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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 70086 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2018, 09:50:58 PM »
These 8 piece module relay boards are only powered by 5 Volts
http://amzn.to/2owc2EC

The only 25 Volts cable that goes to the 72 diodes boards and from there to the stator coils
is this one, see attached picture.
The supercap Pluspole for the 25 Volts storage of the Supercap energy is the last lower left side,
this big red cable.
It meets the smaller red cable that goes to the 72 diode board at the left shunt side...
This seems to be the only place the 25 Volts from the Supercaps go to the stator coils via the
diode board and from there via the coil´s connector board to the Stator iron motor case...



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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2018, 09:53:51 PM »
These Relay boards can be directly controlled by the Arduino Microcontroller as seen in this picture:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71KNWPpl43L._SL1000_.jpg

Hope this helps...

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Hi Ariovaldo,
Your video that was a good idea to try the concept.
I would like to ask ..why did you not remove load lamps and take a look if the input current drops or not?
It would give an idea if Lenz effect still present with stationary wound rotor.




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There we go!


Ariovaldo



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Don't forget the phase angle between input voltage and input current. INPUT Power: Pin(active)= V x I x cos(fi)
( And the same at the output side because you are using bulbs.)
Regards / Arne

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Using a large laminated core


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Thanks Ariovaldo,
It seems like Lenz effect is still present using the traditional 3 phase dive method.


In the first case (ignoring any phase shift) your input current increased by 1.7 Amps at 110V
so roughly 187 Watts. Which is close to the total value of the 4 load lamps.
At 1.8A x 97V about 175 Watts actually reaching the load.


With no load it is likely the Amps & Volts are quite out of phase, so cant really just multiply the two.
We know it would be less than this multiplicand tho.


Not sure what you did in the second case but there was a dramatic improvement.
Your input power under load dropped by about 11% whilst at same time the power reaching the loads increased by 54%!


As far as Lenz goes your change of input power still changes but to a lesser extent.
Just taking the differences in Amps it's only 0.9A at 110 V  rather than 1.7 Amps.


Well done Ariovaldo,

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Is this device the same or similar to the The Clemente Figuera high-power generator ?
Only i'm a bit confused what's really going on, what we realy need to see is a block diagram.

Original device The Clemente Figuera high-power generator  by Patric Kelly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notgCACOQr4

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Hi Ariovaldo,


If you wanted to continue with this.
The input current is possibly higher because the main rotor is missing from the 3 phase motor housing.


If you are running a VFD and using say 50Hz for these tests.
Try increasing the frequency to say 100Hz, increasing like this should compensate for the lack of inductance.


If the frequency gets too high capacitive coupling rather than inductive can start to occur making readings incorrect.


Then run the last set of tests again, see if you can reach a point where power in loaded is less than power out loaded.


Also remember sometimes our instruments lose accuracy too away from their designed frequency range.






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Has anybody and idea, how he would be able to get 60 Hz rotation frequency out of the slow relays switching ?
I spoke today with a friend who already used these relay boards and told me, they would only do about 10 to 20 Hz
reliable at maximum frequency....
So if Mr. Cotnoire is using 36 coils and switches each on one after the other he will never get 60 Hz, but only if he maybe
uses overlapping On/OFF periodss of each relay, but then he also would not get more than maybe 10 Hz rotation frequency of the magnetic field
inside the motor core...
Also his little magnet spinner did not do 60 Hz....

So the question is:
Will the drill he has shown also operate with maybe 10 Hz instead of 60 Hz ?
Will the Microwave also operate with 10 Hz AC ?

Can somebody please comment on this ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Hi Ariovaldo,


If you wanted to continue with this.
The input current is possibly higher because the main rotor is missing from the 3 phase motor housing.


If you are running a VFD and using say 50Hz for these tests.
Try increasing the frequency to say 100Hz, increasing like this should compensate for the lack of inductance.


If the frequency gets too high capacitive coupling rather than inductive can start to occur making readings incorrect.


Then run the last set of tests again, see if you can reach a point where power in loaded is less than power out loaded.


Also remember sometimes our instruments lose accuracy too away from their designed frequency range.


I already tried VFD with 50 Hz. it pulled between 5 and 50 Amps with the flux in 60% range. If i increase the flux, the vfd amps will be high and will trip ( stall ). Nex week I will resume my tests.

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Has anybody and idea, how he would be able to get 60 Hz rotation frequency out of the slow relays switching ?
I spoke today with a friend who already used these relay boards and told me, they would only do about 10 to 20 Hz
reliable at maximum frequency....
So if Mr. Cotnoire is using 36 coils and switches each on one after the other he will never get 60 Hz, but only if he maybe
uses overlapping On/OFF periodss of each relay, but then he also would not get more than maybe 10 Hz rotation frequency of the magnetic field
inside the motor core...
Also his little magnet spinner did not do 60 Hz....

So the question is:
Will the drill he has shown also operate with maybe 10 Hz instead of 60 Hz ?
Will the Microwave also operate with 10 Hz AC ?

Can somebody please comment on this ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Wouldn't that be to do with the software in the micro. he must have that as a variable he can alter.

On the original he just utilities the solenoid as an inductor ! the other thing to note is some microwaves
dont have an MOT and use a switch mode.

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Has anybody and idea, how he would be able to get 60 Hz rotation frequency out of the slow relays switching ? ....
Regards, Stefan.


You can clearly hear the rhythm from the relays in the first beginning of the second movie. It sounds like a multi cylinder engine running on idle.
The frequency is absolutely below 10 Hertz.

My suspicions about low efficiency  (OU Hoax) comes from the geometrics of the construction.

The (secondary) iron core ends is only in direct contact to a small part of the the outer iron
 ring stator fundament.
 When the outer rotating magnetic field passes (lines up) to those secondary coil core ends also maximum electric power transfers to the output. (Flux linking ??) But when the rotating magnetic field has passed by those ends and goes up to perpendicular to the output coil it's lots lots of air between. Bad Transfer! But the energy producing the magnetic field is still the same. Or higher because of lowered inductance depending on those huge airgaps. Thats why I suggested severel output (coils) cores.

Regards  / Arne

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Hi I am only speculating here,
I think the drill is a brushed commutator motor which can be run even on DC.
The microwave Oven's a different story as usually they are transformer coupled power supply,
not like straight inverter type machines which have wide input frequency & voltage tolerances.


Pierre's demo is severely lacking in scope shots to to tell us the full story of what's coming out of the power coil (and other additional details).


It would be good if someone nearby with the equipment and skill could verify the build and help him bring the device to a more sophisticated level.
As I don't think the relay life would be all that long when used in this manner. 


Baring a fake video ..a self runner is a self runner I guess.

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It's not a selfrunner. Most likely he's making fundamental measurement errors.

 

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