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Author Topic: The secret to Overunity  (Read 48183 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #105 on: December 24, 2017, 04:58:14 PM »
Quote from: smoky
My HV source provides infinite instantaneous current.

No, it doesn't.

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1+(-1)= (sqrt)-1^2

No, it doesn't.

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13.6eV + (-13.6eV) = sqrt(-184.96)

No, it doesn't.

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18.2(X10^-31)x(300(x10^6)^2x1.6(x10^-19) =5.1^5Coulombs
That is what is released in the collision

 :o

Wish I had some of whatever you've been smoking!   

Merry Xmas !!

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #105 on: December 24, 2017, 04:58:14 PM »

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #106 on: December 24, 2017, 06:08:54 PM »
This thread is a good reminder of why it is so important in the OU research area that people be
able to back up what they are claiming about OU with some sort of proper test setup.
Even then, if a test setup can't be shown to be self-sustaining over a reasonably long enough
period of time, then there is still always good chance for people overlooking important things influencing
the test setup results, or measurement error, etc.

A truly self-sustaining setup that can be shown to be self-sustaining for a reasonably long enough period
of time depending on the exact setup, would much more likely to be showing genuine OU, if it is not just a trick.
The reality is there are no shortage of people out there making all sorts of claims about OU, but much more often
than not it seems they can't back up what they are saying with a proper demonstration in a reasonable sort of way.
It's a sad statement about our world that there are so many 'mistaken' people out there making so many unfounded
claims about all sorts of things, but it is the unfortunate reality of this world it seems.

Season's greetings to all... :)
May you not be led down the garden path even once in the coming new year! :)


Offline SolarLab

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #107 on: December 24, 2017, 07:20:06 PM »
F.Y.I.

Some additional insight regarding "capacitor behaviour" also may be gathered by studying:

Electrophorus or electrophore: Wikipedia {note: classic books/papers might be a better technical
source - refer to some older posts for some excellent book links} - "a.k.a. capacitive generator."

Discovered/Invented by Johan Carl WILCKE 1762 - Alessandro VOLTA 1775
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophorus

Volta Electrophorus - possibly the original "first perpetual (OU?) free energy mechanism!"
[basically - charge it once and, under ideal conditions, the device will retain it's charge while, at the same time,
deliver a sustained output - it will self-replenish it's original charge]

Further concepts are developed here: About the relativity of the potential energy of the capacitor
{all 5 pages plus refernce links]
http://gorchilin.com/articles/energy/capacitor?lang=en

Note: I add these "F.Y.I." references on occasion when it appears to me that a promising thread reaches, what I will call,
a "Ground Hog Day" moment {I won't elaborate further since we all know what I mean}!
Hopefully, like we do in real life, we will pause and revisit, or renew, or re-think our process and approach. 

FIN

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #107 on: December 24, 2017, 07:20:06 PM »
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Offline Void

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #108 on: December 24, 2017, 07:41:38 PM »
Hi SloarLab. Although it should already be very clear, nowhere in this thread was anyone
suggesting that OU is definitely not possible, if that is what you are implying, and most
of my comments here were in direct response to specific things Tajerek was claiming, as some
of the things Tajerek was claiming were quite obviously based on misunderstandings of basic principles.

Electrostatic induction was already mentioned as an aside in this thread, but this wasn't what
was being discussed by the original poster. Electrostatic induction is a very interesting effect, and
it potentially holds some possibilities in OU research. It could possibly be the working principle behind
the 'testatika' device for example, if that is a genuine OU device. I have experimented some with
electrostatic induction, but so far wasn't able to produce anything beyond small but still interesting effects.

All the best...

Offline Grumage

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #109 on: December 24, 2017, 07:56:46 PM »
Hello All and Merry Christmas.

This is an area of research I will be looking at in the New year, when I can reliably obtain the ingredients to make wax Electrets.

I have an idea of a simple attraction motor. Your thoughts on how it might work, if at all, would be appreciated.

A disc of thin Aluminium sheet is covered by a slightly larger diameter of Polycarbonate. The Polycarbonate disc has got slots milled through its thickness. These slots extend from the centre point radially, just the same as the segments of a Wimshurst machine. I cook the wax mixture and pour into the slots cover with foil then pole the assembly with a positive potential applied to the base disc. I make a second one done the same way.

The poling voltage is going to be 20KV DC from an " air purifier/Ozone/Ion " generator module.

I then propose to mate the two discs back to back and provide an axle to be fitted into a pair of bearings mounted in a vertical fashion. The final part is a “ U “ section metal “ attractor “ ?? That goes to a good earth and is placed so that the rotor can run between the faces. Finished!

Cheers Graham.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Offline Void

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #110 on: December 24, 2017, 08:13:27 PM »
Hi Grum. Not sure exactly what you are describing, but do you mean a type 
of electrostatic motor, something like this:

Electrostatic Motor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k95BFrhr4G8

P.S. I guess you mean an electrostatic motor that has the high static DC voltage
source created using an electret? Very nice idea if you can get the electret to produce
a high static voltage!

All the best...


Offline Grumage

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #111 on: December 24, 2017, 08:53:31 PM »
Hi Void.

Yes similar. Below is the culmination of a series of tests with a Franklin style machine I built earlier this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJ0qHNWlBM

And yes to your PS. I'm hoping that an Electret, if I can make one that has a static charge of 20 KV per segment will work in attraction mode to a grounded " attractor " pair of plates. 

Cheers Graham.

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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Offline Void

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #112 on: December 24, 2017, 09:01:39 PM »
Hi Void.
Yes similar. Below is the culmination of a series of tests with a Franklin style machine I built earlier this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJ0qHNWlBM

And yes to your PS. I'm hoping that an Electret, if I can make one that has a static charge of 20 KV per segment will work in attraction mode to a grounded " attractor " pair of plates. 
Cheers Graham.

Hi Grum. Very cool!

All the best...

Offline Grumage

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #113 on: December 24, 2017, 09:14:14 PM »
My first venture into electrostatics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-AqL-8RGNc

And....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI

Merry Christmas....

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #113 on: December 24, 2017, 09:14:14 PM »
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #114 on: December 24, 2017, 09:56:24 PM »
My first venture into electrostatics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-AqL-8RGNc
And....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI
Merry Christmas....

Ha ha. Very nice!


The following video is maybe a bit unrelated, but I thought it was interesting
that you can distort a candle flame and smoke with an electrostatic charge:
What's In A Candle Flame?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7_8Gc_Llr8

All the best...

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #115 on: December 24, 2017, 11:14:54 PM »
@Tinsel


Have to performed the experiment of discharging two oppositely
charged Leyden Jars, independently
To Earth Ground?
And comparing this to the dual-discharge to each other?


the results vary slightly depending on the machine used
and conditions of the experimental environment


But what do these results tell you?
And how does that change your view on how we use electricity
in our modern equipment?


I can show you this mathematically on the atomic scale, it is how your semiconductors
function in your computer.


Even the basic form of a schottkey diode demonstrates this.


This is how we bridge the gap inside a transistor, or turn “on” a vacuum valve.


They buried Tesla over this. And hid his work for long enough to establish their wasteful
process of throwing 1/2e in the trash to charge us $$


We are just breaking the surface on what a positron actually ‘is’.
But the math for it already exists. We label the numerical value as a “lack of electron”
Or “electron hole”.
The math is the same. Math doesn’t lie. Just the people describing it.


We can argue over the semantical existence of positrons, but at the end of the day
We have a numerical conundrum.
If you like: Call it an atom that is missing its electrons and has also
some magical ability to defend from environmental electron absorbtion.
It’s the same.
We declare this at the elementary level, then ‘forget’ the equal and opposite value when we
apply the charge to our circuit. We ground it out and call it “0V”


You don’t see the problem with this?


Why does static electricity, when stepped-down, still spark through almost anything it finds?
Our 1-sided electricity does not do this as the same voltage levels.
When we step-up our modern electricity to HV it is not the same as what is produced by
Our induction machines. We can see this when we experiment with it.
it’s not the same substance, because the old form uses Both halves.


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Re: The secret to Overunity
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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #116 on: December 24, 2017, 11:19:16 PM »
And for the record, my 4-ft acrylic disk turns everything I own into a conductor.
Including rocks, plastics, glass, wood, concrete, and the 5/8 thick acrylic itself.


I estimate it to be over 1M after the first few seconds at 60rpm
5-gallon bucket caps click at faster than 6hz
And if they are too far apart one of them goes through to ground.
White paint bucket or the orange Home Depot one.
Which tells me I need to step up to a larger cap if I knew why material to use.


At 10-12 nf we’re talking about moving a joule in nanoseconds.
How many million Amps do we need for it to be considered
‘countably infinite’?

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #117 on: December 24, 2017, 11:41:12 PM »
Hi Void,

Please let me quickly clarify; my post was primarily geared toward suggesting a re-think
or expansion of "capacitance concepts" by way of referencing some electrostatic (electrodynamic)
principles.

BTW, I find Tajerek's approach to be, for the most part, consistent with those that
are sometimes presented when discussing electrodynamics with respect to capacitance. It's not
uncommon to use varying theories when discussing a subject, based on the process you are
attempting to describe.

Plus, I'm not sure the "displacement" part of Maxwell's equations (or at
least the revised version by Heavyside, et. al.) has ever been adequately resolved.

The Electophorus reference was provided to accentuate a change in charge (Q) of a capacitor
without the need or use of apparent electron flow as is defined in conventional current (i).

I hope that after reviewing the attached supplements you will appreciate my submission, at least
to some extent. Also, since these forums are not frequented to any extent, there's a lot that I miss.

FWIW. Briefly, one focused objective here is to review promising (working?) devices, theories and
concepts mostly by way of mathematical description(s) and prototype; such that further CAE/CAD
modelling and analysis can be employed to technically verify the approach; or at least point out
areas where current theory may need enhancement, modification or a complete re-write. The next
step so to speak!

And hey - that electrostatic wheel thing (see above) some fellow did on Youtube a while back - at
least we know it doesn't work as claimed using conventional theory... those one's are easy to
analyze and simulate!  Don't be too harsh - some of the the "masses" crave (need) their fake news!

Best wishes to one and all. May the "Clause" be with you!

SL

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #118 on: December 25, 2017, 12:52:04 AM »

BTW, I find Tajerek's approach to be, for the most part, consistent with those that
are sometimes presented when discussing electrodynamics with respect to capacitance. It's not
uncommon to use varying theories when discussing a subject, based on the process you are
attempting to describe.


Hi SolarLab. I guess you didn't follow the discussion too closely then. He really
wasn't making any sense that I could see, based on what his circuit diagram shows.  ;)
It was not a discussion of electrostatic induction. No worries however.

All the best...



Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The secret to Overunity
« Reply #119 on: December 25, 2017, 01:57:43 AM »
Both theories are correct in their own respect.


In one way the capacitor charges inductively
Change in charge induces opposite charge in the same way
that a moving charge induces its opposite.


In the other way, the capacitor is charged through brute force
Current
in either case, it becomes charged.


And discharges a given amount of energy based on the formula that was mentioned.


The math supports both theories, in the way in which they are applied.

 

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