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Offline Grumage

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #150 on: December 29, 2017, 12:46:57 PM »
And a happy New Year to you and all in the “ free energy “ research area.

This is the direction that I’m currently taking.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3577.msg66279;topicseen#msg66279

Thoughts/comments?

Cheers Graham.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #151 on: December 29, 2017, 02:36:16 PM »
Now that's interesting!

Perhaps bring a positively charged plate very close to one side of the hot wax. If the wax was in a  grounded mold then it should become negatively charged. Keep the positive influence close until the wax hardens.

If the wax would actually lock in the negative charge state then you would have something like an electrostatic magnet.
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #152 on: December 30, 2017, 12:49:24 PM »
Dear Erfinder.

Thanks for sharing the demonstration.

You open showing that there’s no continuity between the windings of your machine and the output terminals. I assume that your machine is “ commutated “ either mechanically or electronically to achieve this?

Cheers Graham.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #152 on: December 30, 2017, 12:49:24 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #153 on: December 30, 2017, 04:32:33 PM »
Your demonstration proves nothing, illustrates nothing, because as usual you do not provide enough information to determine what you are showing and whether it is actually interesting or not.

There are any number of ways to produce what you've shown in your video. For example, just a simple, small, spark gap, off screen, in series with your wiring to the welding rods would allow you to show the same "zero conductivity or continuity" and "infinite (not "zero") resistance" readings from the meter. Then when you turn the device on and draw an arc from the visible welding rods, this small offscreen gap would of course be bridged, allowing continuity to the welding rods on-screen.

So you've demonstrated only that you have a high current output along with a small degree of HV necessary to jump a tiny gap. And that your power supply is somehow associated with a noisy motor that cannot sustain RPM when under the load represented by the short-circuit arc or the halogen lamp load. What has this to do with anything discussed in this thread?

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #154 on: December 30, 2017, 05:27:41 PM »
Erfinder, thank you for increasing my comprehension with that video. I am not blind, nor deaf.

One thing that has always bothered me is the textbook explanation of cemf in a coil. A voltage is produced in opposition to the applied voltage. I always wondered; Produced? From where? How? I have an inkling now.

I wish I was around when you posted all of your other videos.

Respectfully,
Cadman


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« Reply #154 on: December 30, 2017, 05:27:41 PM »
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #155 on: December 30, 2017, 07:24:58 PM »
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #156 on: December 30, 2017, 09:07:32 PM »
Well, of course, “HV” is a matter of perspective.
To me it appeared to be in the low voltage range of things.
But then again, perhaps my mark is set a bit higher


The current was impressive, and if what you state about your set-up is true
Based on its performance


My thoughts are that it resembles a 2-phase A/C motor
with probably a 2-phase a/c output across the tungsten


When you short the generator side, Maxwell and Faraday agreed that the
the change in current through the coil induces a proportional voltage in
opposition to the change. I imagine if you arc too long it will completely
stop your motor.
And as we also see, as soon as you break the connection it returns to the
original speed.


The other clue is that it operates at a specific rpm.


I could probably black box an identical device, but our windings would
be different. I would just reverse engineer the motor, based on your coil design.


If you want an arc-welder, just plug a transformer from any industrial appliance
Into a wall socket.
Arc off the secondary. Much more efficient
Good idea to have an in-line fuse lower than your house breaker
And do the same thing with learning how long to arc.


If you want to show off your motor (which actually looks interesting)
Then why not just show what it’s made of, instead of what it can do.


Or scope the duty cycle while you are arc-welding,
Or perhaps show something useful to make whatever point this has.


You tell us not to guess, then leave us guessing about the data you
are Not giving.


Are you claiming that this device is over unity?
And that the ‘secret’ is shown somehow by your video?




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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #156 on: December 30, 2017, 09:07:32 PM »
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Offline Dog-One

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #157 on: December 30, 2017, 10:33:48 PM »
Jack Noskills concept embedded in a rotational device.  Love it Erfinder!

I had a feeling when you smoked that last mo/gen you had, the next one would be even better.   :)



Induced and applied folks.  It's hard to get one's head wrapped around that, but you have to keep trying until you get it.  I can also testify it's real easy to slip backwards and catch a strong dose of "analysis paralysis".  You got to feel it in the gut, demonstrate it's real and never look back.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #158 on: December 30, 2017, 10:35:47 PM »
Quote from: EF
As Tk pointed out...the demonstration was of a noisy device capable of producing high current and a little HV...(don't know how the majority feel about it, but high current and a little HV....sign me up...)  (haven't seen anyone else do it yet, including TK, and don't think I'll be seeing anyone, TK included, doing it any time soon...)

Well, that just shows you haven't been paying attention. Not only can I do it (and have demonstrated it in my videos) but I can do it _wirelessly_.

And in addition, I explain and demonstrate exactly how I do it so that _anyone_ with the interest and skill can repeat for themselves what I demonstrate. That's what OPEN SOURCE is all about.

I'm not especially interested in one-upmanship. What I AM interested in is that people support their claims with rigorous testing, accurate data, and on this OPEN SOURCE forum, sharing enough details so that the work can be replicated and examined honestly.

If you don't want to talk about what you are doing... fine, then DON'T.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #159 on: December 30, 2017, 11:39:01 PM »
Sm0ky2 and TK,

The most significant thing in the video is not the generator output.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #160 on: December 31, 2017, 12:30:54 AM »
Sm0ky2 and TK,

The most significant thing in the video is not the generator output.


I guess that is to be interpreted.
We dont know what’s in the box


The most significant thing to me was the spark and the glow of the metal.
That gives me a pretty good idea of the voltage and current
without measurement


As far as the things he is hinting at, hes no Robert Ripley.






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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #161 on: December 31, 2017, 03:27:48 AM »
On the topic of OU...

A long time ago I came at this OU thing all backwards, trying to figure out how generators cut magnetic fields lines to “make” electricity. Of course that goes nowhere new by itself. So I started reading some physics and came across the explanations for charge, which led to electrostatics. We know that charge cannot be created or destroyed. So, does a generator generate by cutting lines of magnetic force or is there more to it?

Generators run for years, is all that electricity they put out contained in the copper and steel they are made of? Seems highly unlikely to me. I have never believed that the work used to turn the generator was the source of the electricity.. what, if I turn it by hand the energy I expend with my muscles is magically transformed into charge? No. If charge cannot be created then it must come from outside the generator. Electrostatic machines demonstrate that. To me, charge by influence is the most interesting of all.

Wouldn't it be great if we could just create a big charge sink and siphon off the charges flowing toward it?

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #162 on: December 31, 2017, 07:25:45 AM »
From what is shown in the video, there is no suggestion there was any OU effect.

While the welding rods were sparking, the generator noise was going down. This suggests the spark has consumed quite a significant amount of energy from the generator.

There was certainly a current in the spark. We cannot assume that the current in the spark was zero. If the current in the spark was high, the circuit would heat up everything around and you would never get OU.


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #163 on: January 02, 2018, 03:17:44 PM »
From what is shown in the video, there is no suggestion there was any OU effect.

While the welding rods were sparking, the generator noise was going down. This suggests the spark has consumed quite a significant amount of energy from the generator.

There was certainly a current in the spark. We cannot assume that the current in the spark was zero. If the current in the spark was high, the circuit would heat up everything around and you would never get OU.


I find a more accurate description to be that the current through the output comes from induction.
And that the perpendicularly oriented magnetic field induced an opposing force on the generator.
It is the second part that actually “consumes” the power of the generator.


if you negate friction, the same occurs in a solid-state format through a transformer.


Electrostatic induction occurs without the perpendicular magnetic fields.


for the same reasons we raise the voltage of long-distance power lines.
magnetic field falls off with a drop in current.
but by raising the voltage, power levels remain the same.
We lose less by transforming it back down at the point of distribution.


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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #164 on: January 02, 2018, 03:22:14 PM »
What I find to be interesting is by manipulating an electrostatic device
By choosing lightweight insulators
We quickly find ‘problems’ with the power equations.
especially when these machines are powered for long times using low-power
dc motors.


We know exactly the power consumed by the motor.
But attempts to calculate the power induced into the HV capacitors
do not conform to current theory.


The problem lies in the induced charge. Using capacitor duality,
we have a doubling of potential. Where does this come from?
the ambient?
0-point?
Or can it be related back into induction process?
If the latter is the case, then Maxwell was half-wrong,
or missing half of the information.


 

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