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Author Topic: inertial propulsion with gyroscope  (Read 21985 times)

Offline woopy

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #60 on: February 19, 2018, 10:25:28 PM »
Nice work Woopy




To all:


I must have missed the presumed logical fallacy.
What is the basis for conjecture against this form
of propulsion?
(I assume many of you never saw the gyro boat)


To me this all seems classical Newtonian.


Hi smoky

Very interesting , have you a link on this "gyro boat with inertial propulsion"

Because a know very well the gyro stabilization device for boat, but i never heard  from a gyro propulsion device for boat ?

many thank's for your interst

Laurent

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #61 on: February 20, 2018, 01:23:52 AM »
  Congratulations on a difficult experiment and test, Laurent - with your "part 8" video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WBD5hZu0t4&feature=push-u-sub&attr_tag=1X1BbXfPgaQNdIjg-6


I take note especially of those instances when the device goes left just a little, before proceeding to the right.


I posted further comments there.  Thanks again!

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2018, 02:47:57 PM »

Hi smoky

Very interesting , have you a link on this "gyro boat with inertial propulsion"

Because a know very well the gyro stabilization device for boat, but i never heard  from a gyro propulsion device for boat ?

many thank's for your interst

Laurent

Hi Laurent.

I remember this one from years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4LT3GZjlY


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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #62 on: February 20, 2018, 02:47:57 PM »
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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #63 on: February 20, 2018, 05:19:05 PM »
  I think this is important, regarding Laurent's demonstration #8:  does the device INITIALLY move to the left or right (or stationary) when first released? [/font][/size]
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In several of the releases, it moves LEFT a little initially, THEN, not touched anymore, it moves to the right.  Look for example at the release which begins about 2m33sec - and you will see what I'm referring to.  These are the cases that interest me particularly and seem to show "momentum generation without observable recoil."[/font][/size]

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #64 on: February 20, 2018, 08:36:17 PM »
I remember this one from years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4LT3GZjlY


I do not know what made the boat move in the swimming pool, but I am pretty convinced (based on my experiments) that swirling dead weights in whatever way (e.g. like suggested in US4631971) will not work as an "inertial propulsion drive". And since 2014 nothing tangible came from this initiative http://www.americanantigravity.com/. One would have heard more if it really worked. These things come and then go away pretty fast. Yes, it could be a conspiracy, some men in black erasing all inertial drives ever invented. But this is even more far fetched than the inertial drives themselves.

For me gyroscopes still pose a mystery and Laurent made me restart experiments with his replication of the Fiala patent. Most probably it will not work either but it is interesting to investigate. At least I will understand gyroscopes better.

Greetings, Conrad

 


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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
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Offline woopy

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #65 on: February 20, 2018, 10:50:28 PM »
Hi all

to Tinman

Hi Brad  i think that the boat you linked is a thornson device which is rotating dead mass , not gyros ,so far i now. and i don't now if that system can exhibit some gyro property as it seems to go forward on the water.

to Steven jones

Yes you are a very good observer, and M. Fiala in the patent explain the slight back movement before the stronger forward movement.

To conrad

Don't be so sceptic it is very bad for the health. And please go forward in your research that's make happy even if we fail.

To all

my latest try. A lot to test for the near future.

https://youtu.be/1Grv5B7AqkE

hope this helps

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #66 on: February 21, 2018, 12:20:33 AM »
Please watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im2mNnWZ5Oc

It is not from me, I found it by chance on YouTube, but I think it has something to do with the Fiala patent. Gyroscopes are very interesting and hard to explain.

I gather from the above video that there is a difference between turning a dead weight or a gyroscope in a circle. The gyroscope will want to "nod" and a dead weight does not "nod". And the gyroscope "nods" if only a very slight turning movement is initiated. Therefor I think Fiala only needs a a very slight lifting with his rail.


@Laurent: your latest video "inertial propulsion with gyroscope part 9" is a very clever modification. If you watch the video which I mention above, you will see that it only takes a very slight turning movement to make the gyroscope "nod". Therefore the Fiala device could may be work with only a very slight turning back and forth, as you do in your latest experiment. I hope that I will be able to do all that with my stepper motor design. But building something is so much work, I just have collected some components which I am going to use.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #67 on: February 21, 2018, 05:02:50 AM »
  I also enjoyed the latest video, #9.  Clever modification!   Was that idea yours - or was it in the original patent?  [/size]

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Also, I especially like the sequence beginning about 1m14s where the device goes back a little, then untouched accelerates forward (to the right in the video).[/size]

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2018, 05:15:01 AM »
  There are several ideas out there for inertial propulsion...  I like Laurent's clear demonstrations the best. 


For the record, though, I would show this approach from China:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUf4EG8tFE8&t=151s

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #69 on: February 21, 2018, 05:44:43 AM »
@conrad


That’s silly.....   “one would have heard”
The only ones that would have heard would possibly
be scientists studying inertial propulsion.
And people like myself that went to live demonstrations.
The one I was referring to was in the 80’s
not sure if it made it onto the internet, as it predates
the internet. (we were still using the bbs system)


Inertial drive research was, at the time, mostly restricted to
to NASA and LNL researchers.
The demo I was invited to was a NASA team, and the boat was a toy
in a pond. 
The rotating weight had an arm that was able to extend at a portion of its
rotation, then retract shortly after.
Allowing it to transfer centrifugal force in a linear direction.
Like swirling a weight on a string, then jolting your arm forward
as the string passed in front of you.
Was a solid arm, not a string, but the analogy is valid.
Similar to catching a sling-shot projectile, shortly after it is released.


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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #70 on: February 21, 2018, 05:46:53 AM »
The problem I have with all this conjecture
Is the fact that we have used inertial propulsion
in several areas, even in outer space.


I’m trying to understand where people are coming from
when they say things like “that’s not possible”
There’s nothing in physics that says it is not possible.




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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #71 on: February 21, 2018, 11:03:28 AM »
sm0ky2 wrote: I’m trying to understand where people are coming from when they say things like “that’s not possible” There’s nothing in physics that says it is not possible

Well, there is something in physics and it is called conservation of linear momentum and conservation of angular momentum. And all experiments and observations so far have shown that this two conservation laws hold in a closed system.

What does this mean: linear momentum and angular momentum are two different properties of a moving object and one can not be turned into the other because each one is conserved (does not disappear and can only be transferred from an object to another).


All physics is based on experiments and observations. You can believe these experiments and observation (if they are carefully done and peer reviewed) or you may not.

If you do not believe then you should show experiments and observations which prove your point. So far nobody could conclusively show a transformation of linear momentum into an angular momentum or the other way round in a closed system.


So far it always was not a closed system. The angular moment was not transformed into a linear moment, the linear moment came from "outside" (was imparted on the system by interacting with its surroundings). And in space, freely floating, an object can be considered as a closed system, but not on earth.


If there is something in space (like the ether or dark matter) one could possibly interact with that. One could turn something (angular momentum) which flings the ether (or dark matter) away and such causing linear momentum. This is then not a closed system. It would be like a propeller in water.

May be a gyroscope interacts with the ether or with dark matter or with something unknown (but nobody could observe that conclusively).


Of course you do not have to believe what I write, just study physics. Read what is known and then you know more.

By the way, I am coming from Austria. Now you even know where people are coming from when they say things like “that’s not possible”. And I met quite a lot of people in other countries who say "that's not possible". So, just look around you and you will know where people are coming from when they say things like “that’s not possible”.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #72 on: February 21, 2018, 12:42:48 PM »
Have you ever used a sling?

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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #73 on: February 21, 2018, 01:05:26 PM »
If not, perhaps you may find the game of golf to be useful
https://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/physics-of-a-golf-swing.html


Or from a military perspective, a Trebuchet or catapult are pretty much
the same math


In Guam, children learn this in the 6th Grade
http://www.guampedia.com/lesson-plan-physics-of-a-slingstone/






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Re: inertial propulsion with gyroscope
« Reply #74 on: February 21, 2018, 01:08:17 PM »
Dancing or Ice Skating, you can swing your partner
and let them go


They do not fly angularly
But linear




If you understand what “angular momentum” actually is
It is a linear momentum derived from angular velocity
There is no real angular component to the momentum
Unless there is some force to keep applying the change
in angle, the object in motion will maintain a linear path.


Which is why I said this problem is Newtonian.

 

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