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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2025 on: August 13, 2019, 03:54:29 AM »
Chet,
It's like you are not only using your phone to type this, but you are distracted while doing, like driving or talking to someone.

No, the batteries do not have to be treated for four months prior to use. If Bedini told him that then that is not my fault and not the truth. I have taught this for 15 years now to thousands of people, including this customer. What you have done, is now disregarded that setup as worthless because you have misunderstood what actually took place or needed to take place.

Again, making this mobile is desirable, and that is fine. But it doesn't mean that it is not practical if it isn't. And that was also just the super basic setup. That was a long time ago as well. But it still worked as expected. Again, instead of saying, yeah it worked and did produce significant results, you have to exaggerate things and make it sound so bad. That is not the conversation I had with this customer. It was about needed a whole lot more power and there were other reasons that had nothing to do with my system. Yes, 2000W of free energy. But he had it on the lowest setting because he had really small batteries at low voltage. It was capable of a lot more.

This was exactly the same thing that the skeptics came to after 2+ years of similar debates. It's not enough free energy. I don't want to use batteries. Well I showed them more then, and more now if you bother to pay attention. Some people have and are off doing just that. But you have no way to evaluate technology so you just end up saying things you don't understand here.

You state facts? How do you know them? You misrepresented the facts. Did you go there and see it running so many years ago? You see people, I don't expect people to believe a claim that even supports me. That is not how things work. You have to prove these things for yourself. But here we have a positive claim that is being turned around to appear to be negative when that was not the case.

Bedini was not my boss as I have written already. You just don't know what say.
If you are not looking for conflict then stop creating it with by assuming things. If you have a question I always answer the phone. You could have avoided this needless hostility and make yourself look bad by intentionally trying to make me look bad.

Batteries are not going away any time soon. They are fine to work with. They are easy to learn several systems with. I can't help you if you are given to what you like and don't like. Beggars can't be choosers. Take what is freely provided and stop being so greedy with your insults for more. Most of the guys here don't even believe OU is possible, and you are insulting because you want more. You haven't even bothered to read so many of the things I have shared about how to multiply the basic system without batteries. So you need to stop sleeping (as you condemned others for) and read what has been shared and then save the world Chet. Surely you will succeed now. Because once you have it surely all the world governments and big corporations will allow you go give it to everyone in five minutes. And then we will just all hold hands and love one another. Yeah right. Just naïve.

Rick
you have your hair up for no reason, The batteries had to be treated / conditioned for four months prior to use
Then he used the system for 1 1/2 months  and it was a difficult thing to bring it back-and-forth from the job site every night with all the batteries .
 After all 2000 W on a job site ...one nice circular saw or chop saw and a drop light is what will run .
I state the facts and you accuse me of hostilities?
  Over the years I’ve heard other people mention odd behavior with batteries and I think it needs to be looked into
 David Bowling comes to mind  member Ciftfa  had an anomaly
 And of course all this we read here with batteries  and your old boss .
 I am hoping many more people come forward and share their stories and experiences (Stefan’s friend)
but first things first ...we try and understand what’s happening with the batteries ?
 If you would like to help ?.. that would be wonderful ..if not that’s OK too.
Not looking for any more conflict ,had plenty of that here already .
Definitely hoping more people come forward and share their experiences ,hopefully help others get there too.
And for additional clarity
when we first heard about your system From Aking 21 there were no batteries mentioned?
(that we were aware of )
To be absolutely clear... yes we don’t like batteries here
sure for a while it’s OK ...until we totally understand the gain
Mechanism.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2025 on: August 13, 2019, 03:54:29 AM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2026 on: August 13, 2019, 10:20:46 AM »
Hey Rick this machine must be what you have been talking about all this time!  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=FnhXZTi-Hso

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2027 on: August 13, 2019, 02:28:13 PM »
 OK
Hopefully a good experiment that can show a gain can be modeled , after speaking with the man at the lab ,  The best possible circuit to show the maximum surge in the proper direction while utilizing the proper battery  To collect ...will be assembled ,Hopefully some sensors giving input data to an arduino
 Or other method to collate the data And manage the cycling will be established.
  The rest should be self-evident .
RE recent comments
 had heard years back that there were machines sitting dormant ..was always confused by this ?
And honestly thought they were Johns machines ,When I read here that they were your machines
And now I read that John worked for you !
I felt an opportunity exsisted to advance this knowledge into the community .
 But now that the machines are gone ..?


I’ve written many times why I work open source , to me the biggest asset is the people and they will also benefit the most , A great motivator
 You have made it clear why you don’t work open source .


I take a very strong stance that lives and so much more depend on this technology and you seem to have come to peace with the cost of withholding and prioritizing your well being ... and a much slower path ,So far it’s been 15 years and you have 50 variants of OU ?


 As I have mentioned  many times ,there are hundreds of thousands of members in these FE forums
 I see people that can help Bring change ...And feel no need to micromanage ... I trust that they will understand  a well presented experiment with a clear schematic and very specific claims
 Claims which will withstand all scrutiny.


That is the goal here
 And we have amazing resources to investigate this .



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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2027 on: August 13, 2019, 02:28:13 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2028 on: August 13, 2019, 02:33:41 PM »
Ramset:  The way I see it is this:  Rick's credibility has been established.
Therefore we can take it on trust that his Don Smith information is verified as he claims...


So.......................................................................? ;) ;) ;)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2029 on: August 13, 2019, 02:47:45 PM »
 Aking
Yes that is the claim here and the goal
gain without batteries


I am hoping that more persons will share their results and Experiences
15 years has been long enough

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2029 on: August 13, 2019, 02:47:45 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2030 on: August 13, 2019, 03:29:28 PM »
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1 OU confirmed

Lies
No OU has been confirmed.
Please post link to confirmed OU device,where accurate measurements have been made.

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2 All the Naysayers who were moderated were correctly moderated because they attacked without proof.

The one's that should have been moderated are those making claim's,but could never back them up with real data.

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Now we have proof. Get over it Naysayers.  You lost the battle and the war

You have no confirmation or proof of an OU device.
You live in la,la land.

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And I was right to promote Rick after I did my due diligence (over 40 hours of watching his videos and talking to him on the phone).

No,you were wrong.

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I did all that for you.

Oh yes,we have all seen what you had part in,and that was getting good people moderated because they questioned Rick's claim's--along with your own.

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So I repeat what I said months ago.  We have a real treasure to mine here.  Be nice to Rick cos he has the goods we are all looking for.

Rick has nothing,and has shown nothing.
The only treasure that was delivered was an empty chest.

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Now it's time for me to get on with that Don Smith replication as I have also been sidetracked battling my corner. (and Rick's)

Oh please.
At OUR you  stated you couldn't even measure the power in and out in your own system,and now you claim to be building a Don Smith power waster.

Not one single device or person you and Rick keep quoting has a self running OU device--and that's a fact.

Rick's claim's have died--no one is interested in 100 more pages of nothingness,and that is all you and Rick have delivered.

In fact,you and Rick have done more damage to Stefan's forum than anyone else before you's.
This forum lost a lot of great experimenters due to you and Rick.
Thankfully at OUR you were put back in your box before it got out of hand.


Brad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2031 on: August 13, 2019, 05:06:57 PM »
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Lies
No OU has been confirmed.
Please post link to confirmed OU device,where accurate measurements have been made.

The one's that should have been moderated are those making claim's,but could never back them up with real data.

You have no confirmation or proof of an OU device.
You live in la,la land.

No,you were wrong.

Oh yes,we have all seen what you had part in,and that was getting good people moderated because they questioned Rick's claim's--along with your own.

Rick has nothing,and has shown nothing.
The only treasure that was delivered was an empty chest.

Oh please.
At OUR you  stated you couldn't even measure the power in and out in your own system,and now you claim to be building a Don Smith power waster.

Not one single device or person you and Rick keep quoting has a self running OU device--and that's a fact.

Rick's claim's have died--no one is interested in 100 more pages of nothingness,and that is all you and Rick have delivered.

In fact,you and Rick have done more damage to Stefan's forum than anyone else before you's.
This forum lost a lot of great experimenters due to you and Rick.
Thankfully at OUR you were put back in your box before it got out of hand.


Brad


Agree 100% with tinman.


ramset - don't let RF's BS get to you and it seems that is his purpose - he probably hopes you will go away as he posts all his attacks.   I never thought I'd see the day when someone was attacking one of the most helpful people here who has done nothing but try to get free energy to the people.   We know you are the good guy Chet.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline citfta

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2032 on: August 13, 2019, 05:17:01 PM »

Agree 100% with tinman.


ramset - don't let RF's BS get to you and it seems that is his purpose - he probably hopes you will go away as he posts all his attacks.   I never thought I'd see the day when someone was attacking one of the most helpful people here who has done nothing but try to get free energy to the people.   We know you are the good guy Chet.


I agree 100% with both you guys.  So far the only thing proven in this thread is that some people are great at generating word salad that says nothing of substance.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2033 on: August 13, 2019, 06:38:15 PM »
That is similar but significantly different.

Hey Rick this machine must be what you have been talking about all this time!  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=FnhXZTi-Hso

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2033 on: August 13, 2019, 06:38:15 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2034 on: August 13, 2019, 06:58:39 PM »
Chet,
So far I don't have any indication that you contribute anything but words and insults. You have no care for details and just blurt out what comes to mind or what you vaguely remember or misremember. Maybe you justify your significance here in this work.

Again, you heard things but don't pay attention to details. Bedini had a few larger monopoles, 6 coiler, 10 coiler, and 12 coiler that indeed sat and collected dust. They were almost never run, and it was me that ran them here and there for the most part. I also had the big batteries in my shop as well. Bedini never powered anything in the shop or home all those years even though several of us urged him to. He would not even make an electric vehicle.

These motors should have gone to the shareholders but I don't think that happened. All the details about those motors have been long shared by me. The patents are also expired so it is open source Chet. Take the time to learn the basic details before you issue your condemnations.

I had my own motors that were 4 coiler, 10 coiler and 12 coiler and the magnetic window motors. These were very similar. Later I changed them with about seven significant differences to allow for more than double the torque, etc.

You say you "work open source". What work have you done? Talk?

I have been the most open source of anyone in this work. Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Therefore I see you as a deliberate hostile provocateur. You continuously say the opposite from what you know or what is obvious.

For the last 15 years who has been the one sharing all this information Chet? Was it you? No. It was me. So more lies from you.

In light of your deliberate distortions and lies here why would anyone want to have anything to do with you. You also have no ability to judge these matters yourself. So all your words here have been useless and destructive.

OK
Hopefully a good experiment that can show a gain can be modeled , after speaking with the man at the lab ,  The best possible circuit to show the maximum surge in the proper direction while utilizing the proper battery  To collect ...will be assembled ,Hopefully some sensors giving input data to an arduino
 Or other method to collate the data And manage the cycling will be established.
  The rest should be self-evident .
RE recent comments
 had heard years back that there were machines sitting dormant ..was always confused by this ?
And honestly thought they were Johns machines ,When I read here that they were your machines
And now I read that John worked for you !
I felt an opportunity exsisted to advance this knowledge into the community .
 But now that the machines are gone ..?
I’ve written many times why I work open source , to me the biggest asset is the people and they will also benefit the most , A great motivator
 You have made it clear why you don’t work open source .
I take a very strong stance that lives and so much more depend on this technology and you seem to have come to peace with the cost of withholding and prioritizing your well being ... and a much slower path ,So far it’s been 15 years and you have 50 variants of OU ?
 As I have mentioned  many times ,there are hundreds of thousands of members in these FE forums
 I see people that can help Bring change ...And feel no need to micromanage ... I trust that they will understand  a well presented experiment with a clear schematic and very specific claims
 Claims which will withstand all scrutiny.
That is the goal here
 And we have amazing resources to investigate this .

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2035 on: August 13, 2019, 07:33:41 PM »
Brad,
It is true that OU cannot be confirmed through the internet. But you ignore the FACT that hostile Chet, and so many others here, scolded me for not showing a Lab testimony. Then Chet tells me what Lab to use and they had already had the very results I mentioned here. This is rather ironic isn't it? I mean, I wouldn't blame you if you didn't believe Chet as he admits he has no ability to evaluate electrical technology. And why would his statement from people at that Lab mean anything to anyone else who did not witness such things? Well at least this should shut him up from all those condemnations. Yet it hasn't apparently.

Again, it really doesn't matter what is shown, demonstrated, etc., because you guys all have an agenda here to silence and disprove OU. Data is meaningless unless you were there to fully observe it and know all the parts, equipment, and environment. You are a joker Brad, you need to read a book and learn what science, evidence and proof is. Indeed you are right when you say this about yourself: "The only treasure that was delivered was an empty chest."

Moderation was not based upon doubting anything but because of repeated abusive attacks as far as I could see.

Do you have the all-seeing-eye Brad that you know that: "Not one single device or person you and Rick keep quoting has a self running OU device". I showed a video of a guy that demonstrated just that. That is evidence for a self-running OU device. But somehow you determine what is fact. You are everywhere and know everything so that you can create your own reality I guess. You spend too much time in fantasy so that you can't even tell what the real world is. Apparently you really believe this and so you are actually deranged.

So now my claims have died. Yeah, that's why we have 156,000 views on this thread about just a few of my claims. The nothingness is from the likes of you and others that never respond to my points but just make empty statements like OU is impossible, You didn't do this. You can't do that. You don't know anything. Bla bla bla.

But on the contrary, there are many people who are watching and benefiting from this one-sided exchange. Several of you, especially you, have lost your credibility completely. Guys who followed you from the beginning. Guys who know your back story and why you are acting this way even. They are very disappointed with you Brad. The Tinman lacks a heart.

I am very glad that I have damaged all the Troll activity from you guys here. That is why so many people are cheering behind the scenes. This forum has been mostly useless because you guys, and others before you, have controlled it with the sole purposes of suppressing OU research. That is the purpose of OUR as well apparently. It is now a proven fact well demonstrated in these last 100 pages. The views here show how significant this is. Your desperation to counteract that also demonstrates this. If you were correct that I have shown nothing and have said nothing important then all of you would just have moved along, Trolling as usual. But no. You admit that I ruined all this trolling. I answered all the questions again and again you guys didn't answer my questions. You pulled every trick in the book. You lied, twisted, deflected, and even reveled in using red herrings! You have been completely closed minded. You even apologized several times in the middle of this. This is all desperations Brad. Maybe you are fighting so hard to keep your job and suppressing OU? Is that the case Brad? I mean, why are you here making such a fool of yourself over and over again?

You lost everyone finally when you took the gullible credulous position in denying the following after all that has been said:

POINTS HAVING BEEN PROVEN SINCE JUNE 2019:
1. OU Claims and Disproof OU Claims Cannot be Proven Over Video, Pictures, and Words Over the Internet. People Can Only do Science and Prove Truths of Demonstration to Themselves In The Real World.
2. Forums Can Only Provide Information to Other People which Needs Personal Verification Unless it is Self-evident.
3. Free Energy and Over Unity Do Not Imply Self-running or Self-looping, while the Inverse is True.


author=a.king21 link=topic=17491.msg538360#msg538360 date=1565653726
Lies
No OU has been confirmed.
Please post link to confirmed OU device,where accurate measurements have been made.
The one's that should have been moderated are those making claim's,but could never back them up with real data.
You have no confirmation or proof of an OU device.
You live in la,la land.
No,you were wrong.
Oh yes,we have all seen what you had part in,and that was getting good people moderated because they questioned Rick's claim's--along with your own.
Rick has nothing,and has shown nothing.
The only treasure that was delivered was an empty chest.
Oh please.
At OUR you  stated you couldn't even measure the power in and out in your own system,and now you claim to be building a Don Smith power waster.
Not one single device or person you and Rick keep quoting has a self running OU device--and that's a fact.
Rick's claim's have died--no one is interested in 100 more pages of nothingness,and that is all you and Rick have delivered.
In fact,you and Rick have done more damage to Stefan's forum than anyone else before you's.
This forum lost a lot of great experimenters due to you and Rick.
Thankfully at OUR you were put back in your box before it got out of hand.
Brad

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2035 on: August 13, 2019, 07:33:41 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2036 on: August 13, 2019, 07:51:10 PM »
Mister Friedrich,  not meaning OU but better efficiency performance :
you wrote to get the torque doubled( by same input !?)!
How much torque/Nm per Watt or VA ( AC or DC or pulsed DC )?


http://www.chorusmotors.gi/technology/index.php

Other electric motor high torque claimer :
https://peswiki.com/directory:electric-motors


"... can outperform any existing electric motor now in use or undergoing testing by a factor of at least 1000 in terms of torque out for watt in ,...."  ???
http://maddsci.tripod.com/george/id11.html

James A. Dinnan ,Georgia ( University Professor ?)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=TW&NR=200627764A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20060801&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

Table 6.  3-phase motor
Before 552 Watt per hour               later with " concept" implementation : 182 Watt per hour

Heat pump with/out Meta C motor C.O.P. ?                   

                                     Jakelj                       

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2037 on: August 13, 2019, 08:58:43 PM »
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Lies
No OU has been confirmed.
Please post link to confirmed OU device,where accurate measurements have been made.


Ramset confirmed it


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You have no confirmation or proof of an OU device.
You live in la,la land.

No,you were wrong.
Ramset confirmed it

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Oh yes,we have all seen what you had part in,and that was getting good people moderated because they questioned Rick's claim's--along with your own.
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I had nothing to do with anyone being moderated.  Another Tinman wrong assumption.

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Rick has nothing,and has shown nothing.
The only treasure that was delivered was an empty chest.


At OUR you  stated you couldn't even measure the power in and out in your own system,and now you claim to be building a Don Smith power waster.
That is because in my book when you have no input you do not need to measure.  ::)

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  Not one single device or person you and Rick keep quoting has a self running OU device--and that's a fact.


Rubbish.

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Rick's claim's have died--no one is interested in 100 more pages of nothingness,and that is all you and Rick have delivered.

In fact,you and Rick have done more damage to Stefan's forum than anyone else before you's.
This forum lost a lot of great experimenters due to you and Rick.
Thankfully at OUR you were put back in your box before it got out of hand.


WAS I?
Let's examine Itsu's results:-



" Post by Itsu on OUR :  concerning the charging of a battery using the HV of the big coil, it went nowhere, so i removed the 3 satellite coils surrounding the big coil.

Now some more HV is available to charge the battery as the charge current went up from 2.2mA to now 6.53mA.
The voltage went up in a few hours from 12.83V to now 12.87V.

Hopefully this extra power is enough to start "conditioning" the battery.

By the way, the input to the big coil / gate driver is now 12.59V @ 12mA (was 7mA with the 3 satellite coils).

Itsu
Running overnight, the charge battery is now at 12.92V (@ 6.48mA) and the primary battery at 12.56V (@ 12mA).

Itsu "

So let me see:  In put battery went from 12.59 volts to  12.56 volts a loss of -0.03 volts.

The charging battery went up from 12.83 volts to 12.92 volts a gain of               + 0.09 volts

You also detected that the battery did not increase in temperature.  That means it was charged by cold electricity as a battery should increase it's heat signature when charged.

So we have an overall gain of +.06 volts.

These are your figures according to your highly scientific test.

Obviously the batteries need rotating for at least a month to ensure the results are accurate..  But it's a good start....



You are looking stupid Brad....

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2038 on: August 13, 2019, 09:35:16 PM »
I posted this on OU.com but apparently it needs to be repeated here.


Aking,

Those small changes in voltage mean NOTHING!  You seem to know almost nothing about battery chemistry.  Voltage level of a battery is a very rough approximation of what is going on with the battery.  A few degrees of change in the room temperature can make a difference in the battery voltage.  And conversely a minute charge current of only a few milliamps will not raise the temperature of a battery.  The only accurate way to gauge what is going on within a battery is to use a battery analyzer which measures the capacity of the battery and the internal resistance of the battery and gives a much more accurate reading of the charge level of the battery than just a voltage reading.


It is statements like yours and others from Rick that make those of us with real electronics experience just shake our heads.  I am not meaning to put you down but you really need to take the time to properly learn about electronics and in this case battery chemistry if you want to be taken seriously.  I don't at this point see any hope for Rick but I am hoping that with enough time you will wake up to the real world so that you can seriously study and work toward OU if it is possible.  I believe it is, but have yet to find it.  Unfortunately I have seen enough of Rick's word salad to know he is not leading you in the right direction.  I at one time was also led down the garden path by Rick's mentor John Bedini and his cohort Erron.  My own research and study and years of experience helped my to see they were leading me in the wrong direction.



Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #2039 on: August 13, 2019, 09:38:17 PM »
I posted this on OU.com but apparently it needs to be repeated here.


Aking,

Those small changes in voltage mean NOTHING!  You seem to know almost nothing about battery chemistry.  Voltage level of a battery is a very rough approximation of what is going on with the battery.  A few degrees of change in the room temperature can make a difference in the battery voltage.  And conversely a minute charge current of only a few milliamps will not raise the temperature of a battery.  The only accurate way to gauge what is going on within a battery is to use a battery analyzer which measures the capacity of the battery and the internal resistance of the battery and gives a much more accurate reading of the charge level of the battery than just a voltage reading.


It is statements like yours and others from Rick that make those of us with real electronics experience just shake our heads.  I am not meaning to put you down but you really need to take the time to properly learn about electronics and in this case battery chemistry if you want to be taken seriously.  I don't at this point see any hope for Rick but I am hoping that with enough time you will wake up to the real world so that you can seriously study and work toward OU if it is possible.  I believe it is, but have yet to find it.  Unfortunately I have seen enough of Rick's word salad to know he is not leading you in the right direction.  I at one time was also led down the garden path by Rick's mentor John Bedini and his cohort Erron.  My own research and study and years of experience helped my to see they were leading me in the wrong direction.



Respectfully,
Carroll
If you read my post fully I concluded that it  was a good start.  I added that the batteries would have to be rotated  for at least one month to be sure.  Do you not agree with that analysis?

 

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