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Solid States Devices => Kapanadze devices and replications => Topic started by: RobertD on November 19, 2017, 05:41:08 AM
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Hello friends.
I just put this thing together, and wonder if anyone has comments.
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What you see is four (or twelve parallel) auto ignition coils. A spark plug, going into a high voltage primary through a diode, stepped back down to 12v, I would guess with a lot more amps than needed to drive this circuit, how much I can't tell you, but I think a lot. An arduino type of uC triggers the coils one after another, the more the better. The frequency is regulated by a microprocessor that can optimize for resonance. More coils allows higher frequency and more power.
I put #5 to show that more coils can be added.
Tesla said more power comes with high voltage and high frequency.
I think this can work. I have everything I need to build one with one coil.
I think this can drive a forklift motor.
A large step down transformer is needed so not quench any of the available power.
I'll make my own step down transformer to have an idea of what I need.
I'll use a MOT for trial. The 110 side because of the bigger wire, and use maybe 3-4 turns 3gauge wire for the output.
It will have to be rectified of course. And go through a golf cart driver circuit.
The stepped down voltage used is what you need for
the particular application, some forklift motors run on 36v.
Would need a separate coil for 12v.
My set up would be for the driver circuit to produce what is needed for constant speed driving, and to have a
supercap or battery bank for peak usage like acceleration or climbing. The circuit will charge the backup power during
low demand time, like city stop and go.
Robert Depelteau
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Hey guys, what's taking so long?
I posted it on Twitter already .
And other places.
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Thanks guys. Looking forward to see what comes of this.
visit my site: robertdepelteau.com
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Building the prototype, a couple of things I have to change. The MOT high voltage winding has to be the high voltage since the 110 side won't have enough reduction. And I'll try without the diodes first.
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Robertd said
I put #5 to show that more coils can be added.
Tesla said more power comes with high voltage and high frequency.
I think this can work. I have everything I need to build one with one coil.
Its all about power in and power out and watts is the best way do get that
electrically. Many great ideas fail this test. ie Milkovic and his hand powered
easy pushed but not measured pendulum fails that test.
As far as what Tesla said and Don Smith says that too but
remember short pulses are also short time and watts has a time factor too.
So 1 watt for a tenth of a second is 1/10 of a watt.
1 watt for a second is 1 watt.
Most people would try to get backemf from AC but you have DC and can't get that.
Norman
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What you see is four (or twelve parallel) auto ignition coils. A spark plug, going into a high voltage primary through a diode, stepped back down to 12v, I would guess with a lot more amps than needed to drive this circuit, how much I can't tell you, but I think a lot. An arduino type of uC triggers the coils one after another, the more the better. The frequency is regulated by a microprocessor that can optimize for resonance. More coils allows higher frequency and more power.
I put #5 to show that more coils can be added.
Tesla said more power comes with high voltage and high frequency.
I think this can work. I have everything I need to build one with one coil.
I think this can drive a forklift motor.
A large step down transformer is needed so not quench any of the available power.
I'll make my own step down transformer to have an idea of what I need.
I'll use a MOT for trial. The 110 side because of the bigger wire, and use maybe 3-4 turns 3gauge wire for the output.
It will have to be rectified of course. And go through a golf cart driver circuit.
The stepped down voltage used is what you need for
the particular application, some forklift motors run on 36v.
Would need a separate coil for 12v.
My set up would be for the driver circuit to produce what is needed for constant speed driving, and to have a
supercap or battery bank for peak usage like acceleration or climbing. The circuit will charge the backup power during
low demand time, like city stop and go.
Robert Depelteau
That's not the way to do it you need 2 spark gaps per HV supply one to limit the EHT voltage and another to collect the ionized partials going to your collector coil E V Grey tube.
Allen
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I would reply, but then it would not be RobertDepelteau circuit then :P
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Robertd said
I put #5 to show that more coils can be added.
Tesla said more power comes with high voltage and high frequency.
I think this can work. I have everything I need to build one with one coil.
Its all about power in and power out and watts is the best way do get that
electrically. Many great ideas fail this test. ie Milkovic and his hand powered
easy pushed but not measured pendulum fails that test.
As far as what Tesla said and Don Smith says that too but
remember short pulses are also short time and watts has a time factor too.
So 1 watt for a tenth of a second is 1/10 of a watt.
1 watt for a second is 1 watt.
Most people would try to get backemf from AC but you have DC and can't get that.
Norman
It should not matter AC or DC. If you power an inductor and then cut the power there will be a back EMF. Or just pulse a primary with DC and get AC to the secondary if I'm wrong on the first one
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Dear RD
You have your 14kV to 12v transformer labelled +/- on the output.
As you probably already know, the time averaged output of a transformer can never have a DC component, it's time averaged sum must always equal zero. (as Norman commented earlier)
If you indeed have a DC component on the output, you have something novel and should patent it quickly.
You can easily test for a DC component with an R-C filter on the output, e.g. an AC capacitor of 1uF in series with a I megohm resistor will give you a time constant of 1 second which should average out the noise of the spark gaps. Read the voltage across the capacitor on the DC scale of your meter.
I suspect with the applied filter you will see no net DC component.
Careful shielding will be required as most meters are strongly affected by intense local EMI, which will certainly be present in the vicinity of your spark gaps.
By the way do you have a hypothesis of what the circuit is supposed to do and if it produces excess power? There are easy ways to test for this if that is the claim, and I can help you with the testing.. If not, then it is just an energy wasteful invertor circuit.
Good luck and happy experimenting
Regards
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... , you have something novel and should patent it quickly.
One of the main reasons this planet is going to be destroyed
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One of the main reasons this planet is going to be destroyed
I was going to add one might also just publish the work as widespread as possible but didn't want to get too wordy. The main thrust of the reply was technical not political. I just meant that it would be truly novel to get DC out of a transformer without post rectification (also without asymmetrical saturation effects of course).
Yes patenting is a bad idea, it was said in jest.
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Always looking for better yields.
Once an idea is put in the public domain it's no longer patentable.
Of course the output is 12v AC. Rectified it gives 12v DC. The ignition coils are supplied with 12v DC, interrupted by the uC in turns. The output is fed directly into the MOT high voltage coil. After thinking and putting the transformer together, I decided not to use the 110 side as a primary cuz 35kv won't drop to 12v with only 120/3 turns. So it's even easier to build using the MOT as is. It will output around 300v AC, so I can plug a heater in it directly.
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Turns out ignition coils can be fed 50v to 70v and normally output 30/40kv. So my numbers are off. Turns out also that the ignition coils output back EMF to the spark plugs, so the diodes should be reversed. Right now I'm experimenting without diodes. Resonance should be a factor in choosing the frequency. With three coils which one should I resonate? Me thinks the high voltage on the MOT.
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It's probably a good idea to push the ignition coil as hard as it will take it. The higher the voltage the better the yield.
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It's probably a good idea to push the ignition coil as hard as it will take it. The higher the voltage the better the yield.
Now I found out microwaves use 3kv not 18kv so I have to modify the low voltage to get 110v .
As is I'd get 1500v which is too much.
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Always looking for better yields.
Once an idea is put in the public domain it's no longer patentable.
That’s not true.
You must license to be freely used
Or place the technology into commercial use.
Otherwise anyone can patent it, and it is then up to you
to spend the lawyer $$ to try and overturn their patent.
If you wait too long, it can be construed as uncontested,
and they may end up keeping their patent.
Also Robert: please understand the automotive coil is
NOT A TRANSFORMER!!!
At least not in the sense that we commonly think of.
The ground side is joined together inside the casing.
And because of this, it doesn’t work the same in reverse.
Some actually have 2 terminals at the HV output,
which can trick you.
Check the continuity between both ground terminals!
I was forced to learn this while trying to step-down static electricity.
Another point is the break-down voltage of the oil inside them.
two in series might be ok, as they overshoot the mark to prevent
internal arc-over.
However, 3+ may lead to internal short circuit or sparks between
turns of the coils.
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Now I found out microwaves use 3kv not 18kv so I have to modify the low voltage to get 110v .
As is I'd get 1500v which is too much.
That actually depends on the microwave design.
The best way to think about it is like a voltage-doubler.
In this manner you can take 2x the value of the capacitor.
For instance if the capacitor is 2800V then we know the circuit
is also 2800V, and when these two are added together, we have
5600V through the magnetron.
Now, this will confuse you when you examine the transformer
because your calculations will show a lower value.
You have to understand that in this circuit the voltage changes
every 1/60th of a second.
The “peak” voltage is about 40% higher that what we think it will be.
the equation generally used takes 1.414 as the accepted value.
For this reason, the transformer fed with 110V
is actually a 2,000V transformer. (in the example of the 5600V circuit)
different microwave ovens have different circuits.
there are “industry standards”, but it is not Law.
Because of patenting and availability of components, many different designs
are used.
It is best to look at the specific design of the oven you took the magnetron and
other components out of.
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Now I found out microwaves use 3kv not 18kv so I have to modify the low voltage to get 110v .
As is I'd get 1500v which is too much.
I'll just have to measure it.
Yes dear the ignition coil is not a transformer.
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I'll just have to measure it.
In this circuit the frequency is whatever I make it. It is driven by the computer. I'll set it for resonance of the high voltage coil. I think that would work. I think I fried my frequency generator connecting it to a driver transistor grounded to the circuit. I have all the grounds in common.
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In this circuit the frequency is whatever I make it. It is driven by the computer. I'll set it for resonance of the high voltage coil. I think that would work. I think I fried my frequency generator connecting it to a driver transistor grounded to the circuit. I have all the grounds in common.
All those coils and depending on the on time will cost you in the name of supply and it's just voltage (no current), how are you going to solve that little problem till you move on to the next one ?
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What do you suggest ?
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Build it, test it, report your results, discuss.
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That's what I'm doing.
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What do you suggest ?
Clamp it
Freeze it then
Use a heat gun and the clamp
to (carefully) remove the cap.
It is under pressure, the clamp lets you unseal it
Without blowing oil everywhere.
The glue should crack from the change in temp.
(if it didn’t blow in the freezer)
Slowly loosen the clamp until you see small oil runoff
If it starts to spray, tighten it.
Collect the oil. You will never be able to fill it back up
unless you get enough extra oil to submerge it
and then it’s only at 1atm pressure, so it’s overload
voltage will end up less than factory spec.
BUT: you can separate the ground internally inside the first
coil. Input ground to supply, output ground to common
ground.
Or use a 1:1 transformer between supply and the first coil.
(if you use a/c or pulsed dc)
And skip the pain in the garage above.
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Perhaps in can use a homemade ignition coil with separate ground to get amps out of the primary.
That's not hard to do.
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Perhaps in can use a homemade ignition coil with separate ground to get amps out of the primary.
That's not hard to do.
I think center tapped to ground is the way to go. Ignition coils are center tapped I think
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I think many if not all car ignition coils are a type of autotransformer (not 'auto' as
in car, but 'auto' as in self). This means that the primary winding + lead is connected
directly to the secondary winding. I'm not sure if all car ignition coils are made like
that however.
Also, someone said previously that if details of a device are posted in the public domain that the
device could still be patented by someone else. That is not correct. Once the details of a device/invention
are posted fully in the public domain the device can not be patented, assuming the patent examiner
is made aware that the details of the 'invention' were previously disclosed in the public domain before
a patent application was made. The reason for this is because patents are supposed to protect new,
never seen before inventions, but if the details of an invention are disclosed in the public domain before
a patent application is made then the invention is no longer considered 'new' and 'not previously seen before'.
All the best...
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https://utrf.tennessee.edu/PDF/Impact_of_PD%202-16-09.pdf (https://utrf.tennessee.edu/PDF/Impact_of_PD%202-16-09.pdf)
“public disclosure” on the internet is often not identity-related
as far as the u.s. patent office is concerned.
In reality, posting on this site grants the site owner more rights
than the actual “inventor”, who would then be obligated to prove
his/her identity.
Since most of us don’t use our real names here, this task would
be difficult.
Given the 1-yr time frame for filing:
Virtually anyone reading this information could (and sometimes do)
file for a patent.
If the inventor wishes to claim his/her legal rights to the technology or application
They are responsible for the financial burden of doing so.
This includes legal fees, filing fees, investigatory costs, etc.
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As it pertains to automotive ignition coil (non-ic type)
See image below
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The Commercial Use clause in U.S. patent law is all inclusive
and by far the best way to ensure the device stays unpatented.
This can be as simple as powering a single piece of equipment
at a company building.
Anything from powering manufacturing equipment to a desk lamp
could be construed as “commercial use”.
And by such, the device becomes ineligible for a patent under U.S. law
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I think many if not all car ignition coils are a type of autotransformer (not 'auto' as
in car, but 'auto' as in self). This means that the primary winding + lead is connected
directly to the secondary winding. I'm not sure if all car ignition coils are made like
that however.
Also, someone said previously that if details of a device are posted in the public domain that the
device could still be patented by someone else. That is not correct. Once the details of a device/invention
are posted fully in the public domain the device can not be patented, assuming the patent examiner
is made aware that the details of the 'invention' were previously disclosed in the public domain before
a patent application was made. The reason for this is because patents are supposed to protect new,
never seen before inventions, but if the details of an invention are disclosed in the public domain before
a patent application is made then the invention is no longer considered 'new' and 'not previously seen before'.
All the best...
Thank you sir.
Looks like I'll be playing with my coils some more.
The fact that the ignition coils are current limited pretty much nullifies the amplification.
I might as well put two MOTs back to back w a spark plug in between them.
Will continue to try and cascade the feeders for more gain. But try first with one.
I work primarily intuitively.
Rockets won't get us to the nearest stars.
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However, Gérard Morin says amps is not so important as voltage. I'll still build it and see how much amps I'll get out of it.
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Yeah! a car ignition coil is for a car, you can fool around with them all you like but a auto mobile ignition coil won't
but they wont get you where you want to be, if you did your home work you wold know that by now.
If you look back on some of Stefan's 1997 posts you would find out why by his tests.
It's amazing how we are taking a step backwoods !
AG
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Yeah! a car ignition coil is for a car, you can fool around with them all you like but a auto mobile ignition coil won't
but they wont get you where you want to be, if you did your home work you wold know that by now.
If you look back on some of Stefan's 1997 posts you would find out why by his tests.
It's amazing how we are taking a step backwoods !
AG
I know they're current limited.
I haven't done a lot of research on this, so I'm not familiar with Stefan's work.
If you post a link, I'd like to study it and save myself some time.