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Author Topic: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.  (Read 57978 times)

Offline partzman

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #105 on: February 23, 2018, 08:13:33 PM »
@partzman,

Good point. The answer is yes, I shorted and reset the meter numerous times to double check the zero point. The important feature is that the negative and positive range value are in direct proportion to the position of the ferrite core relative to the zero line.

synchro,

Yes, I assumed you had zeroed the meter at previous points in time.  My simple test was to confirm at the time of measurement (as in the video) that the meter hadn't drifted from any previous zeroing attempts.  This would be a definitive test that would convince any nay-sayers and would be great if it was video recorded!

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #106 on: February 23, 2018, 10:30:55 PM »
synchro,

Yes, I assumed you had zeroed the meter at previous points in time.  My simple test was to confirm at the time of measurement (as in the video) that the meter hadn't drifted from any previous zeroing attempts.  This would be a definitive test that would convince any nay-sayers and would be great if it was video recorded!

Regards,
Pm


@partzman,


Maybe I'll re-run the test for you.

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2018, 10:40:17 PM »
The magnetic field that is building in this Tesla serial bifilar coil twin spiral, is a dielectric "B" field between the windings, not an "H" field that is outside the coil. The internal field is not measurable by magnetometer like the compass needle Tinselkoala uses to demonstrate no difference between the bifilar and single wire coil. This internal dielectric field stores useable power as demonstrated by the "Old Scientist" in his bifilar gain video posted above. 

The internal field exerts magnetic compression on the wire loops like the ceramic magnets around the .320 mH choke in the video that reduces coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP2xEKH4qdc&list=UUo9ItsUt0n5ayZlb5K_cwaA&index=2

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2018, 10:40:17 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2018, 11:02:08 PM »
Allen
Quote from: synchro
The internal field is not measurable by magnetometer like the compass needle Tinselkoala uses to demonstrate no difference between the bifilar and single wire coil. 
it would be better to leave other persons out of your discussions or better yet don't misrepresent the work of others
below is the only Video ever done By TinselKoala of a magnetic effect shown with a compass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5w8KhYrQk


Please put down the boxing gloves and just stick with the claim

you have plenty here who will listen to what your claim is ,no need to dredge up or misrepresent the work of others.

an effect on the bench and its benefit would be the way forward.

respectfully
Chet K


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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2018, 11:40:37 PM »
Allenit would be better to leave other persons out of your discussions or better yet don't misrepresent the work of others
below is the only Video ever done By TinselKoala of a magnetic effect shown with a compass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5w8KhYrQk


Please put down the boxing gloves and just stick with the claim

you have plenty here who will listen to what your claim is ,no need to dredge up or misrepresent the work of others.

an effect on the bench and its benefit would be the way forward.

respectfully
Chet K

@ramset,

Tinselkoala is measuring the "H" field not the "B" field. The "Inverse Henry" is the measure of the "B" field; Gauss the measure of the "H" field. There is a "Negative Henry" to gauss equivalency. The serial bifilar gain is in the "B" field.

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2018, 11:40:37 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #110 on: February 23, 2018, 11:55:40 PM »
Syncchro
TinselKoala is showing how to pulse a coil and spin a compass

nothing more implied or claimed.

your comments below, are all your own and are never mentioned or inferred in the Video

@ramset,


Tinselkoala is measuring the "H" field not the "B" field.

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here you have a real chance to get others to replicate

I must say feedback from everyone I have spoken with on this [FE builders not keyboard contributors]
Is VERY VERY Skeptical due to the nature of your demonstration and methods used to qualify your claim.

Immense possibility for measurement error [clip leads and meter artifacts ]

a bench demonstration repeatable by any builder showing a true gain mechanism would be conclusive.

anything else is just going to drag this out for another 5-10 years

respectfully
Chet K
PS
I must add, some are warming up the equipment in anticipation of a true Build anomaly [which as of this writing has not been shown].

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #111 on: February 24, 2018, 12:14:40 AM »
Syncchro
TinselKoala is showing how to pulse a coil and spin a compass

nothing more implied or claimed.

your comments below, are all your own and are never mentioned or inferred in the Video---------------------------------------------------
here you have a real chance to get others to replicate

I must say feedback from everyone I have spoken with on this [FE builders not keyboard contributors]
Is VERY VERY Skeptical due to the nature of your demonstration and methods used to qualify your claim.

Immense possibility for measurement error [clip leads and meter artifacts ]

a bench demonstration repeatable by any builder showing a true gain mechanism would be conclusive.

anything else is just going to drag this out for another 5-10 years

respectfully
Chet K
PS
I must add, some are warming up the equipment in anticipation of a true Build anomaly [which as of this writing has not been shown].


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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #111 on: February 24, 2018, 12:14:40 AM »
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #112 on: February 24, 2018, 12:26:00 AM »
Tinselkoala and ramset, Thamsanqa Jantije, the phony deaf sign interpreter from Mandala's funeral, and Stephen from "Django Unchained"; What a combination huh folks!

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #113 on: February 24, 2018, 12:28:42 AM »
and here you fall back to the lowest common denominator and easiest path [for you].


that is the second  racially insensitive and disparaging comment... to invoke humor??


this nonsense behavior is why persons don't interact with you... and ends up getting the eye of Administration and you end up being moderated.



why does it have to be this way ?




in 5 years you have made no further advancement to a table top demonstration of useful excess energy [with quality input measurements] to bolster this claim?


TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR
if what you seem to be implying were true


it would be reproducible VERY VERY easily and absolutely be a gain mechanism on anyone's bench and it would change the world.


But you have no build for the builders to replicate to show this??





does that not strike you as odd?? [measurement errors are easy to manifest in this type of experiment...
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #113 on: February 24, 2018, 12:28:42 AM »
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #114 on: February 24, 2018, 12:30:16 AM »
and here you fall back to the lowest common denominator and easiest path [for you].


this nonsense behavior is why persons don't interact with you and ends up getting the eye of Administration and you end up being moderated.[/size]



why does it have to be this way ?




in 5 years you have made no further advancement to a table top demonstration of useful excess energy?

@ranset,

Get off my thread!

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #115 on: February 24, 2018, 08:11:28 AM »
@Synchro


The circuits I linked on the previous page can help give you a more definitive view.


You should also make sure there is not any residual magnetism in your alligator clips.

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #115 on: February 24, 2018, 08:11:28 AM »
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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #116 on: February 24, 2018, 09:01:30 AM »
@Synchro


The circuits I linked on the previous page can help give you a more definitive view.


You should also make sure there is not any residual magnetism in your alligator clips.


@smoKy2,

The NIC is an Op Amp circuit. The Op Amp is an integrated circuit. The last two examples are negative capacitance followed by negative inductance. The difference is the reversal of the inductor and capacitor position in the feedback loop. I don't believe the negative inductance application the author's talking about is the "Inverse Henry" that we measure with the inductance meter, but a value that applies to the function of the Op Amp.

The pertinent question is; Let's say your correct about a magnetic field in the alligator clips, "Is the magnetic field in the clips a value measured by the inductance meter in the negative range"?

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #117 on: February 24, 2018, 09:22:32 AM »
@smoKey2,

Definition of "Inverse Henry" from Wikipedia:

"Magnetic reluctance, or magnetic resistance, is a concept used in the analysis of magnetic circuits. It is analogous to resistance in an electrical circuit , but rather than dissipating electric energy it stores magnetic energy. In likeness to the way an electric field causes an electric current to follow the path of least resistance , a magnetic field causes magnetic flux to follow the path of least magnetic reluctance. It is a scalar extensive quantity, akin to electrical resistance. The unit for magnetic reluctance is inverse Henry".

Magnetic reluctance stores magnetic energy, and it's unit is the "Inverse Henry". My assertion is that the measure of Henry's in the negative range by the digital meter is the measure of a stored magnetic field, and identical to the "Inverse Henry".  Negative values have inverse corollaries.

The "Inverse Henry" is a unit for the storage of magnetic energy. I maintain that the "Negative Henry" we measure with our digital meter is a measure of magnetic energy as well, and an identical value. Tinselkoala denies there is a relationship between the "Inverse Henry" and the "Negative Henry". People respect him as a legitimate authority while I regard him as an outrageous crank.

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #118 on: February 24, 2018, 03:43:54 PM »
Allen
your words are going over everyone's head ,most can't follow your  WORDS here

too many different languages and even those of us who speak the same language often have misunderstandings .

what they can follow are results on the bench ,unfortunately you are showing something almost everyone who touches a meter here sees all the time

a minus sign when there shouldn't be one....
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what do your words mean on the bench??

I  have heard suggestions from many builders here that your experiment if it were  not a meter artifact...
would be a gain mechanism in many very simple experiments.

Builders here have done many experiments

can you show one for them to build ?

words don't fly here , nor do minus signs on meters...anyone here can grab a meter and see minus signs


forget about the words for now

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Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
« Reply #119 on: February 24, 2018, 04:21:49 PM »
Allen
your words are going over everyone's head ,most can't follow your  WORDS here

too many different languages and even those of us who speak the same language often have misunderstandings .

what they can follow are results on the bench ,unfortunately you are showing something almost everyone who touches a meter here sees all the time

a minus sign when there shouldn't be one....
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what do your words mean on the bench??

I  have heard suggestions from many builders here that your experiment if it were  not a meter artifact...
would be a gain mechanism in many very simple experiments.

Builders here have done many experiments

can you show one for them to build ?

words don't fly here , nor do minus signs on meters...anyone here can grab a meter and see minus signs


forget about the words for now


@ramset,


I told you to get off my thread!

 

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