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Title: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: abbhawk on February 06, 2018, 03:44:47 PM
Dont think this info hit this site yet so here it goes...

https://www.army.mil/article/191212/army_discovery_may_offer_new_energy_source

They take 1kg of nano alupowder (?) and make 220kwh in 3 minuttes.
Title: Re: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: fritznien on February 07, 2018, 07:32:14 AM
Dont think this info hit this site yet so here it goes...

https://www.army.mil/article/191212/army_discovery_may_offer_new_energy_source (https://www.army.mil/article/191212/army_discovery_may_offer_new_energy_source)

They take 1kg of nano alupowder (?) and make 220kwh in 3 minuttes.
read the article again. 220 kilowatts not kwh.there claim to fame is the speed of the reaction without catalyst.
Title: Re: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: abbhawk on February 07, 2018, 02:22:18 PM
I guess you are right, sorry i did not realize the diffrence, i think i understand your point. Now im a bit confused why they measure it like they do. Why do they just measure it for 3minuttes output? I hear of alu solder in the 1950ties that produced HHO for more than 7 years before owner mention it. Why is this powder only working/measured for 3 minuttes? Did they test 1 gram for 3 minuttes where they made 73.33watt per minutte?

I cant find this alu solder from the 50ties again, but im sure i read about it at www.free-energy.ws it is just like they delete info about it.
Title: Re: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: Paul-R on February 07, 2018, 05:13:20 PM
I guess you are right, sorry i did not realize the diffrence
Don't worry; they probably don't either. Technical journos often don't know their stuff. It is ambiguous.

- but interesting.

I wonder if they have taken out a patent. I can't find a patent under "nanomaterial" that I can recognise:

http://appft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=0&p=1&f=S&l=50&Query=ttl%2Fnanomaterial&d=PG01

either granted or an application. But there is an application under the name of the scientist mentioned in that article, Anit Giri, for the manufacture of nanomaterials and an address:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=20050258149 (http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=20050258149)


Its a start but I fear a military blackout may be looming.
Title: Re: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: pomodoro on February 08, 2018, 01:54:55 PM
We all get tricked by men in white labcoats boasting about their inventions and how great and wonderful the world will be.   I still do with some electrical stuff but not with chemistry.
This video is not showing anything great at all.

The aluminum powder is not producing any oxygen. It is reacting with water , forming a waste product of some form of  aluminum hydroxide. Only hydrogen is produced. The only thing they managed to do is to make the metal so fine that it reacts quickly.
Aluminum that is freshly sanded, forms a protective layer and will normally react for only a very short time  with pure water.

Hydroxide or acids are not catalysts at all but dissolve the protective layer and react with the metal itself, again producing hydrogen only and waste.


Those dicks know they are not telling the whole truth, and let this be a lesson to all - Anyone is capable of making up bullcrap and getting attention, funding, saving their lab from being shut down blah, blah, blah.

If you still don't get it, all they did is to make very fine aluminum powder, that needs to be kept under an inert gas, and they quickly dump it in water to create only hydrogen and a  lovely discussing grey soup of waste. Total BS about making both oxygen and hydrogen.

Ciao
Title: Re: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: Paul-R on February 09, 2018, 05:28:07 PM

The aluminum powder is not producing any oxygen.

"We just take our material, put it in the water and the water splits down into hydrogen and oxygen," Grendahl said.

You are talking about Year 1 school chemistry. What is going on here is different.
Title: Re: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: AlienGrey on February 09, 2018, 05:59:35 PM
"We just take our material, put it in the water and the water splits down into hydrogen and oxygen," Grendahl said.

You are talking about Year 1 school chemistry. What is going on here is different.
Hey don't the warter company already do that and call it fluoride it calcifies the penal gland in your brain next
thing your memory is gone. Same stuff right ?
Title: Re: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: Paul-R on February 10, 2018, 05:29:52 PM
Hey don't the warter company already do that and call it fluoride it calcifies the penal gland in your brain next
thing your memory is gone. Same stuff right ?
Wrong.
Title: Re: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 11, 2018, 05:02:36 AM

it is just like they delete info about it.


common reoccurring problem in our field of research.
a lot of $ is spent obscuring information,
and propagating false info to hide research.


this is compounded with recent internet flooding of hoaxes
and copy-cats faking things that were originally legit.


That’s the only line of defense the powers-that-be can initiate
to combat the increasing number of researchers investigating
new forms of energy.


We are combating the largest sector of our economy.
Their resources are almost infinite.
Title: Re: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 11, 2018, 05:07:13 AM
Electrodes Coated with nano particles of aluminum have been
shown to enhance electrolysis while simultaneously capturing
oxygen by oxidizing the aluminum.


Leading to systems that produce nearly pure hydrogen from water
at much lower energy costs than traditional systems.


This is an expansion of a process that used NiMh to do the same task.

Title: Re: Water split with nano alu powder
Post by: pomodoro on February 12, 2018, 01:53:17 PM
I doubt the cost of Al is so cheap that using it as a consumable electrode makes any sense. The aluminate waste would also cause problems.

Regarding the easy chemistry, yes its a reaction between water and a metal. The bit about oxygen being made is a blatent lie. Nano particles are still massive , not of atomic size at all. Aluminum will react in the same way regardless of its size. The nano Aluminum must be kept under nitrogen for it could react violently with oxygen in the air. It is fine enough to react with water rather than form a protective layer and the reaction with water is reasonably fast. There is absolutely no catalysis of any kind , but fast kinetics due to the massive surface area per unit volume.
No room temp reaction with any metal and water will ever produce oxygen, the metals oxidize , while water gets reduced , thats the only reaction with negative Gibbs free energy, end of story,