest in the device.
Afterwards you will be able to help me improve it.
My daily job requires many hours of my time, so I may not have much time to write during the week but don't worry, when I do have time I'll answer.

Thank you

Pierre

#### memoryman

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #114 on: March 07, 2018, 08:13:48 PM »
RAMSET: one involves the direct conversion of heat into electricity; has not been done on a large scale that is cost competitive with solar. It is not 'open source' until some money return has been realised.
The other one involves the Papp engine replication; I am under an NDA so can't discuss any more; it will never be 'open source'.

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #115 on: March 07, 2018, 08:26:08 PM »
The below is a PM reply I (gotoluc) received from Pierre which I translated to English.

Hello Luc

The reply delay is not because I don't want to answer, it's because I don't have much time in the evening since I work between 60 to 65 hrs a week.
I see your messages at work but don' have enough time to answer you and everyone at the same time.
I may have more time to answer on the weekends.
As for my phone number, I want keep it confidential as well as my email address. If I start giving my personal details out you can imagine the disturbance will never end. I hope you understand?
For the past week I wanted to make a new video but was unable since too much of my time was used to answer people.
But don't worry about it, I eventually answer and will answer new questions after I have the new video up which should help to understand the principle.
Anyways, I also have things I don't fully understand yet, so I'm going to need everyones help.
You can contact me on the overunity site. My user name is pedro1

Thank you

Pierre

So there you have it. PLEASE let's all refrain from contacting Pierre and give him a little more time.
Mostly if you don't write or speak fluent French. That just confuses things and wastes time.

You can PM me with specific questions (not answers already) that you may have which I'll compile and translate (in French) to send to Pierre once a week.

Thanks for your cooperation and understanding.

Luc

#### hartiberlin

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #116 on: March 07, 2018, 08:28:44 PM »
Many thanks Luc for your great help !
Regards, Stefan.

#### gotoluc

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #117 on: March 07, 2018, 09:36:34 PM »
To all FYI,

I just replied to Pierre's message (posted above) with the below message

You may of noticed I translated two of your messages and posted them on the forum.
I ask for all forum members to stop contacting you, mostly if they don't know French
From now on, any messages you receive from forum member please copy and paste this reply to them: Please send your message to gotoluc  he will compile, translate and post my answers at the forum topic once a week. Thank you

It instructs members to send me (gotoluc) the massage which I will translate for you and only send you the message/questions once a week which I'll post your reply at the forum in proper English.

As for your new video. Please explain everything in French and post the video unlisted and send me the link.
I will download it and make a new audio track in English for you. That will greatly help and reduce time wasted to explain what's been causing confusion through translation.
We really need as much details as possible on how you archived 60Hz.
Also, we don't understand how your Arduino 2560 is able to control 36 transistors as the specifications says it has 54 digital I/O pins, so looks to be 27 pins for in or out.
Please carefully explain the above and the timing sequence.

Luc

#### Jeg

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #118 on: March 07, 2018, 10:08:56 PM »
Gotoluc
54 I/O
You can use any of the 54 pins for either an input or an output. This is done by programming. So actually you can drive up to 54 transistors if you set the pins as outputs.

Regards

#### listener191

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##### Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #119 on: March 07, 2018, 10:18:37 PM »
From the 2560 specs..

Each of the 54 digital pins on the Mega can be used as an input or output, using pinMode(),digitalWrite(), and digitalRead() functions. They operate at 5 volts. Each pin can provide or receive 20 mA as recommended operating condition and has an internal pull-up resistor (disconnected by default) of 20-50 k ohm. A maximum of 40mA is the value that must not be exceeded to avoid permanent damage to the microcontroller.

My only question would be confirmation of the winding pitch?

6 magnetic fields in play could just be 3 phases spaced at 12 slots (120 degrees) two coils per phase @180 degrees to each other.
Every rotation then produces 3 cycles.
20 rotations = 60 cycles.

L192