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Author Topic: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video  (Read 78159 times)

Offline gotoluc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #120 on: March 07, 2018, 11:29:29 PM »
Thanks Jeg and L192 for clearing that.

I saw a post (can't find it now) with the concern of the Arduino's ability to drive all 36 transistor.

So, no need for Pierre to go over that in the new video.

Thanks

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #121 on: March 08, 2018, 01:10:00 AM »
I let Pierre know we don't need information on the Arduino
He clarified the Arduino does not have 54 I / O   
He says it has 15 inputs 0-20ma and 54 output 5volt

Just to make sure we are all on the same page.

Luc

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #122 on: March 08, 2018, 04:03:21 AM »
I let Pierre know we don't need information on the Arduino
He clarified the Arduino does not have 54 I / O   
He says it has 15 inputs 0-20ma and 54 output 5volt

Just to make sure we are all on the same page.

Luc

Just to make sure we are all on the same page... This information isn't secret, you know.

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The Mega 2560 is a microcontroller board based on the ATmega2560. It has 54 digital input/output pins (of which 15 can be used as PWM outputs), 16 analog inputs, 4 UARTs (hardware serial ports), a 16 MHz crystal oscillator, a USB connection, a power jack, an ICSP header, and a reset button.

https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardMega2560?setlang=en

I have one right here in my hot little grubby hands, and I can confirm that it has 54 digital input/output pins, each of which can be set independently either to Input OR Output by the software sketch.

Perhaps there is something lost or scrambled in the translation from French. Or perhaps Pierre is just learning about Arduinos. Or... perhaps the manufacturer's web page, and my experience writing sketches and using the Arduino 2560 Mega, are somehow wrong. What do you think is most likely?

While each of the 54 pins, when set to Output in software, can easily handle 20 mA current at 5V, the entire board is limited to 200 mA total. So you cannot have all the 54 pins sourcing 20 mA at the same time. But as long as you stay below the 200 mA total output you can drive transistors sequentially... even 54 of them, just not all at once.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #122 on: March 08, 2018, 04:03:21 AM »
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #123 on: March 08, 2018, 07:57:58 AM »
MEM: Obviously you like magic shows and are ready to believe whatever you see.
Which laws of physics that apply here are broken? How?
Pierre's videos do NOT show an OU device. A real self looped OU device does not need a bank of storage batteries or super caps.


Memoryman, That's true, however there are no established rules or regulations that OU device not suppose to have  super caps.  When input  is 170 Watts and the circuit puts out 10 times more usable watts besides powering itself and circuit voltage rises on board volt meter as soon as self looping takes place. If you don't have enough practical experience to know the meaning of this? Then I should waste no more time to say anything beyond this point. 

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #124 on: March 08, 2018, 08:07:40 AM »
Hi everyone,

The below is a English translation (from French) of a PM e2matrix received from pedro1 (Pierre) a few days ago.

Thank you for your message and to all those who wrote me.
Thank you all for your advice.
I would like to confirm I have managed to build something that seems to bypass the written laws.
I always thought there was a way around these laws, we just need to think of different ways of going about it. There's still a lot to do.
To start with, in the next couple of weeks I'm going to make another video explaining the principle of the dz generator and the problems I have encountered.
The video will be for everyone who has interest in the device.
Afterwards you will be able to help me improve it.
My daily job requires many hours of my time, so I may not have much time to write during the week but don't worry, when I do have time I'll answer.

Thank you

Pierre
If you are a person that you have more than enough financially,  you will do great good by helping Pierre financially so he can pursue he is R&D.
I wish I was in that position to help him out...

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #125 on: March 08, 2018, 08:24:49 AM »
I have simulated the magnetic field in his stator and the output coil ???


Assuming he has six coils switched on at a time, e.g. 1-2, 13-14, 25-26, you will get three poles in the stator and thus three sine waves in the output coil per one full rotation of over the stator.


Please see the attached animated GIF for animation (you will have to save the GIF file to your computer and open it with the regular windows built-in Picture and Fax viewer to see it animated; animation speed will depend on your processor speed; let me know if it is spinning too fast and I will slow it down for you). See the JPG for the flux.


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #126 on: March 08, 2018, 09:21:21 AM »
Hi Pmgr,

His stator has lap windings with about an 8 slot pitch, so no slot to adjacent slot coils as you have shown. Nice simulation by the way.

It is possible that he is energising two adjacent lap coils per phase and just letting the flux return through the stator, or he could be energising an opposing coil at 180 deg for each phase.

I assume this is FEMM. Can you make the .FEM file available?

Regards

L192

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #127 on: March 08, 2018, 09:34:06 AM »
Hi PmgR,

One other thing you could try, is to simulate the Counter flux through the central (rotor) core.

 Just set up some current through that output coil, so it opposes the energizing flux. My theory is that when the flux is out of alignment with the rotor, the rotor steel will steer some of the counter flux due to the load, straight through the unenergized section  of the stator i.e. not all of the counter flux will be returned through the energized section.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #128 on: March 08, 2018, 03:02:29 PM »
Hi all especially Luc!
Here is simple JPG drawing of 36 pole stator, and fixed-rotor like what Pierre has going on....
Can you use this drawing as easy reference to find out exactly what is the pattern of the pulsed stator pole winds?  (such as 1 and 2 and 12 an 13 and whatever) All I know is it is "6 magnetic fields" right now and there could be lots of different ways to do that.
Also I wonder what the pulse width is both percentage of on-time to off time (duty cycle)...t also what it is in milliseconds on and off too migjht as well know both...
Thanks a million for being the go-between and translator, and say thanks to Pierre when you contact him.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #129 on: March 08, 2018, 03:04:15 PM »
Just to make sure we are all on the same page... This information isn't secret, you know.

https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardMega2560?setlang=en

Yes TK, I know Arduino info should be available online!    I was just making sure everyone understood I made an error in my previous message to Pierre and shared his reply which I think is better to know Pierre's way of understanding the Arduino rather then quoting specs.

Luc

BTW, here is the post "quote" I read which caused the confusion. My error was to assume this information was correct which no one else corrected until I asked Pierre.
http://overunity.com/17609/170-watts-in-1600-watts-out-looped-very-impressive-build-and-video/msg517857/#msg517857

post quote: Lastly, I also looked up the Arduino 2560 and it has 54 digital I/O pins, so enough to drive 36 transistors.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #130 on: March 08, 2018, 03:21:21 PM »
MEM: it is YOU who doesn't understand. A storage medium should NOT be needed in a true self-looped OU device.
Its presence is a red flag. There are other red flags too.

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #131 on: March 08, 2018, 07:34:31 PM »
Hi Listener
Sorry about my ignorance - but what is an "8 slot pitch" ?? Does this mean 6 poles wrapped with wire through 8 slots in existing standard wiring? Or something else???
Thanks
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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #132 on: March 08, 2018, 07:40:40 PM »

Here is one animated GIF that show how the output coil couples back to the input coils (you will have to save the GIF file to your computer and open it with the regular windows built-in Picture and Fax viewer to see it animated)


Very interesting behavior. The back-flux generated by the output coil folds back half-half over the stator and mainly only impacts the coils that are positioned where the output coil steel meets the stator steel. As such, BEMF can be collected from those coils as a bonus. The amount that feeds back to other coils further away is very small (see the animated gifs).


Btw. I note we have no idea how the coils on the stator are actually wound and connected. Is it 36 separate coils, are some slots connected in series, parallel, if so which ones, do the coils have a center tap point, etc. What is the number of windings per slot and what is the wire gauge, etc. Basically, we need the exact configuration of the stator/coils.


Gotoluc, this is most important to get an answer to so that we can simulate the actual coil configuration.


Other things we need to know are how the relays are hooked up to the coils (and why there are two relays per coil as you could switch a coil with just one relay). I would think there are two relays per coil to completely disconnect the coils from the driving circuit and have it only connected to the two recovery PDs. Same for the two PDs. Why are there two PDs per coil? Are they in parallel to allow for larger current? Probably not as each of them has a separate wire going to it (if they were in parallel Pierre could just have connected them in parallel on the board). Most likely each coil has a center tap point that can be grounded and then there is a diode on each end of the coil to recover both the positive and negative cycle of the BEMF and feed it into the capacitor bank.


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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #133 on: March 08, 2018, 08:07:43 PM »
Hi Listener
Sorry about my ignorance - but what is an "8 slot pitch" ?? Does this mean 6 poles wrapped with wire through 8 slots in existing standard wiring? Or something else???
Thanks
Konehead
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Hi Konehead,

For example a coil wound through slot 1 and slot 8 then the next coil wound from slot 2 to slot 9 then 3 to 10 and so on.

This is called lap winding.

You can see looking at the stator that the coils are not wound around adjacent slots but they pass behind the next coil (lapped) then reenter the stator some number of slots further along. My estimation is an 8 slot pitch.

You need to encompass a certain amount of steel with the coil if you want to develop some meaningful flux.

Regards L192

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Re: 170 watts in - 1600 watts out - looped - Very impressive build and video
« Reply #134 on: March 08, 2018, 08:14:34 PM »
The question of why two relays.

This is like the two transistor switch that is used commonly in industry for switching stepper coils etc. The switches or say MOSFETS only have to be voltage rated at rail for this type of switch and it will recover energy from the coil in either direction, with minimal loss.

L192

 

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