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Title: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on January 16, 2018, 06:27:35 PM
I would be curious if there is any interest in these efforts.

Cheers


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Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on January 17, 2018, 03:24:54 PM
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Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on January 19, 2018, 11:35:04 PM
Okay, not certain which moderator to thank but am thankful, none the less.

Okay, lets get right to it!

WikipediA defines resonant inductive coupling or magnetic phase synchronous coupling as a phenomenon with inductive coupling where the coupling becomes stronger when the “secondary” (load-bearing) side of the loosely coupled coil resonates. This definition opens up a variety of ideas for me to investigate as I immediately saw an opportunity to remove all mechanics from the picture developing in my mind.

Conceptually, I clearly visualized a segmented group of electromagnets (primary coils) with each segment being pulsed in sequence which, in turn, were coupled to numerous secondary “collector” coils that resonate to the frequency at which the individual groups of electromagnets were being pulsed. All this is happening in a spinning magnetic field generated by the positioning and sequential pulsing of the electromagnets. Meanwhile, every single collector coil gets coupled with every single pulse of an electromagnet. The secondary or collector coils are actually tuned LC coils that are designed to resonate with the induced pulsing DC current provided to the electromagnets. Combined with the established rotating magnetic “field” and a secondary with no resistance (no inductive reactance or capacitive reactance) to current flow, the generator should become highly efficient.

Any thoughts . . . ?

The following illustration may help you understand my vision. Oh yes, I have been building the illustrated research tool and preliminary testing is quite encouraging.

Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on January 19, 2018, 11:39:52 PM
Oops, thought the animated gif. file would be supported here.  So, no animation!  What was to be demonstrated was the reversal of magnetic field in each segment as the pulsing continued around the toroid.  Imagine this at a significantly higher frequency.
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: gyulasun on January 21, 2018, 12:35:10 AM
Hi CoastieRM2,

Would like to ask how you would attempt to take energy out from your setup? 
Resonant LC coils normally work at reduced Q quality factors whenever one attempts to couple out energy from them, unfortunately, and any voltage 'gain' becomes less the more load is imposed. 

A question: do you use the electromagnets for doing 'tasks' other than exciting the tuned LC coils?  Also, do you use ferromagnetic cores in the coils? Also, how many 'segmented electromagnets' you are using? I ask just to better learn about your setup.

Thanks, Gyula



Okay, not certain which moderator to thank but am thankful, none the less.

Okay, lets get right to it!

WikipediA defines resonant inductive coupling or magnetic phase synchronous coupling as a phenomenon with inductive coupling where the coupling becomes stronger when the “secondary” (load-bearing) side of the loosely coupled coil resonates. This definition opens up a variety of ideas for me to investigate as I immediately saw an opportunity to remove all mechanics from the picture developing in my mind.

Conceptually, I clearly visualized a segmented group of electromagnets (primary coils) with each segment being pulsed in sequence which, in turn, were coupled to numerous secondary “collector” coils that resonate to the frequency at which the individual groups of electromagnets were being pulsed. All this is happening in a spinning magnetic field generated by the positioning and sequential pulsing of the electromagnets. Meanwhile, every single collector coil gets coupled with every single pulse of an electromagnet. The secondary or collector coils are actually tuned LC coils that are designed to resonate with the induced pulsing DC current provided to the electromagnets. Combined with the established rotating magnetic “field” and a secondary with no resistance (no inductive reactance or capacitive reactance) to current flow, the generator should become highly efficient.

Any thoughts . . . ?

The following illustration may help you understand my vision. Oh yes, I have been building the illustrated research tool and preliminary testing is quite encouraging.
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on January 21, 2018, 06:01:52 AM
Hi Gyula,

Thanks for the input and the question. Frankly, and I realize I am exposing my lack of knowledge here, I was hoping to address the Q factor with the unique use of magnetic field(s) and the unorthodox design. This particular build is my third attempt in creating manipulative magnetic field(s).   I have allowed myself the flexibility and mindset to approach and attempt to solve problems as they arose.  I wanted to create a complex of nine spinning magnetic fields in one overall larger magnetic field resembling a spinning vortex that I could manipulate with controlled pulsing patterns.

Currently all my electromagnets are custom wound by myself and then hand threaded on continuous wire cores with strategically placed Neodymium Ring Magnets for field orientation memory when electromagnets are absent charge. In each of the nine segments of the toroid there are two primary coil layers with three electromagnets mounted on wire in the inner primary layer of coils and six electromagnets mounted on wire in the outer primary layer of coils. Each segment is then pulsed in sequence with the controller.  The controller can activate the electromagnets one at a time in sequence or be rewired to control three segments of electromagnets at one time in sequence.  To visualize the energized magnetic fields, a fluid dampened compass was placed at the very center of the toroid to monitor overall magnetic field rotation and a special halo with nine fluid dampened magnets can be positioned to monitor individual magnetic field rotation. Magnetic field observations consistently show the center compass spinning counter clock wise with controllable speed by varying the pulse frequency with the individual halo compasses reacting to the closest segment being pulsed by spinning in the opposite direction (clock wise) of the center compass. Apparent saturation occurs and all compasses lock into position with the center compass parking at the same spot repeatedly and the halo compasses parking with the "N" pointing slightly towards the center.


With the 1 innermost collector coil, 18 mid level collector coils and 12 of planned 36 outside collector coils installed, preliminary testing shows significant EMF from the collector coils with no attempt to tune to resonance. As the pulse frequency is increased to the point where the compasses lock into position, the previously observed EMF will continue to increase with increased pulse frequency.
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: gyulasun on January 22, 2018, 02:13:36 PM
Hi CoastieRM2,

Thanks for the additional details, and we all surely have a certain lack of knowledge.  All what counts in the end is what the test results show in practice.  You will arrive at useful insights when you attempt to take out energy from the circling magnetic fields, just carry on building and testing.

Gyula

Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on January 28, 2018, 03:03:13 PM
Aye Gyula,
 Just recieved new order of wire, maybe now, I can finish this tool and then let the real work begin.




Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 31, 2018, 02:29:31 AM
The lack of knowledge in this area extends far beyond current theory.


There’s a particular Joule Thief configuration I toy with from time to time
That destroys capacitors way larger than any theoretical capacity of
“a dead AA battery”.


10 years into periodically reducing my capacitor supply
And I haven’t learned much about it.
Everyone just tells me “don’t do that”
I can’t argue, because nothing good has come of it
Neither can I help my curiosity


Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on February 01, 2018, 05:53:31 AM
Aye smOKy2,

If I gain nothing out of this venture other than a better understanding of electricity, the effort and the expense will have been worth it. As I get closer to finishing the tool, my curiosity overtakes my build routine and I have to play with it a bit.  Fortunately, I do believe that I have developed a tool that is interesting and exciting at the same time.  I think the learning curve is about to take a huge increase.

Just for the fun of it , I am including some initial testing samplings and additional build photos.

BTW, the initial testing verifies active magnetic field control, pulsing frequency control, and interesting output signals with less that 1/3 of the planned secondary coils active with dramatic increase in secondary output with increased pulsing frequency and additional secondary coils installed!
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:47 PM
The common electrical theory tells us that, at resonant frequency
inductance falls off completely, and that there would be no flux.
I find this to not be true, at least in practice. This may be because of
small variance in the ‘true’ resonance conditions between coils and core.
Like, we may not be able to ever match them perfectly enough to
reach a state of pure electrical oscillations with no magnetic field.
(I assumed at first this occurs in a lab, but have not seen it,
   as it turns out, the best labs cannot do it)


So when we build a device, like a joule thief, or whatever
and try to bring it close to resonance, we might can match the
self-resonant frequency of the coils, or of the core, but both might
not have a common factor. (within our available range)
Even when we maticulously engineer them to be this way, it may not
be possible to have the level of precision to achieve the ‘ideal situation’.


So, when we expect to find no magnetic flux, because there is no
resistance to electric flux, there is in fact, magnetic flux.


We can create an ideal situation when there is just one inductor and core
and in this state theory holds true.
 The inductor stops working at pure resonance.
We have to actually use it slightly lower or higher than its self resonant freq.


However, when there is a secondary, or multiple inductive couplings, we do not
achieve this state.
Undoubtedly there exists variables we cannot remove, or have not yet identified.
Self-interference may be the cause. The dynamics of which, I don’t think are very
well understood.


The same occurs when the inductive coupling is resonant, outside the self-resonance
of the core, or coils. (I.e. other resonant frequencies)
Tesla may have been the only person that truly understood that relationship.


When we think about “what” we are actually doing here
We are trying to match impedance with inductance.
In two ideal states both approach zero or infinity.
We have either no flux or no change in current.
In the latter, Einstein gives some relativistic perspective
However this violates Maxwell


Clearly, our electrical theory falls short.
Experiment, experiment, experiment
That is all we can do.
The answer lies somewhere between input and output
Which varies with frequency. (comparison of many resonant couplings)
Millions of research dollars are currently being spent trying to unravel this.
But it seems we are not much closer now than we were in the 70’s.



Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 01, 2018, 12:15:31 PM
My thoughts are that Einstein was wrong, at least as it pertains
to the propagation velocity of the magnetic field.


I say this because much of Einstein’s work was based on
Maxwell’s work. Therefore, if one contradicts the other,
both cannot be correct.


There are other unrelated experiments that seem to verify this.
And if we assume that the magnetic field propagates instantaneously
rather than at c, the real-world situation is expressed more closely
by the mathematical representation.
This, coupled with the time-independent function of the magnetic field,
makes more sense to me.

Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on February 01, 2018, 11:32:38 PM
Aye smOky2,
it is my prevailing thought, the one that keeps me awake at night, that there is an answer that we must keep searching for.  Hopefully, I have set a course that will assist in finding the clues that will eventually enable discovery.  In the mean time, back to the build.
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on February 04, 2018, 06:50:33 PM
Build continues . . .
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: Belfior on February 04, 2018, 10:11:36 PM
Oh Wow! I thought I had achieved something today when I got my new table drill mounted securely on a wooden slab with rubber feet under it.

That looks like a work of art!

PS. if you have hundreds of ideas sometimes it feels nothing gets done and there is no progress. Then you just end up looking at videos in Youtube.

The solution is to write down all your ideas, so you don't forget the good stuff. Then do just one thing every day. It could be just ordering missing parts or wrapping one coil. This makes you go forward all the time and not just watching videos all night and then trying to sleep with the same idea in your head every night.
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on February 05, 2018, 03:15:28 AM
Have been making progress with the build.  Completed 4 secondary coils yesterday alone, making that a very good day. As with every step of this build, nothing has been easy.  Hoping to finish the remaining secondary coils (12) without damaging any primary connections. BIG concern as any needed repair would require removal of secondary coils.  A task I would not enjoy!

While taking some time to double check connectivity to this point in the build, my curiosity got the better of me and I had to explore a little more.  A couple of anomalies have surfaced and will attempt to describe hoping someone may be able to provide some insight.

With the device powered up and the control unit adjusted to pulsing the primary (electromagnet) coils at a frequency of 2.000Hz, all appears to be functioning as anticipated. That is, visible magnetic field rotation with visible secondary rotation at each of the nine primary sets of electromagnets and a small amount of energy available on the secondary (collector) coils. This verification is made possible with strategically located compasses reflecting the described rotation.

Apologies for the poor video of the compasses but I am still learning the limitations of the site also.
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on February 05, 2018, 03:32:44 AM
With the unit powered up and I increase the pulsing frequency of the primary coils, as the frequency approaches that of the Schumann Cavity (7.813Hz) the compasses begin to slow and come to a complete stop slightly above same. The output energy on the secondary coils however, continues to increase.  As the compasses appear to park themselves, I find it interesting that they have parked themselves in alignment with the built in magnetic memory of the magnet cores.  I am perplexed by the apparent loss of active magnetic flux found at lower frequencies and the increase in induced energy without the presence of an active magnetic flux. There is, most likely, an obvious explanation. Will have to do some homework I guess.

Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: CoastieRM2 on February 06, 2018, 02:13:55 PM
Edited (corrected) version of above . . .
With the unit powered up and increasing the pulsing frequency of the primary coils to near that of the Schumann Cavity (7.813Hz), the compasses have both stopped spinning, appear parked and are slightly vibrating. The output energy on the secondary coils however, continues to increase.  As the compasses appear to park themselves, I find it interesting that they have parked themselves in alignment with the built in magnetic memory of the magnet cores.  I am perplexed by the apparent loss of "active", or excited, magnetic flux found at lower frequencies and the increase in induced energy without the presence of an active magnetic flux. There is, most likely, an obvious explanation. Will have to do some homework I guess.

Taking a break for a few days for a much needed trip down island.  Plan to park my butt in the sand somewhere and let the Caribbean sun and surf wash away this winter's crud. Perhaps I may even get an idea, or two, regarding the anomalies.
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: SeaMonkey on October 11, 2018, 07:28:18 AM
The project and the conversation got off to a good start
and has aroused considerable interest.  Would it be
possible to see an update?

Fascinating device.
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: benfr on April 24, 2019, 10:57:43 AM
if you want to produce a 700% OU voltage multiplication* with a  coil with resonance, please check this video from Rick Friedrich :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18kOGVfkoik
it uses the term "resonant inductive coupling" in a very simple way.
I can explain the experience further if needed.

* from 12 to 15 volts to light a 100V bulb, same amperes.
Title: Re: Seeking OverUnity through Resonant Inductive Coupling
Post by: Belfior on April 24, 2019, 11:37:05 AM
if you want to produce a 700% OU voltage multiplication* with a  coil with resonance, please check this video from Rick Friedrich :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18kOGVfkoik
it uses the term "resonant inductive coupling" in a very simple way.
I can explain the experience further if needed.

* from 12 to 15 volts to light a 100V bulb, same amperes.

Well resonance is room temperature super conductivity. OU is not very difficult to achieve. Biggest step is to get your head out of your ass. It seems to block the amperage ;)

It took me 2 years to get my head out. Rick uses one battery and mosfet to DC pulse a motor and then uses the BEMF from the motor to charge another battery. He used this setup to drive a large boat around for 3 years. Rick has good videos on how Kirchhoff breaks down as soon as you introduce frequency and branches to the circuit. Pretty much what Professor Lewin has said for ages https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZN0AyNR4Kw

Lewin is going to lose his job, because he is saying stuff that the energy companies (and the 4 trolls those companies have on this forum) do not like to hear

I just go with caps, because I don't like swapping batteries out or creating auto-rotation for them.

This might get you few inches out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdQt3nPWBDQ

People just down realize the answer is very simple and there are a multitude of ways to take advantage of these principles. Like no plant or animal or what ever do stuff the same exact way. You can strip most of the stuff away from these Kapagens and other circuits. They are just there to make you dizzy and waste 10 years of your life hunting some frequency or standing wave.