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Author Topic: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.  (Read 51832 times)

Offline citfta

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #150 on: February 25, 2018, 04:10:31 AM »
Great video Carroll,but do you get the feeling that it will fall on deaf ears?

Sometimes we just have to let people walk there own path.

A negative resistor would become a power supply/battery.
You could just build a negative impedance converter--that would get  synchro1's juices flowing lol.


Brad

Hi Brad,

Yes I am pretty sure it will fall on the deaf ears of some.  I posted it mostly for the benefit of those who have been totally confused by all the misleading information posted in this thread.

Take care,
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #151 on: February 25, 2018, 09:22:57 AM »
Negative Impedance Converter=(NIC)  AKA  Negative Resistor Converter=(NRC) two acronyms for the same Op Amp circuit.

"This a wacky circuit"

"Ordinary resistors, which obey Ohms law in a simple way, drop a voltage across their terminals when a current flows and dissipate power that is lost as heat, according to the well known equation P = IV. When a current is pushed through a resistor, a voltage is dropped across the resistor and heat is still lost through the same mechanism. However, when our hypothetical device, which we will call a negative resistance converter, or NRC, has a voltage drop across it, a current flows through it in the opposite direction: from low to high voltage".

Not only does current flow from low to high voltage in this circuit, the capacitor behaves like an inductor and the inductor behaves like a capacitor.

The fact that we can build a circuit that reverses all known laws of electronics proves that perhaps the effect measured by me in my "Twin Serial Bifilar Spiral Coil" is real and not the result of instrument malfunction.

Behaving like an NIC, the coil is acting like a capacitor, but there's no power input. I believe power is flowing into the coil from a "Zero Point Energy" source that's substituting for a ground. There's a reaction going on inside the coil that's ceaseless. The NIC acts like it's generating energy (Exactly backwards) when it's attached to a load, but it has a power source. The "Quadfilar Spiral" appears to be drawing power in from the vacuum of space that registers as a negative value in inductance and is infinite.

Rather then build an NIC, I believe it would be better to build additional "Quadfilar Spiral" coils to experiment on. John Bedini used Quadfilar coils in his "Ferris wheel" motor that ran perpetually with no input. He contacted me because he believed my research impeded his patent application on the coil, and I informed him I was willing to relinquish any claim on the invention. Bedini left no specific schematic of his "Ferris wheel" circuit, but supplied us with some sketchy outlines.
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #152 on: February 25, 2018, 12:05:49 PM »
Negative Impedance Converter=(NIC)  AKA  Negative Resistor Converter=(NRC) two acronyms for the same Op Amp circuit.

"This a wacky circuit"

"Ordinary resistors, which obey Ohms law in a simple way, drop a voltage across their terminals when a current flows and dissipate power that is lost as heat, according to the well known equation P = IV. When a current is pushed through a resistor, a voltage is dropped across the resistor and heat is still lost through the same mechanism. However, when our hypothetical device, which we will call a negative resistance converter, or NRC, has a voltage drop across it, a current flows through it in the opposite direction: from low to high voltage".

Not only does current flow from low to high voltage in this circuit, the capacitor behaves like an inductor and the inductor behaves like a capacitor.

The fact that we can build a circuit that reverses all known laws of electronics proves that perhaps the effect measured by me in my "Twin Serial Bifilar Spiral Coil" is real and not the result of instrument malfunction.

Behaving like an NIC, the coil is acting like a capacitor, but there's no power input. I believe power is flowing into the coil from a "Zero Point Energy" source that's substituting for a ground. There's a reaction going on inside the coil that's ceaseless. The NIC acts like it's generating energy (Exactly backwards) when it's attached to a load, but it has a power source. The "Quadfilar Spiral" appears to be drawing power in from the vacuum of space that registers as a negative value in inductance and is infinite.

Rather then build an NIC, I believe it would be better to build additional "Quadfilar Spiral" coils to experiment on. John Bedini used Quadfilar coils in his "Ferris wheel" motor that ran perpetually with no input. He contacted me because he believed my research impeded his patent application on the coil, and I informed him I was willing to relinquish any claim on the invention. Bedini left no specific schematic of his "Ferris wheel" circuit, but supplied us with some sketchy outlines.

You put this in quotes.  So who are you quoting?  Where did this "Fantasy Island" statement come from?  What does a Quadfiler Spiral coil look like?  I was there when John Bedini demonstrated his "Ferris wheel" motor and the coils looked just like normal very large coils.

Why didn't you comment on my video?  Don't you see that there is no way for the current in a coil to reverse direction back into the supply?  The Leds clearly showed which way the current went when the power was removed from the coil.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #153 on: February 25, 2018, 12:50:19 PM »
Hi Erfinder,

I have a terrible memory when it comes to dates.  But it was the first conference.  At that time Rick Frederick was still with the Bedini camp.  I remember him taking hold of the edge of the wheel as it turned and it lifted him off the floor. 

Later,
Carroll

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #154 on: February 25, 2018, 12:52:13 PM »
Here are two ebay offers on a high precision LC meter,  type LC100-S:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/121281538518  and  https://www.ebay.com/itm/180901471370

Both meters are shown to measure a 4 turn air core coil, see the attachments below. The croco clips can give a comparison between the sizes of the two slightly different coils, there is a small difference in the OD of the coils, in the wire diameter and in the distance between the adjacent turns, these explain the inductance difference between the two coils.

Notice in the technical description of the meter that the display should be reset to zero before doing any L or C measurements.

Now if you plug in a piece of ferrite rod into any such coil while under the measurement with this meter, then do you think the display will show zero or negative L value with any position of the ferrite core inserted into the coil?  I do not think.

You show a 12 turn air core coil in your video first which is measured by your L meter as -0.003 mH i.e. -3 uH. What do you think the LC meter above would show for your own air core coil first?
I do not think it would show a negative uH value. If a 4 turn air core coil as shown in the two cases measures positive uH values, than it is impossible for a 12 turn coil to have negative uH value. 

It is a question of the resolution capability of a meter. What is the smallest recommended uH value for your meter to distinguish?  For the LC meter type above it is able to measure 0.001 uH inductance as the smallest value (from its data sheet).  Your meter does not have a uH range, only mH, unfortunately.   

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@smOky2, Citfta,

I built a copper wire coil with a variable ferrite core I showed in a video above. I positioned the core in the coil to measure zero inductance with my inductance meter. When I move the ferrite core out one centimeter, the inductance measures negative .001 mH. When I move it out two centimeters, it reads negative .002 mH. Now when I reset it to read zero, then move it in one centimeter it reads positive .001 mH and when I move it in again another centimeter it reads positive .002 mH.

Now are you two maintaining that the negative reading has no value over the positive one as a core locator?

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #155 on: February 25, 2018, 01:54:33 PM »

@smOky2, Citfta,

I built a copper wire coil with a variable ferrite core I showed in a video above. I positioned the core in the coil to measure zero inductance with my inductance meter. When I move the ferrite core out one centimeter, the inductance measures negative .001 mH. When I move it out two centimeters, it reads negative .002 mH. Now when I reset it to read zero, then move it in one centimeter it reads positive .001 mH and when I move it in again another centimeter it reads positive .002 mH.

Now are you two maintaining that the negative reading has no value over the positive one as a core locator?

I missed this post earlier.  I am impressed.  WOW  WOW WOW  You have given me a great idea that will save millions of dollars in research and will only cost a couple of minutes of time.  If I follow your logic all I need to do to create a negative resistor is the following.  I just connect a 10 ohm resistor to my meter and zero the meter.  Then I replace the 10 ohm resistor with a 5 ohm resistor and  HORAY,  I now have a negative resistor of 5 ohms.  Or maybe I can zero the meter for a 20 ohm resistor and then measure the 5 ohm resistor and get a 15 ohm negative resistor.  It is amazing the results you can get when you ignore the proper way to use test equipment.

YOU HAVE TO ZERO YOUR TEST EQUIPMENT THE PROPER WAY OR THE RESULTS MEAN NOTHING!!!

The misuse of test equipment is probably the number one reason so many people that actually know electronics consider free energy researchers to be a bunch of goofballs.

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #156 on: February 25, 2018, 03:10:27 PM »
Bedini's Quadfilars were large solenoid coils the size of oatmeal containers. The tiny capacitor in the video only charged to a specific mid-range level then it needed to be shorted before the spontaneous charging resumed. Bedini had his Quadfilars hooked up to small capacitors that dumped into larger ones.

Four wire off the shelf Radio Shack Intercom coil connected twin series bifilar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #157 on: February 25, 2018, 04:19:30 PM »
I missed this post earlier.  I am impressed.  WOW  WOW WOW  You have given me a great idea that will save millions of dollars in research and will only cost a couple of minutes of time.  If I follow your logic all I need to do to create a negative resistor is the following.  I just connect a 10 ohm resistor to my meter and zero the meter.  Then I replace the 10 ohm resistor with a 5 ohm resistor and  HORAY,  I now have a negative resistor of 5 ohms.  Or maybe I can zero the meter for a 20 ohm resistor and then measure the 5 ohm resistor and get a 15 ohm negative resistor.  It is amazing the results you can get when you ignore the proper way to use test equipment.

YOU HAVE TO ZERO YOUR TEST EQUIPMENT THE PROPER WAY OR THE RESULTS MEAN NOTHING!!!

The misuse of test equipment is probably the number one reason so many people that actually know electronics consider free energy researchers to be a bunch of goofballs.

@Citfta,

I watched the first part of your video. It would probably help if you cleaned your bench up before you started grabbing your video. You impress as the kind of technician I could rely on to fasten a solid connection. I bet you framed the shop broom you pushed around for twenty years and mounted it over your mantelpiece.

Neutralization of self inductance is related to the absence of inductive kickback. Current runs from the ground to a destination of higher voltage in the Op Amp NRC.

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #158 on: February 25, 2018, 05:06:38 PM »
           "We need one censor and one censor only and that's the censor to censor censorship".

Paraphrase from Julius Ceasar.


If the heat's too hot in the kitchen, get out!




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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #159 on: February 25, 2018, 06:51:50 PM »
OOHH
there's all kinds of censoring

Screaming ,fighting ,threatening...Bigotry

all a form of self censorship ,people get out the ten foot pole and don't engage .

and there is the Self censorship of Claims which do not hold up under scrutiny ....
after 5 years ...
a claim which should change the world in the simplest of experiments [would be an amazing gain mechanism]


stop lighting fires around others to try and draw the attention from the elephant in the room.

post a schematic and an experiment which can be replicated....to help dismiss the obvious potential for Meter artifacts or erroneous input being the actual gain mechanism

a few dozen eyes [BUILDERS} are waiting...and hoping you have more than threats or words of wisdom to offer.

Yeah
I'll leave your thread

till the next time you ring...


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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #160 on: February 25, 2018, 08:20:46 PM »
Synchro,

Since you must not have liked my video then do the same exact video with your own Leds and coil and power source.  Then explain why the Leds clearly show that current DOES NOT reverse when power is disconnected from the coil.  I know why you won't do that and you do too, to borrow an expression from TK.  His videos and mine clearly show that current does NOT go back to the source when power is disconnected from the coil.  Do your own video and prove us wrong.  You can't and you know you can't so why stick to your mistaken idea?  Just admit you learned something and move on.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #161 on: February 26, 2018, 01:07:02 AM »
OOHH
there's all kinds of censoring

Screaming ,fighting ,threatening...Bigotry

all a form of self censorship ,people get out the ten foot pole and don't engage .

and there is the Self censorship of Claims which do not hold up under scrutiny ....
after 5 years ...
a claim which should change the world in the simplest of experiments [would be an amazing gain mechanism]


stop lighting fires around others to try and draw the attention from the elephant in the room.

post a schematic and an experiment which can be replicated....to help dismiss the obvious potential for Meter artifacts or erroneous input being the actual gain mechanism

a few dozen eyes [BUILDERS} are waiting...and hoping you have more than threats or words of wisdom to offer.

Yeah
I'll leave your thread

till the next time you ring...


@ramset,


Get off my thread and stay off my thread!

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #162 on: February 26, 2018, 01:08:19 AM »
Synchro,

Since you must not have liked my video then do the same exact video with your own Leds and coil and power source.  Then explain why the Leds clearly show that current DOES NOT reverse when power is disconnected from the coil.  I know why you won't do that and you do too, to borrow an expression from TK.  His videos and mine clearly show that current does NOT go back to the source when power is disconnected from the coil.  Do your own video and prove us wrong.  You can't and you know you can't so why stick to your mistaken idea?  Just admit you learned something and move on.

Respectfully,
Carroll


@Citfta,

Here's the Hyperlink to the quote you requested.

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/technical-articles/negative-impedance-converters/

Current goes back to source if you send it there! Igor directs his flyback to source in his Reed switch video 2. You're just sending the flyback into the ground unnecessarily. You can't redirect the original pulse the same way Igor redirects his flyback. The inductive kickback is simply wasted by you because you're not channeling it correctly. Think about what Igor's doing with the inductive kickback in his video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWvI7T7h3tk&t=19s

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #163 on: February 26, 2018, 01:14:31 AM »
It is pointless to continue this argument
The author clearly does not, and is unwilling to understand
what a “negative inductance” actually is.


He thinks he has done something because he tricked his cheap meter
into displaying a (-) sign.


And isn’t willing to attempt simple error eliminating processes.


If you notice, without our help, he seems happy ranting amongst himself....

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #164 on: February 26, 2018, 02:07:18 AM »
@smOky2,

I have a handful of builds on this thread that are legitimate. I do much more then just waste time the way do. You pay attention: (By the way, my VICI is a top of the line LCR meter. How dare you!)

I realized I can loop the flyback to my (High Inductance AA Energex Rechargeable Battery Core) "Mega Super Joule Ringer" simply by running an additional clip lead from my positive LED rail to the positive electrode of my two AA's in series; The same way Igor does with his Reed switch spinner 2.

This will yield an Overunity light because the looped flyback output would be a function of the core inductance not simply a return of source input.   

 

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