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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2018, 04:13:38 PM »
Remember Black Sunday........
When a simple spring breeze transplanted
300 million tons of topsoil halfway across the U.S.


when we restrict airflow in a small place,
we are effectively building up pressure behind it.
When great enough, we create a pressure differential
which further drives the wind.


This is because the Entire volume of our atmosphere
is the driving force of the wind, NOT the wind speed that
we use to calculate “wind energy”.


The wind energy of the planet is derived from the net sum
of pressure differential around the globe.
This number is several magnitudes greater than the energy locally.
Like trying to stop a bus with a toothpick.


If we take too much local wind energy, the wind will simply pluck
our windmill farm (concrete and all) and drop it off somewhere else
on the earth. There is a theoretical point between two extremes
at which we will create enough local pressure imbalance to meet
our energy demands. This is the top-end production goal.
In this state, our atmosphere becomes a solar-powered heat engine
that produces H^36, where H is the quantity of global electrical
consumption in 1972. (the date when scientists did this math)


Which, for those who are curious:
H= 8426 Trillion KWh (1972)
H= 22,223 Trillion KWh (2014)
We will never run out of wind power or exceed
our potential to harvest it.


There are subsequently an infinite number of possibilities in
terms of the differentiated pressure effects of manipulation of
our atmosphere. That being said, we tiny humans are not likely
to exceed the effects caused by nature.
(black Sunday was a natural event, but the conditions that allowed
  it to occur had human origins)




Of course none of this matters anymore.
I just received verbal confirmation by a scientist working under
contract with an Argonne group:


They have violated the 2nd law of thermodynamics both mathematically
and experimentally. (Although there is still conjecture on the experimental
process) So, soon the mass of this religious organization will have to
revamp their religious laws, or face the shelves of mythology.


In either case, each individual that subscribed to the previously held dogma
of their religion will face the self-realization of their own actions.
And the detrimental effects they have had as individuals, on our research.

In my personal view I see them as no different from ‘flat earthers’
But you can’t blame them, they were indoctrinated by our educational
system, and the scientific hierarchy that controls knowledge.
On top of that, the theory of thermodynamics holds true in most of the ways
in which we use it. (this is clearly based on the theoretical constraints placed on
 the theory) but that is neither here nor there.







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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2018, 04:13:38 PM »

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2018, 12:41:04 PM »
                     Object                                    K    Mass   Diameter   Velocity   Energy, J
A) bicycle wheel @ 20 km/h                       1    1 kg     700 mm       150 rpm     15 J
B) bicycle wheel, double speed (40 km/h)    1    1 kg     700 mm       300 rpm     60 J
C) bicycle wheel, double mass (20 km/h)     1    2 kg     700 mm       150 rpm     30 J

Compare A) and B), then you will notice doubling the speed will quadruple the energy stored in joules.   Compare A) and C), then you will notice doubling the mass only doubles the energy stored in joules.

If we transferred 30 J in C),  to a bicycle wheel @ 20 km/h with half the mass, so the bicycle wheel is similar to A), then the bicycle wheel should have 30 J), because we can't destroy energy.   This will give us D).

D) bicycle wheel @ 20 km/h                    1    1 kg     700 mm       150 rpm     30 J

Gravock

Gravoc, please check your figures;
A 2kg, 700mm bicycle wheel at 20 km/h (150rpm) has 30 Joules.
If we transfer that 30 J to a wheel with half the mass, we get 212 RPM
(1.4142 x 150rpm = 212 RPM).     
In the same way that doubling the speed will quadruple the energy and doubling the mass only doubles the energy, halving the speed will quarter the energy whilst halving the mass will only halve the energy.

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2018, 04:13:06 PM »
Thank you EHT


I only checked A & B
Then got lazy, so I didn’t check c,d,e,f...


I assumed that he had his equations correct
 :(


The rounding threw me off at first glance, that’s why
I had to check it.

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2018, 04:13:06 PM »
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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2018, 04:56:15 PM »
No worries, Smoky. It's happened to me before... and more than just a few times ::)

For an all-too-brief moment there, it all seemed legit.... until suddenly - when everyone was least expecting it - nothing happened.
I hate that when that happens.

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2018, 07:47:37 AM »
Gravoc, please check your figures;
A 2kg, 700mm bicycle wheel at 20 km/h (150rpm) has 30 Joules.
If we transfer that 30 J to a wheel with half the mass, we get 212 RPM
(1.4142 x 150rpm = 212 RPM).     
In the same way that doubling the speed will quadruple the energy and doubling the mass only doubles the energy, halving the speed will quarter the energy whilst halving the mass will only halve the energy.

A bicycle wheel is more like a ring than a solid disk, so it is you who needs to check your figures and not me.  Look at the RPM and kinetic energy in Joules for a ring (bicycle wheel) in the snapshot below.  Here's the link to the flywheel calculator for both a disk and ring.

Gravock

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2018, 07:47:37 AM »
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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2018, 07:56:52 AM »
Thank you EHT


I only checked A & B
Then got lazy, so I didn’t check c,d,e,f...


I assumed that he had his equations correct
 :(


The rounding threw me off at first glance, that’s why
I had to check it.

You should be ashamed of yourself Smoky!  I wouldn't call it being lazy... I would call it being willfully ignorant of the truth!

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2018, 07:58:25 AM »
No worries, Smoky. It's happened to me before... and more than just a few times ::)

For an all-too-brief moment there, it all seemed legit.... until suddenly - when everyone was least expecting it - nothing happened.
I hate that when that happens.

...and it happened to you once again.

Gravock

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2018, 07:58:25 AM »
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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2018, 08:08:21 AM »
@ Temporal Visitor,

Smoky and EHT are both willfully ignorant of the fact that flywheels are actually levers!  And they think they are educated?  It's more like they have been indoctrinated by this foolish system of things!

Gravock

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2018, 01:33:02 PM »
@ Temporal Visitor,

Smoky and EHT are both willfully ignorant of the fact that flywheels are actually levers!  And they think they are educated?  It's more like they have been indoctrinated by this foolish system of things!

Gravock

If WE are indoctrinated in this "foolish system of things", then why are YOU the one trying to convince us using that same system ?

Lesson 1 of being a man, Gravok: learn to admit when you are wrong.

It saves you looking like a total noob when you try to worm your way out by slinging insults. Children do that.

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2018, 01:42:48 PM »
@ Temporal Visitor,

Smoky and EHT are both willfully ignorant of the fact that flywheels are actually levers!  And they think they are educated?  It's more like they have been indoctrinated by this foolish system of things!

Gravock

Hi Gravock,

No doubt there are many "willfully ignorant" people that "think" they have ALL the right answers because of their "education" in the foolish system of things we all exist in. - But I'm not yet even close to certain that is the case here.

Yes wheels are in fact levers (and a whole lot more) and in your word example 700mm to 700mm diameter is a 1:1 MA (mechanical advantage) which means that when both are already at 20km/h or 150 rpm input results in 150 rpm output, and that's a fact.

That is if correctly understanding what is written, but there is plenty of potential for misunderstanding word experiments and that makes it too easy to make mistakes; which in part is why I posted the photos of an older (2013-14) somewhat similar system in operation/testing.

"A picture is worth a thousand words.". I like to save TIME where I can, as I have "sense" enough to understand it/mine is running thin. The photos are evidence of at least having done THE REQUIRED WORK to learn first hand personal knowledge.

BTW @TK - Yes I spend the money (lots) to do the applied science (lots) to learn some Truth on my own. It made/makes sense to me since we don't get to take "money" with upon being cleared for takeoff/departure from "here". Can we agree on that? 

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2018, 02:25:30 PM »
A bicycle wheel is more like a ring than a solid disk, so it is you who needs to check your figures and not me.  Look at the RPM and kinetic energy in Joules for a ring (bicycle wheel) in the snapshot below.  Here's the link to the flywheel calculator for both a disk and ring.

Gravock

1. I knew from the start we were talking about the ring constant.
2. I used a flywheel calculator to ascertain your error in the beginning - or didn't you see that ?

All you proved so far is that both calculator sites agree.



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Re: DESTROYING Energy
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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2018, 12:47:42 AM »
If WE are indoctrinated in this "foolish system of things", then why are YOU the one trying to convince us using that same system ?

Lesson 1 of being a man, Gravok: learn to admit when you are wrong.

It saves you looking like a total noob when you try to worm your way out by slinging insults. Children do that.

"If WE are indoctrinated in this "foolish system of things", then why are YOU the one trying to convince us using that same system ?"  There is a huge difference between science and scientism!  You should learn the differences before you speak of things in which you do not know!

"Lesson 1 of being a man, Gravok: learn to admit when you are wrong."  Your statement is nothing more than a Psychological Projection (see first snapshot below)!  A Psychological Projection is when a person projects their own faults and/or shortcomings onto another person.  It is you who is wrong and not me!

"It saves you looking like a total noob when you try to worm your way out by slinging insults. Children do that."  It is you who, with less than 10 posts (see second snapshot below), who is a total newbie and not me, who has over 3200 posts!  This is another Psychological Projection by you!  Also, it is you who is trying to worm your way out, and not me!  Three Psychological Projections, and a possible 4th projection in regards to children, by you in a single post.

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2018, 01:18:50 AM »
1. I knew from the start we were talking about the ring constant.
2. I used a flywheel calculator to ascertain your error in the beginning - or didn't you see that ?

All you proved so far is that both calculator sites agree.

Let me simplify this for you and the others, since my word experiment is somewhat confusing.

A good example in how COM (Conservation Of Mass) holds while COE (Conservation of Energy) is violated can be seen in transferring the momentum of a heavier mass to a lighter mass, according to KE = 0.5 * mv2.  It's known by top physicists that Newton's zeroth law is invalid.

A 5 kg mass moving 1 m/s has 5 units of momentum and has a kinetic energy of 2.5J.  A 1 kg mass moving 5 m/s has 5 units of momentum and has a kinetic energy of 12.5J

12.5J > 2.5J !!!  <------ Conservation of energy is violated when transferring the momentum of a heavier mass to a lighter mass, while the 5 units of momentum is conserved!

Gravock

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #28 on: February 03, 2018, 01:37:18 AM »

Thanks Gravlok
the above is good
Love it

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Re: DESTROYING Energy
« Reply #29 on: February 03, 2018, 05:02:04 AM »
A) 123.456789 x .1225 = 15.123456789 (15 J)




B) 493.82716 x .1225 = 60.493827 (60 J)


Yeah..... checks out


C) 123.456789 x .245 = 30.2469133 (30J) check


D) 30 / .1225 = 244.897959
   (sqrt)244.897959 = 22.1313 rad/s -> 211.3383 RPM
     FAIL


Shame on me for being so lazy and neglecting to check
Someone Elses’s Math


My apologies to all
I will try to be more diligent in the future.




 

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