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Offline Farmhand

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2014, 12:26:14 PM »
listen dude im not ur PA....if you want find out more go ask a question and see what comes of it ..............
their are few people in their that will show u what ur asking ..i am not going to start posting their threads just because you can not be bothered to do a little searching...i look forward to seeing ur post in their if you decide you want to question the members doing tests and actually own a coil or even make a coil regualr on a 1-1 ratio and show us it producing hi voltage  !!!

last reply cba with you now....

Give me a few days and a winding diagram of the vortex coil and I'll see if I can make a regular coil do a similar thing.

Question) Are the cols wound 1:1 as in two same length wires wound side by side  for the entire length of the wires ?

Meaning does the secondary and primary never part from side by side for the entire winding length ?

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2014, 12:26:14 PM »

Offline Electronix Hive

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2014, 12:35:03 PM »
Hi farmhand

when i say 1-1 i mean same length, same guage same number of turns...in regards to the wire
dont think of it as a transformer where the wire gauge or turns ration is different.
as for schematic no one has rly made one i guess u can watch daniels video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiGH4zRsO0U....
this shows how to make the coil. ull see it just using 24 awg 24 strands twisted together then wound round in a torus shape

Offline MileHigh

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2014, 12:41:57 PM »
Electronix Hive:

I will give you a pointer about resonance and I know I read similar comments to yours on the Nunez forum.  When you sweep frequencies and hit a resonance point you typically will see a greatly increased amplitude on your scope.  That is not "gain" the way you and most of the people on the forum think.  (I also watched a few of the associated YouTube clips.)  When you hit resonance what's happening is that the circuit is absorbing the energy from the signal source cycle by cycle until the resonating is at a very high amplitude.  So it represents the storage or accumulation of energy that comes from your signal generator being stored in the resonant components of the circuit.  The amplitude builds up to the point where the energy being burned off in the resonant components is equal to the energy being supplied by the signal generator.

So, most if not all of the people on the other forum believe that they are seeing an energy gain when you hit resonance.  It's not the case.  Think of a wine glass that resonates to the point that it breaks.  The same thing is happening, the glass is accumulating the sound energy.  If it vibrates but doesn't break then there are two things going on in the wine glass, 1) it is resonating at a high amplitude where the high amplitude is there because of the accumulation and storage of a bunch of cycles of sound energy, and 2) sitting on top of the high amplitude resonance is the continuous burning off of new sound energy coming in from the outside such that the input sound energy is equal to the amount of energy burned off.

So what appears as "gain" is just a mirage, it's just the storage of multiple chunks of energy supplied by the signal source.  For the wine glass it's the singer's voice, for the vortex coil circuit it's the signal generator.

What you have is a situation where beginning experimenters confuse energy storage in a resonating circuit with gain, when in fact there is no true gain.  The moral of the story is that if you are serious, you will want to learn electronics from the ground up.

MileHigh

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2014, 12:41:57 PM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2014, 12:58:21 PM »
Electronix Hive:

You copy my posting about resonance to the Nunez forum and you title it, "The Haters in overunity forum.....LOL."

Now you tell me, where is the "hate" in giving you a basic explanation for resonance?

I have to assume that you "know" what resonance is and when you see a higher amplitude sine wave on your scope that you are "sure" that you are seeing a gain.  There was a similar thing recently with respect to pulse motor pick-up coils being operated at resonance.

At the same time, you must have a feeling inside that I know what I am talking about.....

MileHigh

P.S.:  Woops!  Now the posting is gone.  My turn to LOL.

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2014, 01:02:41 PM »
what post u nar nar lol......
i was going to say it sounded a fair pint but don't explain what happening with the voltage rly
like i said im just a designer rly not experienced electrical engineer......
but yeah that might be a good idea to post it in the forum since ur not going to ask people who can give u a run for ur money......so to speak

who knows most might agree with you.....u have to stop asking me like i have all the answers as i have requested like 4 times now.......geez

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2014, 01:02:41 PM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2014, 01:20:39 PM »
Surprise!  I was an electrical engineer.

The reason I went back to the forum was to find a clip for Farmhand to help him with his replication.  You may have linked to it earlier but I think you went back and edited it out.

Here is the MrWarrensk clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfPbiOYdd7U

Farmhand if you look around on MrWarrnsk's channel you might find a better clip.  My suspicion is that the 1:1 vortex coil with a high voltage output on the secondary happens because the circuit resembles an ignition coil circuit.  The 1:1 air coil primary drive circuit shuts off quickly and the magnetic energy then discharges into a high impedance load connected to the secondary.

It is a genuine amateur clip from a beginner where he makes reference to resonance and increased amplitude or "energy gain."  His scope is on "chop" which is somewhat annoying but that's fine, all part of the leaning curve.

MileHigh

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2014, 01:26:09 PM »
Milehi ...
cheers for the info good to learn from all people. like i said i know these ain't no magic device...just interesting what they do and way to expensive from other sellers.....well the links are their if anyone wants to try or now....must put a close to this now getting long ...and making my hair grey lol

but i will say if anyone reading this does try these type of coils...whether it be cone/ vortex panacke and finds that some of the comments are wrong or even right on both sides they post it as i'm all for progression




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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2014, 01:26:09 PM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2014, 01:30:21 PM »
Cheers, perhaps Farmhand will buy your vortex coil formers for his test, you never know!

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2020, 11:00:09 PM »
hola como andan? vengo aca para aclarar algunas cosas, la sobre unidad es totalmente accesible para cualquiera, bobina 3 (250 vueltas CCW), en el mismo nucleo ponemos una bobina 2 (250vueltas CW), y una bobina primaria de 14 vueltas CW, osea la 1 y 2 CW y la 3 CCW, a eso metiendole con un generador de seƱal, a un mosfet driver canal N, tira cerca de 5kv aproximadamente, con un ingreso de no mas de 70voltios

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Re: VORTEX COIL FRAMES/FORMERS FOR SALE ...
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2020, 11:00:09 PM »
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