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Author Topic: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet  (Read 3163 times)

Offline Belfior

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2018, 05:50:34 PM »
well I mean that one wheel is used for accelerating rotation and other wheel for collecting energy with coils. This other wheel can have the magnets which ever way you want

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2018, 06:19:47 PM »
...If I can light up LEDs with open ended coils there has to be something flowing in open ended cables.

"Something" is displacement current.
The end of the coil and the conductors of the LEDs constitute the two "plates" of a small capacitor. When voltage and frequency are high, the impedance of the small capacitor is low enough for a current to pass through the air dielectric and to light LEDs, as AC does in any capacitor.


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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2018, 12:56:31 PM »
"Something" is displacement current.
The end of the coil and the conductors of the LEDs constitute the two "plates" of a small capacitor. When voltage and frequency are high, the impedance of the small capacitor is low enough for a current to pass through the air dielectric and to light LEDs, as AC does in any capacitor.


This is NOT true.
Capacitor can be monopole.
Also, this so-called displacement current occurs in open-ended conductor as well.

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Offline blueplanet

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2018, 01:17:45 PM »
....
People always say that "Lentz this and Lentz that", but why use looped coils? If I can light up LEDs with open ended coils there has to be something flowing in open ended cables.


You are right. The surface wave is flowing.
Surface wave is a wave propagating at speed lower than the speed of light. Basically, anything with a bit of conductivity can sustain propagation of surface wave.

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2018, 04:51:44 PM »

This is NOT true.
Capacitor can be monopole.
Also, this so-called displacement current occurs in open-ended conductor as well.

"There is no "open-ended conductor", except in the minds of people who are not familiar with physics and electronics.
Any charge in a conductor remotely influences the charges of other conductors in the surroundings, even the orbital electrons of the atoms of any material, including insulators.

Any movement of charges at the end of an apparently "open-ended" conductor is accompanied by a redistribution of surrounding charges everywhere around it, which is equivalent to a current flowing from the "open-ended" conductor to other conductors through air or vacuum, exactly as through the dielectric of a capacitor. It is named "displacement current". A conductor is never really "open", it is always capacitively coupled to its surroundings. It's easy to verify: the hand near the open end of a tuned circuit changes the resonance frequency because it changes the (low) coupling capacity.

Did you at least conduct the experiment and the measurements?!
That's what I did.  And I measured that current is drawn from the generator when the LEDs are lit remotely from an apparently open end of a coil.
It is well-known electronics.  This is a problem for RF engineers because they often have to shield circuits that, although separate, are capacitively coupled (without real capacitor) to remote areas of high potential in the same equipment.

There is no capacitor monopole. For instance a single spherical conductor has really a capacity. But this capacity is calculated as this of a spherical capacitor with two concentric electrode ( C= 4*π*Ɛ0*R1*R2/(R1-R2) ), one being located at infinity therefore C reduces to C = 4*π*Ɛ0*R when R2->∞. In real life, the second electrode is not at infinity but is the surroundings as explained.
The universe is neutral and any change in the distribution of charges somewhere leads to a redistribution of all other charges by minimizing the potential energy.


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Offline Belfior

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2018, 01:52:02 PM »
it is a waste of time to debate with a believer. For both of them.

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2018, 04:49:36 AM »
What you are talking about is the closed circuit theory taught in high schools. What is missing in the ordinary closed circuit circuit theory is the electrostatic waves or magnetic waves which can self-loop around the wire or over a surface. With this in mind, the energy can propagate without an opposite charges in the receiving end. For this reason, it is impossible to predict the behavior of open-ended conductor using conventional SPICE-like simulator or the like.
Open-ended transmission line has nothing to do with your theory. It has nothing to do with conventional resonance concept either. I am sorry about that.


"There is no "open-ended conductor", except in the minds of people who are not familiar with physics and electronics.
Any charge in a conductor remotely influences the charges of other conductors in the surroundings, even the orbital electrons of the atoms of any material, including insulators.

Any movement of charges at the end of an apparently "open-ended" conductor is accompanied by a redistribution of surrounding charges everywhere around it, which is equivalent to a current flowing from the "open-ended" conductor to other conductors through air or vacuum, exactly as through the dielectric of a capacitor. It is named "displacement current". A conductor is never really "open", it is always capacitively coupled to its surroundings. It's easy to verify: the hand near the open end of a tuned circuit changes the resonance frequency because it changes the (low) coupling capacity.

Did you at least conduct the experiment and the measurements?!
That's what I did.  And I measured that current is drawn from the generator when the LEDs are lit remotely from an apparently open end of a coil.
It is well-known electronics.  This is a problem for RF engineers because they often have to shield circuits that, although separate, are capacitively coupled (without real capacitor) to remote areas of high potential in the same equipment.

There is no capacitor monopole. For instance a single spherical conductor has really a capacity. But this capacity is calculated as this of a spherical capacitor with two concentric electrode ( C= 4*π*Ɛ0*R1*R2/(R1-R2) ), one being located at infinity therefore C reduces to C = 4*π*Ɛ0*R when R2->∞. In real life, the second electrode is not at infinity but is the surroundings as explained.
The universe is neutral and any change in the distribution of charges somewhere leads to a redistribution of all other charges by minimizing the potential energy.

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2018, 04:56:10 AM »
Also, if there is any measurable current, your meter must have problems.

Did you at least conduct the experiment and the measurements?!
That's what I did.  And I measured that current is drawn from the generator when the LEDs are lit remotely from an apparently open end of a coil.
It is well-known electronics.  This is a problem for RF engineers because they often have to shield circuits that, although separate, are capacitively coupled (without real capacitor) to remote areas of high potential in the same equipment.



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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2018, 12:00:08 PM »
To the uneducated, everything seems like magic.  So they make up mystical explanations for what they don't understand.

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2018, 03:25:29 PM »
Who is to blamed?


Me, Marconi, Tesla, Guobau or our high school teachers?

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2018, 05:05:50 PM »
To the uneducated, everything seems like magic.  So they make up mystical explanations for what they don't understand.
It's really, really true. I've made the same observation so many times!
Among the uneducated, this only concerns people of low ability who don't know but give explanations because they have illusory superiority (they cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence). The other ignorant people, of which we are all more or less, know their limits and when they are facing the unknown, they study first and check the facts.

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2018, 02:37:25 PM »
and if the system that educated you was created to hide something, then you are in trouble. You are perfectly fine using a nail as a hammer, because it seems to work and there is a formula for it.

We still need intuition and people that do brainstorming. Sure some of the ideas are just crap, but at least it is something new. After you get the crazy idea you go test it. This cannot happen if you start out with an end result = "there is no free energy", because after that everything you see is evidence for that case. You come up with one end result that matches your predefined end result and you say "HAH! The result matches my belief, so there is no free energy. Crazy people proven to be crazy once more!" This leaves out every "what if?" you could have also done with all your knowledge, but you didn't.

Having a crucifix or diploma on your wall is pretty much the same thing. You were told something and you now preach it as gospel.

I cannot understand all the debunkers on this forum. Go play World of Tanks, if there is no free energy. Why waste your time here trying to prove to people something that is absolutely true already?

This one scientist in YT said "there cannot ever be any science that comes out of revelation". I disagree. You need to pop out of the matrix first and see the cosmos for what it is. That is revelation and directly related to the ideas you can come up with. That leads to scientific testing and actual results.


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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2018, 05:43:00 PM »
Hi again Belfior,

I have spent most of the last ten years researching and looking for any device that can produce more power than it takes to run the device.  I am still searching.  I do believe it might be possible to build such a device.  I also believe that such a device might be impossible to build.  So I keep trying and looking.  I am well aware that none of us knows everything.  But I firmly believe the more we know the better our chances of discovering something new.

However there are many people on this forum that clearly have not taken the time to even begin to learn the basics of physics and especially electronics.  So they are constantly coming to this forum to post their "great" new discovery.  When all they have discovered was already discovered by someone else many years before.  Because they don't even know the basics they think their idea must be something new and radical.  I belong to two other forums similar to this one.  One of them only allows you to join after a member there can vouch for the fact you actually know what you are doing and are willing to help others.

I have spent many hours on this and the other forums trying to help those that want to learn.  I have no patience for the know-it-alls that don't know what they are talking about.  It is pretty easy to tell which ones are which.  If you ask technical questions the pretend know-it-alls will attack you as a person.  The people that really do know what they are talking about will answer your questions with technical information or admit they don't know why they got the results they got.  The second type will also suggest ways for you to investigate their claims.

Take care,
Carroll


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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2018, 02:45:41 PM »
Hi again Belfior,

I have spent most of the last ten years researching and looking for any device that can produce more power than it takes to run the device.  I am still searching.  I do believe it might be possible to build such a device.  I also believe that such a device might be impossible to build.  So I keep trying and looking.  I am well aware that none of us knows everything.  But I firmly believe the more we know the better our chances of discovering something new.

However there are many people on this forum that clearly have not taken the time to even begin to learn the basics of physics and especially electronics.  So they are constantly coming to this forum to post their "great" new discovery.  When all they have discovered was already discovered by someone else many years before.  Because they don't even know the basics they think their idea must be something new and radical.  I belong to two other forums similar to this one.  One of them only allows you to join after a member there can vouch for the fact you actually know what you are doing and are willing to help others.

I have spent many hours on this and the other forums trying to help those that want to learn.  I have no patience for the know-it-alls that don't know what they are talking about.  It is pretty easy to tell which ones are which.  If you ask technical questions the pretend know-it-alls will attack you as a person.  The people that really do know what they are talking about will answer your questions with technical information or admit they don't know why they got the results they got.  The second type will also suggest ways for you to investigate their claims.

Take care,
Carroll

Hi Carroll,

Very good answer and I totally respect your views and also the work you have done. I also agree that education and hands on experience can save you a lot of time and can guide you towards something new, but it all depends are you also a good researcher or not. Sometimes I just feel that the more learned the person is the more they are locked inside their own framework and that might hinder any results they might be able to achieve. You lose objectivity and your experiments try to prove that it is impossible. Because that is what your other experiments proved.

Now my intuition tells me that free energy should be the norm and burning oil to get energy is just absurd. Even the atom works without a power plug, until it disappears when it radiates to space. Solar system is another. It should run until the Sun dies.

So since this research seems to be very slow, I started from the premise that there is active suppression which also means that the school system is in on it. This becomes obvious when you find out that everything anomalous or fringe is left out and they tell you that P =UxI. They don't tell you anything useful about displacement current or Tesla's patents that depicted something explainable only with quaternion math.

"As an example, Nikola Tesla's patented circuits cannot be properly understood in either a vector EM or tensor EM analysis. However, very novel functions performed in them can be seen in a quaternion EM analysis, as has been clearly shown by Barrett {124}. Any electrodynamicist, who has looked at Tesla's work only in terms of tensor or vector classical electrodynamics, has no concept of what Tesla was actually doing. Since that is precisely how most academics have examined Tesla's work, they have had little idea of the functions he was actually able to accomplish in circuits — functions that U.S. electrical engineering departments still cannot perform."

https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/energy-from-vacuum/faraday-maxwell-quaternions-and-heaviside.html

So my approach is more "no holds barred" where you come up with an idea first based on my view of the universe. Then I go through the internet to find if someone else had that idea already. I was very pleased to find, that I am not alone with my thoughts and that other crazy people are out there :) Then I read what I can find and do my own tests. Sometimes I find something and sometimes I don't. So I do apologize for blurting out ideas and theories that just will not work, but none the less I will not take "there is no free lunch" or "conservation of energy prevents this" for an answer. The answer is there somewhere and it might be more obvious than we think. We are not just allowed to go there. I think our closed loop circuits will take care of most of the anomalies, that we are actually looking for.

I still believe in the scientific method, but I enter from the back door. Everybody should think out of the box, so more people try out new stuff. Listen to other people. They might have a great idea even if they are crazy. I can debate with people about anything, because I like the back&forth that goes between them. Your view might change a bit, after you listened to their "evidence". They might agree with you, after you present your "evidence". Now we got 2 people that both are wiser than they were in the morning.

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Re: V Gate experiment using a Ring Magnet
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2018, 03:20:59 PM »
and just a side note. We are being told everything is just death and taxes and there is nothing immaterial or that we do not have any special skills like telepathy.

Since I disagree (like CIA also does) I am also going to use everything in my research that "we cannot do". Meditation, hypnosis what ever comes to mind.

Since this is also a big no-no, I will leave these experiments out of this forum

 

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