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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 68950 times)

Offline konehead

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #300 on: March 15, 2018, 10:26:11 AM »
Hi Luc
Also if you do "adjacent" coils rather than coils "sharing" slots like you show, you will also end up with two coils per slot too...
My big problem is still those magic numbers,....if you follow them, it seems he is saying to wrap coils not through common shared slots, but into the adjacent slots (6-11, 7-12 etc)
He didn't say 6-11, 11 -16 etc. style like you are doing in your video (I am thinking 36 poles)
Also to continue the "shared slot" coil placement you can count out with fingers easy,....so 6-11,  11-16,  16-21,  21-26,  26- 31, 31-36.........that last number 36 throws it all off since now to "share" with slot number 6 and complete
the "circle" you would now have "36 - 5" coming up next and "36 - 6 is 7 digits, not 6 so this has me quite confused.  Someone told me yesterday the "next layers" count as 1/2 slot so it does come out even, but that makes no sense too....
Anyways to rectify this situation just do "adjacent" slots, not shared  and it comes out even at end....
Also I think the riddle of "6 coils becoming one" just means all the coils are in series, strung together,like a big circle all connected  and the the pulsing comes in at appropriate points (for example the "corners" in my drawing....AND/OR since coils in series, why not switch the whole thing at once? (saves a lot of switches!)  and sequentially pulse and rotate the different wirings (red blue green pink yellow I think it is, in my last drawing with the 5 layers shown)
Will need the overlap period too, have not thought about that too much still worried about the correct stator winding pattern!!
This all makes sense to me what I write but so do lots of things that do not make sense (haha)
The coils wrapped around the single poles every 6 in my drawing probably is not good idea but who knows lots of ways to do this but lets get exactly what Pierre does down first eh!
thanks for all! I have genset just like yours will work on when I get back to seattle march21 (in Belarus now next to Russia)

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #301 on: March 15, 2018, 11:34:02 AM »
I posted this previously but perhaps it wasn't clear so I have added some additional notes.
L192

 Start:

Observe polarities

 N        S          N           S         N          S
1-6     7-12   13-18   19-24   25-30   31-36    <each of these coils extend 6 slots

So at the point of switching the last coil set
coil 6 will span 6 to 11,
coil 12 will span 12 to 17,
coil 18 will span 18 to 23,
coil  24 will span 24 to 29,
coil 30 will span 30 to 35,
coil 36 will span 36 to 5. 

so that places two coil edges in each slot.

Switching Sequence:
1,7,13,19,25,31  = ON previous coils =OFF
2,8,14,20,26,32 = ON Previous coils =OFF
3,9,15,21,27,33 = ON Previous coils =OFF
4,10,16,22,28,34 = ON Previous coils =OFF
5,11,17,23,29,35 = ON Previous coils =OFF
6,12,18,24,30,36 = ON Previous coils =OFF

Change polarities, as below and repeat switching sequence: This picks up the progression of the poles around the rotor
 S         N          S           N           S          N
1-6     7-12   13-18   19-24   25-30   31-36
Then back to start.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #302 on: March 15, 2018, 12:06:25 PM »
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #303 on: March 15, 2018, 12:17:15 PM »
Hi Listener
Yes I saw that, and if you want to use the magic numbers, this is the only way to do it far as I can tell with 36poles......so run the coils through "adjacent" slots, not common shared slots.
Maybe with 30 pole motor it is different, now you have to use shared-slots like Gotolucs video.
Also those magic numbers Pierre gave will apply to where in the string of coils you will pulse them at too if you look at his switching circuit drawing showing the overlap method....so magic could be because they describe two purposes, the magic numbers...

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #305 on: March 15, 2018, 12:50:15 PM »
would the shared slots not just create a cancellation of the turns in the coil legs, one coil putting out a north the other a south?
Pierre said their both on at the same time or they overlap.
Since all of the slots are shared all the way around ,complete cancellation?
If he shares slots then he has to use 7 slots per coil, if he has coils one after the next he has to use six slots, which I would think would not cause the fields to cancel?
Very confusing.
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #306 on: March 15, 2018, 01:43:54 PM »
Hi Shylo
Maybe its a typo, but its not "or" they overlap, they are supposed to overlap for some time so the frotating ield never "turns off"
I agree with you in what you are thinking; two coils sharing same slot through the stator will cancel if pulsed opposite polarity - maybe this is the idea however??  I don't know still confused but we will eventually figure it all out I am sure.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #307 on: March 15, 2018, 02:33:01 PM »
First thing is I am NOT saying this does or doesn't work.  That remains to be seen.  But I am having a problem understanding why the interaction between the stator and fixed rotor is any different than the action between the primary and secondary of any transformer.  What makes this any different?  The rotating magnet field is still just changing the flux going through the secondary just like any normal transformer.  And any normal transformer has an increase in current in the primary when the secondary is loaded.  So what makes the action of this device any different, if in fact it is real?

Respectfully,
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #308 on: March 15, 2018, 02:42:05 PM »
would the shared slots not just create a cancellation of the turns in the coil legs, one coil putting out a north the other a south?
Pierre said their both on at the same time or they overlap.
Since all of the slots are shared all the way around ,complete cancellation?
If he shares slots then he has to use 7 slots per coil, if he has coils one after the next he has to use six slots, which I would think would not cause the fields to cancel?
Very confusing.
artv

Hi Shylo,

Yes, a given slot at a pole change will have two coil sides with current opposing, however the stator section encompassed by each coil is where the flux will be developed, either North or South. The back of the poles could couple through the outer stator regions however, in the inner stator regions, where the fixed rotor is not present, that path could only complete locally N to  S through the air, although this will be a high reluctance path. As a given pole starts to come into registration with the rotor, this provides a low reluctance path to an opposite pole and so the pole flux is progressively coupled into the rotor, as the pole moves progressively into registration.

A more important consideration is the lack of a 4 pole rotor, which could couple more flux over a large region of the stator.

Regards

L192   

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #309 on: March 15, 2018, 02:47:08 PM »
First thing is I am NOT saying this does or doesn't work.  That remains to be seen.  But I am having a problem understanding why the interaction between the stator and fixed rotor is any different than the action between the primary and secondary of any transformer.  What makes this any different?  The rotating magnet field is still just changing the flux going through the secondary just like any normal transformer.  And any normal transformer has an increase in current in the primary when the secondary is loaded.  So what makes the action of this device any different, if in fact it is real?

Respectfully,
Carroll

Hi Carrol,

One theory is that the angle of arrival of flux into the fixed rotor is different to that encountered by the Counter flux due to the load. This is only true over a certain angle as the pole come into registration.
The fixed rotor Counter flux will always couple through the path of least reluctance, which would be the same fixed angle into the stator. So you end up with a phase difference between the energizing flux and the counter flux.

Regards

L192

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #310 on: March 15, 2018, 02:49:32 PM »
Hopping that Pierre is reading here:

By watching the output waveform i see that the problem exist three clicks before and three clicks after a pole transition. During this period looks like that the fixed rotor coil with its specific width, accepts both a south and a north to the same coil side and the same time. This is a good reason for oscillation.
Even if you move to four poles the problem is still there during transitions.


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« Reply #311 on: March 15, 2018, 02:59:59 PM »
Hi Jeg,

When the pole transition is aligned with the rotor, you would want the N/S poles to fold back through the end of the rotor and not cross through. This would then be the zero cross point of the sinewave.
One of PgmR's simulations shows this happening.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #312 on: March 15, 2018, 03:28:51 PM »
when a coil is pulsed, and the coil shuts off, the coil produces an opposite field to what it had when it was first pulsed right?
If I pulse it to make a north field ,when I disconnect the supply the field reverses and becomes south ,correct?
The reverse field is what gives us the so called "flyback" ?
Maybe he uses the collapsing field to increase the magnitude of the next propagating field?
Cifta, I agree , but in a transformer the field is stuck in one spot whereas in Pierres' design the field can move, not really sure.
So the core is seeing not only a rotating magnetic field ,but also the flyback strengthing the output of the core?
Along with the flyback, which to me is the reverse magnetic field, this also creates a reverse electrical field is what he stores which in turn replenishes the supply?
Looking forward to Lucs' build since he will break it down step by step.
artv

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #313 on: March 15, 2018, 03:38:21 PM »
VIDEO FOR TINSELKOALA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU5Zvki8tgo

Ah.. so that's where the Free Energy comes from. Thanks, I knew it had to be something like that.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #314 on: March 15, 2018, 04:40:27 PM »
when a coil is pulsed, and the coil shuts off, the coil produces an opposite field to what it had when it was first pulsed right?
If I pulse it to make a north field ,when I disconnect the supply the field reverses and becomes south ,correct?
The reverse field is what gives us the so called "flyback" ?
Maybe he uses the collapsing field to increase the magnitude of the next propagating field?
Cifta, I agree , but in a transformer the field is stuck in one spot whereas in Pierres' design the field can move, not really sure.
So the core is seeing not only a rotating magnetic field ,but also the flyback strengthing the output of the core?
Along with the flyback, which to me is the reverse magnetic field, this also creates a reverse electrical field is what he stores which in turn replenishes the supply?
Looking forward to Lucs' build since he will break it down step by step.
artv


Hi, I think things are getting very confused.


Letts say you charge a coil and the CURRENT direction is left to right, then when you switch off, the coil will discharge with the current going in the same direction, left to right. The pole will not change, if it charged NS it will discharge NS as he showed a typical boost circuit earlier on. This will happen until the circuit changes the charge direction.


Hope that explains this ok


Regards


Mike 8)

 

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