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Author Topic: new approach on a gravitational engine  (Read 3353 times)

Offline santiagopanduro

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new approach on a gravitational engine
« on: December 28, 2017, 02:23:28 AM »

Mechanical toroid
The device behaves like a mechanical toroid whose driving force is generated through an unbalanced weight pulley with lever system whose design allows to reduce the opposing forces to the direction of rotation and create a potential zone (area of ​​the extended arms) which has sufficient force to enable the next lever arm to move to the power generating zone.
In itself, all the power or torque of the device is designed to enable a single lever arm which creates a chain reaction and the consequent movement of the mechanism.
Even using the formulas applicable to the mechanism of lever of first genre will see the feasibility of the mechanism.

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Offline Ferisoda

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2018, 11:50:42 AM »
I want to know where to find this information and to publish it.

Offline norman6538

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2018, 11:10:59 PM »
I'm surprised no one commented on this since Jan 28 2017 so.

My observations - most wheels keel like a boat and I call that bottom heavy.


first draw an axle in the center then.
 draw a line around the weights
 observe the area between the circle and the line drawn around the
    weights.
     
1. is that area bottom heavy or left heavy ?... probably bottom heavy
2. is it bottom heavy?? count the weights below axle and how far below
3. how many weights does it take to lift the 1 oclock weight??
   how many degrees??/distance to lift it also
4. with 8 weights  then noon and 6 balance each other out
5. 10:30 and 4:30 looks left heavy
6. 9 and 3 left heavy
7. 7:30 and 1:30 left heavy
8. due to leverage only the 3 weights on the left can really turn the wheel.
   looks promising...

9. make a crude mockup to see if it wants to turn or just sit...   

Norman

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2018, 11:10:59 PM »
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2018, 05:08:58 AM »
Hmmm


Archer Quinn device,


Powered by solenoids


Build one and test it :)

Offline norman6538

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2018, 02:48:37 PM »
Using a crude setup with one weight at 10:30 and opposite that at 4:30 the wheel
truns counterclockwise about 110 degrees and stops. So I don't see this idea as
workable.  Then you have to apply work to lift and reset the weight at 1:30 to noon.
Prove me wrong by making it work. I'd love to be wrong.

I do not build big expensive devices until I see the basic principle in a crude
rapid prototype work. That is my style. It has saved me a lot of money and time
and embarassment.   

Norman

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2018, 02:48:37 PM »
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Offline iacob alex

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2018, 10:30:50 PM »
  Hi !
Related to the same approach ( wheel concept ) , take a look at :
https://youtu.be/SA7nol8sHL8
It's a very old approach (Middle Ages...Leonardo da Vinci,Bessler's MT13...) seemingly unworkable...due to the starting concept,in my opinion.
So , if we apply the redundancy / unnecessary repetition in this wheel design /...we can evolve and hope for a successfully test...simply, a lever(age) but not a wheel.
  Al_ex

Offline norman6538

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2018, 10:41:16 PM »
  Hi !
Related to the same approach ( wheel concept ) , take a look at :
https://youtu.be/SA7noI8sHL8
It's a very old approach (Middle Ages...Leonardo da Vinci,Bessler's MT13...) seemingly unworkable...due to the starting concept,in my opinion.
So , if we apply the redundancy / unnecessary repetition in this wheel design /...we can evolve and hope for a successfully test...simply, a lever(age) but not a wheel.
  Al_ex

youtube says video not available....

Norman

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2018, 10:41:16 PM »
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Offline norman6538

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comment about Bessler
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2018, 10:50:40 PM »
Many many very fine folks have worked very very hard for many years and have
not cracked it.  But then comes along the guys who say they have it figured out and
all have come to nothing....

So the problem as I see it is with either permanent magnets or gravity power you have
to set something up to do some work and that is easy then the power is there but
it then has to be set up again to repeat that. I call that the "reset problem". It takes
some work to reset for the repeat. I had one wheel that would reset itself by gravity
and it would turn a bit but it did not continue on far enough.

In Bessler's case his 1st wheel always wanted to turn and it had to have a brake to
hold it still. Pull the brake and off it went....

Bessler and Tesla and Moray and Stan Meyer and Skinner took some great stuff to their graves.

I really wish it were otherwise.

Norman


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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2018, 10:54:26 PM »
 Hi !
If so...type on youtube "Evolution of Perpetual Motion.WORK of Gravitational Power!",then search...
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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2018, 10:54:26 PM »
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Offline Les Banki

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Re: comment about Bessler
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2018, 01:45:49 AM »

Bessler and Tesla and Moray and Stan Meyer and Skinner took some great stuff to their graves.

I really wish it were otherwise.

Norman

Norman,

The trouble with you is that when you are given information, you IGNORE it and you continue THEORIZING, instead of doing REAL work!
May I suggest that you get onto Facebook and check out Kevin Hay and his work.  Make sure you get the right Kevin Hay.  He is in British Columbia and he owns and operates 'Vancouver Island Ormus'.

He has EVERYTHING worked out to PERFECTION and he also explains EVERYTHING you need to know!

No ifs, no buts, no maybe's.
STOP arguing and just follow his directions!

Cheers,
Les Banki

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2018, 02:03:07 AM »
Les I don't do facebook.



Here is the one https://www.facebook.com/TheRevLtD?fref=ts

I didn't find anything relevant there


 Can you possibly get that info over here where I can trust it?
Or since you seem to know all about it can you update us a little.

Does he show a working machine?
Norman

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2018, 02:03:07 AM »
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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2018, 02:49:43 AM »
Hi Norman,

Here is a link to a discussion of a build someone attempted to do of Kevin Hay's device.  The discussion starts with post number 984 and continues through post 1060.  There are some videos included.  Maybe after you have reviewed all that you can come up with a way to actually make it work.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11933-open-discussion-projects-forum-33.html

Respectfully,
Carroll

Offline Les Banki

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2018, 04:32:03 AM »
Les I don't do facebook.



Here is the one https://www.facebook.com/TheRevLtD?fref=ts

I didn't find anything relevant there


 Can you possibly get that info over here where I can trust it?
Or since you seem to know all about it can you update us a little.

Does he show a working machine?
Norman

Norman,

Understand that I could have emailed you the info in my post but I choose to post it here, hoping that others would take it seriously enough to check
out the info in its original form on Facebook!


Look, I don't "do" Facebook either but used my wife's account just to check out Kevin Hay's page!
I have been "at it" for over a month now, every day and I am still saving Kevin's input.
Thus, I now have 50 files in my Kevin Hay Folder!
As you already know, I have my own design but not as simple as Kevin's designs.  (He has at least 70 of them!!)

As for him "showing" a working machine, NO, he does NOT, for the same reason I don't display mine either!
Why?
Simply because supplying it on a "silver platter" defeats the purpose.

Over the years I have seen this happening many, many times on ALL Forums. 
Endless arguments, attempts to discredit, ridicule, name calling, claims  that "it is a fake" etc., etc., etc, "ad nauseam".

Learning and understanding the working principle is essential which is NOT learned by COPYING the work of others!
Period.

I have said this before and I repeat it again: skepticism and disbelief are caused by the inability to COMPREHEND.

A word of warning about the thread 'citfta' suggested in his post below.
At his suggestion, I supplied the info (a tiny bit of what is available!) for those without access to Facebook.
Look what has happened!

Be aware that the man (Ron) who had the opportunity to visit Kevin, BLEW it!  Completely and utterly!
Presented something COMPLETELY different in his video and has proven that he has ZERO understanding of Kevin's designs!
If you care to READ Kevin's comments under Ron's youtube video, you will see what I mean.
(I have it all on FILE, in case they are removed.)

However, having said all that, I wish to add that (again) in order to get free electricity, you need to pull your fingers out of from you know where
and DO some REAL work.  THEORIZING only will never give you free electricity!
End of story!

Cheers,
Les Banki

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2018, 10:30:23 AM »
What's the main problem here? I'll tell you, for free:

Kevin Hay does not have any kind of _actual_ overunity device. His claims of "COP 400" are simply false.

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As for him "showing" a working machine, NO, he does NOT, for the same reason I don't display mine either!
Why?

Why? The real reason is quite simple. It is because neither YOU Les, nor Kevin Hay, actually has a "working machine" that produces more energy out than it takes to run it.

Go ahead and PROVE ME WRONG by demonstrating your device IN A BLACK BOX if you don't want to serve it up "on a silver platter." Just provide valid input and output measurements, or show it running your home, shop, or marijuana greenhouses while it also runs itself.

You cannot. And neither can your current hero Kevin Hay.




Offline sm0ky2

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Re: new approach on a gravitational engine
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2018, 11:29:48 AM »
A series of crude hand-sketched drawings, a bunch of useless rhetoric,
and a curiously placed schematic of John Searl’s 1972 flying saucer......


Where are the “working models” he has built?


 

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