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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 71114 times)

Offline gotoluc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #420 on: March 22, 2018, 06:28:31 PM »
Luc,

IMO, the only difference between using a 30 pole or 36 pole stator would be in the timing of the pulses required to generate a 50Hz or 60 Hz output frequency.  The operation of field interactions should be the same in either case so, carry on! :)

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Luc,
À mon avis, la seule différence entre l'utilisation d'un stator à 30 ou 36 pôles serait la synchronisation des impulsions nécessaires pour générer une fréquence de sortie de 50 Hz ou 60 Hz. Le fonctionnement des interactions sur le terrain devrait être le même dans les deux cas, continuez! ;)
Cordialement,

I appreciate your experienced opinion partzman
The package you sent me has just arrived, thank you
I'll definitely carry on
Regards

Luc

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J'apprécie votre opinion expérimentée partzman
Le colis que vous m'avez envoyé vient d'arriver, merci
Je vais certainement continuer
Cordialement

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #421 on: March 22, 2018, 06:49:46 PM »
I have made a theoretical plot for the inductance of the coils for the 36 slot stator. What Luc has measured is very similar to what simulations show, see attached plots for comparison.

The max inductance with the rotor present is about 4x the inductance of a coil without a rotor present. So going around the stator, the coils will see a periodic change in their inductance with a 2-fold symmetry (two periods per full 360deg revolution), while the N-S poles have a 3 fold symmetry (three periods per full 360deg revolution).

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Fr. J'ai fait un tracé théorique de l'inductance des bobines pour le stator à 36 fentes. Ce que Luc a mesuré est très similaire à ce que montrent les simulations, voir les graphiques ci-joints pour les comparer.
L'inductance maximale avec le rotor présent est d'environ 4x l'inductance d'une bobine sans rotor présent. Donc, en faisant le tour du stator, les bobines subiront une variation périodique de leur inductance avec une symétrie double (deux périodes par révolution complète de 360deg), alors que les pôles N-S auront une symétrie triple (trois périodes par rotation complète de 360deg).
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #422 on: March 22, 2018, 07:11:51 PM »
I have made a theoretical plot for the inductance of the coils for the 36 slot stator. What Luc has measured is very similar to what simulations show, see attached plots for comparison.


The max inductance with the rotor present is about 4x the inductance of a coil without a rotor present. So going around the stator, the coils will see a periodic change in their inductance with a 2-fold symmetry (two periods per full 360deg revolution), while the N-S poles have a 3 fold symmetry (three periods per full 360deg revolution).


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OK, for those who are looking for a possible source of the excess energy in Pierre's device here it is, the parametric inductance change in the coils near to the fixed rotor.  There will be complex field interactions when this and other things are considered such as current/flux shuttling between overlapping coils, leakage inductance between windings, plus any field collapse activity along the stator, etc.

Luc- Glad to hear you received the parts! ;)

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OK, pour ceux qui sont à la recherche d'une source possible de l'excès d'énergie dans le dispositif de Pierre, c'est le changement d'inductance paramétrique dans les bobines près du rotor fixe. Il y aura des interactions complexes sur le champ lorsque ceci et d'autres facteurs sont pris en compte, comme la circulation de courant / flux entre les bobine chevauchantes, l'inductance de fuite entre les enroulements,  plus toute activité d'effondrement du champ le long du stator, etc.
Luc - Content d'entendre que vous avez reçu les pièces! ;)
Cordialement,

Regards,
Pm
« Last Edit: March 22, 2018, 09:13:05 PM by partzman »

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #423 on: March 22, 2018, 08:12:56 PM »
The operation of field interactions should be the same in either case so, carry on! :)

The inventor himself have said that he would prefer a stator with more coils so to produce more steps for the wave build up. So the number of coils looks like it contributes only to the output power and not to the manifestation of the ''effect''.

When Pierre published his first video it happens that I was experimenting on beat frequency over my yoke transformer. With this in mind I asked Pierre if he uses a variable duty cycle while the field is rotating. His answer was yes but there is always the possibility of miscommunication. So I post again his answer to me for translation by Luc.

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pour le duty cycle on peut dire que oui il est variable pour de qui est des relais je me demande comment ils ont fait pour tenir  la vitesse qu'il allait une chance que je n'ai pas mit le voltage que je voulait tester pour de ce qui est de la vitesse des relais j'en ai aucune idée trop vite a mon gout le prochain prototype il y auras des mosfet a la place moin de bruit et surtout plus rapide 

   

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #424 on: March 22, 2018, 08:54:20 PM »
Glad you're still testing!
Is the stator we see in the pictur a 36 slot?
Please keep us updated as you do your tests
Looking forward to your results good or bad
Thanks for sharing

Luc

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Je suis content que vous testiez encore!
Est-ce que le stator que nous voyons dans la photo est un 36 fente?
S'il vous plaît gardez-nous à jour pendant que vous faites vos tests
Dans l'attente de vos résultats, bons ou mauvais
Merci d'avoir partagé


Yes, 36 slots.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #425 on: March 22, 2018, 09:39:05 PM »
The inventor himself have said that he would prefer a stator with more coils so to produce more steps for the wave build up. So the number of coils looks like it contributes only to the output power and not to the manifestation of the ''effect''.

When Pierre published his first video it happens that I was experimenting on beat frequency over my yoke transformer. With this in mind I asked Pierre if he uses a variable duty cycle while the field is rotating. His answer was yes but there is always the possibility of miscommunication. So I post again his answer to me for translation by Luc.

Regards

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L'inventeur lui-même a dit qu'il préfèrerait un stator avec plus de bobines afin de produire plus de pas pour l'accumulation de la vague. Le nombre de bobines semble donc contribuer uniquement à la puissance de sortie et non à la manifestation de "'effet".
Quand Pierre a publié sa première vidéo il arrive que j'expérimentais sur la fréquence de battement sur mon transformateur. Dans cet esprit, j'ai demandé à Pierre s'il utilisait un cycle de service variable pendant que le champ tournait. Sa réponse était oui mais il y a toujours une possibilité de mauvaise communication. Donc, je poste à nouveau sa réponse à moi pour la traduction par Luc.

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pour le duty cycle on peut dire que oui il est variable pour de qui est des relais je me demande comment ils ont fait pour tenir  la vitesse qu'il allait une chance que je n'ai pas mit le voltage que je voulait tester pour de ce qui est de la vitesse des relais j'en ai aucune idée trop vite a mon gout le prochain prototype il y auras des mosfet a la place moin de bruit et surtout plus rapide 

Hi Jeg,

The below is Pierre's  translation. Probably much different with google translate, which I notice it's not very good from French to English but works very well from English to French.
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Salut Jeg, ci-dessous est la traduction de Pierre. Probablement très différent avec traduction Google qui n'est pas une très bonne traduction du français à l'anglais mais fonctionne très bien de l'anglais aux français.

Translation of Pierre's youtube massage

for the duty cycle I can say yes, it 's variable.   (I personally think Pierre is saying the duty cycle can be varied)
Now, on the relays, I wonder how they can hold the speed they do.
Good thing I didn't use the voltage I had in mind to test with.
For the speed of the relays, I have no idea? already too fast to my liking.
The next prototype I'll use mosfet's instead of relays which have no noise and mostly much faster.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #426 on: March 22, 2018, 11:51:27 PM »
Does someone has the spec for the female connector to the L298N?


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #427 on: March 23, 2018, 12:04:57 AM »
OK, for those who are looking for a possible source of the excess energy in Pierre's device here it is, the parametric inductance change in the coils near to the fixed rotor.  There will be complex field interactions when this and other things are considered such as current/flux shuttling between overlapping coils, leakage inductance between windings, plus any field collapse activity along the stator, etc.

Luc- Glad to hear you received the parts! ;)

Regards,
Pm

The one thing i am yet to work out is--how is a 60Hz cycle achieved with mechanical relay's ?.


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #428 on: March 23, 2018, 12:09:14 AM »
The one thing i am yet to work out is--how is a 60Hz cycle achieved with mechanical relay's ?.


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Brad, the maximum that I got pulsing a relay with a signal generator and mosfet was 43 hertz. I don't know if is the type of relay that I'm using or not.


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« Reply #429 on: March 23, 2018, 01:25:33 AM »
Brad, the maximum that I got pulsing a relay with a signal generator and mosfet was 43 hertz. I don't know if is the type of relay that I'm using or not.


Ariovaldo

Relays are not really meant for these things. But they all have operational upper frequency limits. Similar to reed switches, which do give specs on such, I would say that smaller relays can do higher freq switching than larger ones, mostly due to mass of the armature and resonant freq of the armatures such that i had encountered with reed switches in my pulse motor days.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #430 on: March 23, 2018, 02:47:25 AM »
Here is the pdf on the relays on the boards Stefan found on Amazon

10ms max operation time
5ms max release time

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« Reply #431 on: March 23, 2018, 02:56:05 AM »
Here is the pdf on the relays on the boards Stefan found on Amazon

10ms max operation time
5ms max release time

Mags

It does say that max on/off switching

Mechanical 300 operation/min
Electrical    30 operation/min

Seems conservative for such a relay, not sure if that defines max freq of operation in comparison to the previous specs above

Mags

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #432 on: March 23, 2018, 09:17:21 AM »
Avez-vous remarqué ce commentaire de Gustav Eierbach sous la dernière vidéo de Pierre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh4cC9hIXbg&t :

Hello Pierre, please contact me by email: fassi@mail.deIt is fascinating, what you are working.I am in very good contact with the world main developer (Prof. Dr. Turtur) in Zeropoint Energy Machines.We would be very happy, if we could speak with you.Best regards Gustav Eierbach (Fassi)

Sur sa page facebook, il parle de Pierre : https://www.facebook.com/zeropoint.energie

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #433 on: March 23, 2018, 09:33:37 AM »
Réponse  de Pierre également :

Pour éviter que le champ magnétique ne se coupe il faut a un certain moment avoir deux relais activés en même temps donc 5 bobines sur 6 fonctionnent réellement ex: relais 1 on ,relais 2 on ,relais 1 off ,relais 3 on ,relais 2 off etc. Cette séquence évite de couper le champ magnétique tout en changent la polarité des bobines: c'est une séquence assez complexe au niveau des transistors . Comme ma sortie de l'arduino est positive et que les relais s'activent avec du négatif alors il a été nécessaire de mettre des transistors pour pouvoir activer les relais .

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To prevent the magnetic field from being cut, it is necessary at a certain moment to have two relays activated at the same time so 5 coils out of 6 actually work eg: relay 1 on, relay 2 on, relay 1 off, relay 3 on, relay 2 off etc. This sequence avoids to cut the magnetic field while changing the polarity of the coils: it is a rather complex sequence at the level of the transistors. As my output from the arduino is positive and the relays activate with the negative then it was necessary to put transistors in order to activate the relays.

Question:
Pouvez-vous confirmer que chaque transistor commande la mise sous tension de 5 bobines en série,et 5 autres bobines en série diamétralement opposées avec un champ magnétique opposé ?

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Can you confirm that each transistor controls the energization of 5 coils in series, and 5 other coils in series diametrically opposed with an opposite magnetic field?

Oui mais pour le 3ieme relai la polarité se trouve éventuellement  inversée. Je ferai une vidéo pour expliquer la séquence. Pour le moment vous pouvez suivre les flèches que je fais dans la dernière vidéo

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Yes but for the 3rd relay the polarity is possibly reversed. I will make a video to explain the sequence. For the moment you can follow the arrows that I make in the last video

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #434 on: March 23, 2018, 10:17:01 AM »
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