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Author Topic: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.  (Read 47614 times)

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Output comparison tests.
« Reply #255 on: June 21, 2018, 03:13:38 PM »

I want to thank everyone who's been keeping up with my comments and watching my videos. Especially member Gotoluc, who clued me in to the value of the high inductance choke off his "Self running coil" thread. My latest test proves he's been right the entire time.

I connected the coil electrodes from each EM to the DMM set on both the A.C. and D.C. volts scale and stabbed at them with the flat side of a ceramic block magnet, and got a huge difference in voltage output, in proportion to the difference in inductance. The consequences are awesome!

The 10 Henry choke is generating over 10 times the output! The high perm EM can oscillate a much larger piston magnet for the same input as the round EM, so just ball parking for now, the high perm EM attraction oscillator with the SPDT switch should be at least 100 times over unity. This is really dynamite!

There's really not any further to go with the project, it's perfected.

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Output comparison tests.
« Reply #255 on: June 21, 2018, 03:13:38 PM »

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #256 on: June 21, 2018, 04:14:04 PM »
@synchro1


Can you post a diagram image outlining what you are doing ? I'm not really following what you have described . .  :(


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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #257 on: June 21, 2018, 05:27:01 PM »
@synchro1


Can you post a diagram image outlining what you are doing ? I'm not really following what you have described . .  :(


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@truesearch,

Let me ask you a question first; You understand how wrapping an iron nail will increase the magnetic attraction strength of a coil of wire independently of input, right? The same nail will increase the electrical output of the coil, in the same proportion, from the motion of a permanent magnet. I need to know if you follow what I just stated before I can help you with a diagram.

The coil wrapped nail has an axial polarity. Now imagine we position a permanent magnet with it's magnetic polarity in opposition to the electromagnetic pole, that's attracted to the ferrite in the nail. So, the magnet's stuck on the nail head, until the coil that's wrapped around it is energized. That magnetic pulse then repels the permanent magnet, right? When the power pulse stops the magnetic attraction of the permanent magnet to the nail generates a current in the coil as it's attracted back.

It would return the power to source if we didn't wire a separate pathway to storage through the SPDT switch.

Naturally, this is an oversimplification and involves the B-H curve in actual practice.

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #257 on: June 21, 2018, 05:27:01 PM »
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #258 on: June 21, 2018, 08:01:52 PM »
@synchro1


That does make sense the way you've described. Thanks!

A question: wouldn't it take more electrical "energy" to power the electro-magnetic coil that has a permanent magnet with it's magnetic polarity in opposition to the electromagnetic pole? I'm just supposing that whatever "gain" is captured would be in comparison to the additional energy input. . .  :-\


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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #259 on: June 21, 2018, 08:20:31 PM »
@synchro1


That does make sense the way you've described. Thanks!
 
A question: wouldn't it take more electrical "energy" to power the electro-magnetic coil that has a permanent magnet with it's magnetic polarity in opposition to the electromagnetic pole? I'm just supposing that whatever "gain" is captured would be in comparison to the additional energy input. . .  :-\


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@truesearch,

That's really a very good question. Let me ask you this: Does a flashlight draw more power when it shines it's light against a wall then when it shines into free space?

This video by Woopyjump shows that there's no difference in input with or without the magnet pendulum in front of the pulse coil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLiUkno3tSY&t=7s

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #259 on: June 21, 2018, 08:20:31 PM »
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Mu.
« Reply #260 on: June 22, 2018, 08:38:50 PM »
The COP of the attraction oscillator I described to truesearch would be a function of the relative permeability (Mu) of the coil core.

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #261 on: June 22, 2018, 11:22:24 PM »
You'll notice two SPDT spring pressure switches, one one each end of the ceramic piston:

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #261 on: June 22, 2018, 11:22:24 PM »
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Ferrite powder:
« Reply #262 on: June 22, 2018, 11:26:19 PM »
I filled this pale green plastic Tupperware tub with dark gray beach sand from in front of my apartment, and placed two ceramic block magnets under the lid to ballast my electromagnet. When I opened it I noticed the magnets were covered with black magnetic ferrite powder which washes down from the nearby rivers and piles up on the beach. The pure ferrite powder material I scrapped off the magnets is in a pile on the piece of white paper in the photo. This material has a very high relative permeability or Mu value. It's simple to cold mold it into a solid core simply be mixing it with a linear polyurethane composite epoxy. This is why special interest groups will never be able to monopolize the high perm core market:

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #263 on: June 23, 2018, 07:19:32 PM »
Here's how nicely the laminated steel "I" stator fits inside the washtub pump coil:

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #263 on: June 23, 2018, 07:19:32 PM »
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #264 on: June 23, 2018, 08:45:41 PM »
The "E" core will not reverse magnetic polarity when I reverse the current polarity. It has potential but it's unsuitable for an attraction neutralization oscillator.
The "I' core tub coil does the job splendidly. My objective is to prove that the COP of the oscillator is in direct proportion to the core perm, and the "I" core and tub coil have tested out to be ideal. The "I" core coil projects a powerful "A" vector, unlike the "E" core. This is the platform I plan to continue forward with. I'll take inductance measurements when I return to testing soon.

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #265 on: June 24, 2018, 10:32:35 PM »

Video of new oscillator:

https://youtu.be/qGIuoLHgX9c

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #265 on: June 24, 2018, 10:32:35 PM »
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Twin washtub coils and silicon steel core.
« Reply #266 on: June 25, 2018, 12:22:44 AM »
We can see the solder joint a little to the right of the center between the coils. Also, the backing ceramic block which I place under the coaster beneath the electromagnet and the silicon steel core visible inside the top coil core: This version is delivering some gauss per watt dividends!

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #267 on: June 25, 2018, 03:10:04 PM »
Here's a comparison of inductance measurements: The 500 Newton electromagnet measures .052 Henries of inductance; The silicon steel coil .101. That makes the home made electromagnet twice as powerful, at over 200 pounds of attraction force!

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Force comparisons.
« Reply #268 on: June 25, 2018, 06:32:36 PM »
What's the best way to measure and compare magnetic attraction force between electromagnets? I'm showing two different electromagnets , one with twice the measured inductance of the other. I can demonstrate that the home made electromagnet with twice the inductance will drop two ceramic block magnets at the same spacing distance the electromagnet with half it's inductance will only drop one.

People grow skeptical about input. The input is fixed at 1500 ma at 12 volts through a 12 volt D.C. wall transformer. The electromagnet with half the inductance will draw the same power, and produce twice the waste heat as the electromagnet with double the inductance. The double the inductance electromagnet transforms the waste power into magnetic field attraction strength. That's the difference!

I'm setting up to perform this test. I need to buy a laser heat measurement instrument to insure accuracy.

What's the corollary? The electromagnet with twice the inductance will generate twice the electrical power from a magnet of equal strength and motion. I'll follow up with this test comparison in due course.

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Heat measurement comparisons.
« Reply #269 on: June 25, 2018, 10:38:13 PM »
I went shopping and purchased a Model AR350 Non-contact infrared thermometer. I connected each coil to a 1000 ma 12 volt wall transformer, and measured the temperature of each coil every two minutes for a period of ten minutes. Each coil went up around one degree Fahrenheit every two minutes.

Let's say one coil is generating twice the magnetic attraction field as the other, what inference can we draw? It's probably safe to assume that they're drawing around the same power.

More tests to continue.

 

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