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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 268644 times)

Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1785 on: July 31, 2019, 07:45:53 PM »
Can someone point me to or provide me with a reasonably clear schematic and any essential build details of
the most basic form of such a circuit arrangement as is being discussed here which should be showing over unity,
or at least showing something unusual?

I would be happy to build and test such an arrangement as long as I don't have to wind a whole table top pile 
of coils. If there is a simpler form of this arrangement which shows an unusual effect, I will take the time to
build and test it.

All the best...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1785 on: July 31, 2019, 07:45:53 PM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1786 on: July 31, 2019, 07:47:14 PM »
If my videos or words here were useless then why are they such a hot topic that have resulted in people making such strong attacks in manifest contradiction? You don't understand what evidence is, nor how I give evidence because you have not come to grips with the following:

POINTS HAVING BEEN PROVEN SINCE JUNE 2019:
1. OU Claims and Disproof OU Claims Cannot be Proven Over Video, Pictures, and Words Over the Internet. People Can Only do Science and Prove Truths of Demonstration to Themselves In The Real World.
2. Forums Can Only Provide Information to Other People which Needs Personal Verification Unless it is Self-evident.
3. Free Energy and Over Unity Do Not Imply Self-running or Self-looping, while the Inverse is True.

That's strange idea to post since Rick has already said in his video that you could power the input with the power from one of the outputs.  So he is already claiming OU. But he refuses to offer any evidence to support that claim.  I am not doubting there are those that don't want free energy or OU to be widely available to the masses.  But Rick's videos so far don't support his claims of OU so I don't think he has anything to worry about.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1787 on: July 31, 2019, 07:55:35 PM »
This is another example of T coming in way late in the debate to pull another red herring again. Yes a diversion from the point at hand, out of context point to distract people from what is important. There is already video on that but since that is not the point then it does not matter. When I brought this up I did say exactly that, that it is merely a logic signal into the gate driver, so it is nothing to consider.
Again, it is a waste of parts to try and forcibly loop the output around in such ways when you could instead to a sympathetic resonance setup as I have mentioned. What good is it if I spend all my efforts to make something merely run itself without any useful load in the end? If you want to do that there are easier ways of doing that.

In all fairness, and giving the benefit of doubt to RF, I believe his statement from the video says that he can power the _frequency generator_ with output from one or several receiver coils. But recall that the FG is just supplying the clock signal to the mosfet driver chip, yes? And the main power being switched by the mosfet driver chip is coming from a power supply or battery, am I right?

So the claim isn't actually a claim of complete self looping, if he isn't claiming to power the _whole system_ from just the output of a few coils. That is, if I am interpreting his statement correctly. All he is claiming is that the frequency generator itself can be so powered.


But I still don't think he can do even that.


Please correct me if I am wrong! I would be very happy if RF is actually claiming to be able to run the whole system from the output of one or several receiver coils... because I know for sure he certainly cannot do that!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1787 on: July 31, 2019, 07:55:35 PM »
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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1788 on: July 31, 2019, 08:07:58 PM »
Like I wrote Void, you are void of truth. You will not admit the following:
POINTS HAVING BEEN PROVEN SINCE JUNE 2019:
1. OU Claims and Disproof OU Claims Cannot be Proven Over Video, Pictures, and Words Over the Internet. People Can Only do Science and Prove Truths of Demonstration to Themselves In The Real World.
2. Forums Can Only Provide Information to Other People which Needs Personal Verification Unless it is Self-evident.
3. Free Energy and Over Unity Do Not Imply Self-running or Self-looping, while the Inverse is True.


Yes, everything communicated over the internet will remain unknown to everyone but those who are in the real world doing the measuring over time. Proper measurements have been done, as well as self-looping.

You are right in a way you did not intend: "resistance is futile" in reactance OU circuits. That's kind of the point I've been making. But I am not saying you can't put resistive loads on the final outputs.

Hi Rick. All the false and misleading statements and deflections and excuses in the world will not
ever change the facts of the situation. Unless proper measurements or self-looping testing is done, then the actual performance of any such setups remains unknown. The use of LED lights in such an arrangement is no real practical help at all. If it is claimed that the LED lights are consuming about 1 Watt or more, then there should be no reason that those LED lights can't be replaced with 1 to 3 Watt incandescent bulbs. I have posted a weblink here to a web store which sells such small incandescent bulbs.

Resistance is futile... the truth will prevail. Only proper testing will show how these setups really perform. ;)

P.S. If you or others are not making any claims about seeing more average power out than the average input power with such a setup, then I don't understand what the point is here.
This is overunity.com, and this is an open source forum. :)

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1789 on: July 31, 2019, 08:53:49 PM »
GROUNDS FOR ELECTRICAL OVER UNITY RESEARCH:

"The conventional Maxwell theory is a classical linear theory in which the scalar and vector potentials appear to be arbitrary and defined by boundary conditions and choice of gauge. The conventional wisdom in engineering is that potentials have only mathematical, not physical, significance. However, besides the case of quantum theory, in which it is well known that the potentials are physical constructs, there are a number of physical phenomena—both classical and quantum-mechanical—which indicate that the Aµ fields, µ=0,1,2,3, do possess physical significance as global-to-local operators or gauge fields, in precisely constrained topologies." Barrett 2008, Topological Foundations of Electromagnetism.

2. "Tesla's approach to electrical engineering addresses primarily the reactive part of electromagnetic field-matter interactions, rather than the resistive part. His approach is more comparable with the physics of nonlinear optics and many-body systems than with that of single body systems. It is fundamentally a nonlinear approach and may be contrasted with the approach of mainstream electrical engineering, both linear and nonlinear. The nonlinear aspects of mainstream EE are based on feedback in the resistive field, whereas the nonlinearity in Tesla's approach is based on oscillators using to-and-fro shuttling of energy to capacitive stores through non-circuit elements attached to circuits. These oscillator-shuttle-circuit connections result in adiabatic nonlinearities in the complete oscillator-shuttle-circuit systems (OSCs). As a development of this approach, 3-wave, 4-wave...n-wave mixing is proposed here using OSC devices rather than laser-matter interactions. The interactions of oscillator-shuttles (OS) and circuits (C) to which they are attached as monopoles forming OSCs are not describable by Kirchhoff's and Ohm's laws. It is suggested that in the OSC formulation, floating grounds are functionally independent and do not function as common grounds. Tesla employed, rather, a concept of multiple grounds for energy storage and removal by oscillator-shuttles which cannot be fitted in the simple monolithic circuit format, permitting a many-body definition of the internal activity of device subsystems which act at different phase relations. This concept is the basis for his polyphase system of energy transfer. The Tesla OSCs are analogs of quaternionic systems.... It is shown that Tesla's OSC approach is more appropriately (succinctly) described in A four potential form, than in E, H, B and D field form or by Ohm's law. That is, the boundary conditions are of crucial importance in defining the functioning of OSCs." Tesla's nonlinear oscillator-shuttle-circuit (OSC) theory. By T. W. Barrett. 1991. Compared with linear, nonlinear-feedback and nonlinear-element electrical engineering circuit theory.

IMPLICATION:
All reasoning and metering that limits all circuitry or systems to such "resistive," "singular" or "linear theory" is arbitrary, circular, immature and unscientific. This is the substance of most disproof claims on this thread. My responses have exposed this as such.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1789 on: July 31, 2019, 08:53:49 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1791 on: July 31, 2019, 10:49:13 PM »
GROUNDS FOR ELECTRICAL OVER UNITY RESEARCH:

"The conventional Maxwell theory is a classical linear theory in which the scalar and vector potentials appear to be arbitrary and defined by boundary conditions and choice of gauge. The conventional wisdom in engineering is that potentials have only mathematical, not physical, significance. However, besides the case of quantum theory, in which it is well known that the potentials are physical constructs, there are a number of physical phenomena—both classical and quantum-mechanical—which indicate that the Aµ fields, µ=0,1,2,3, do possess physical significance as global-to-local operators or gauge fields, in precisely constrained topologies." Barrett 2008, Topological Foundations of Electromagnetism.

2. "Tesla's approach to electrical engineering addresses primarily the reactive part of electromagnetic field-matter interactions, rather than the resistive part. His approach is more comparable with the physics of nonlinear optics and many-body systems than with that of single body systems. It is fundamentally a nonlinear approach and may be contrasted with the approach of mainstream electrical engineering, both linear and nonlinear. The nonlinear aspects of mainstream EE are based on feedback in the resistive field, whereas the nonlinearity in Tesla's approach is based on oscillators using to-and-fro shuttling of energy to capacitive stores through non-circuit elements attached to circuits. These oscillator-shuttle-circuit connections result in adiabatic nonlinearities in the complete oscillator-shuttle-circuit systems (OSCs). As a development of this approach, 3-wave, 4-wave...n-wave mixing is proposed here using OSC devices rather than laser-matter interactions. The interactions of oscillator-shuttles (OS) and circuits (C) to which they are attached as monopoles forming OSCs are not describable by Kirchhoff's and Ohm's laws. It is suggested that in the OSC formulation, floating grounds are functionally independent and do not function as common grounds. Tesla employed, rather, a concept of multiple grounds for energy storage and removal by oscillator-shuttles which cannot be fitted in the simple monolithic circuit format, permitting a many-body definition of the internal activity of device subsystems which act at different phase relations. This concept is the basis for his polyphase system of energy transfer. The Tesla OSCs are analogs of quaternionic systems.... It is shown that Tesla's OSC approach is more appropriately (succinctly) described in A four potential form, than in E, H, B and D field form or by Ohm's law. That is, the boundary conditions are of crucial importance in defining the functioning of OSCs." Tesla's nonlinear oscillator-shuttle-circuit (OSC) theory. By T. W. Barrett. 1991. Compared with linear, nonlinear-feedback and nonlinear-element electrical engineering circuit theory.

IMPLICATION:
All reasoning and metering that limits all circuitry or systems to such "resistive," "singular" or "linear theory" is arbitrary, circular, immature and unscientific. This is the substance of most disproof claims on this thread. My responses have exposed this as such.

And exactly where does Barrett specify that the Tesla OSC's are OU?

Pm

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1792 on: July 31, 2019, 11:50:17 PM »
Isn't it amazing? The most amazing property of Rick's OU is that it can tell the difference between test equipment with calibrated loads, and random fans, batteries and LEDs! The random fans, batteries and LEDs all show OU according to him, but the test equipment doesn't and actually _cannot_, apparently.

But can Rick actually power his Frequency Generator from the output of one or several receiver coils, as he himself said in one of his videos? Or is he too busy running away from Red Herrings?





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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1793 on: August 01, 2019, 12:19:07 AM »
Ok Red! I'm running!  :o
Isn't it amazing? The most amazing property of Rick's OU is that it can tell the difference between test equipment with calibrated loads, and random fans, batteries and LEDs! The random fans, batteries and LEDs all show OU according to him, but the test equipment doesn't and actually _cannot_, apparently.

But can Rick actually power his Frequency Generator from the output of one or several receiver coils, as he himself said in one of his videos? Or is he too busy running away from Red Herrings?

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1794 on: August 01, 2019, 12:31:25 AM »
Ok Red! I'm running!  :o

The best I've heard lately on this topic.  ;D

Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1795 on: August 01, 2019, 12:32:10 AM »
Not necessarily. If something was self-looped then there would not need to be a measurement. We don't measure the sunshine to determine if it is there.
My point is not against measuring but against making baseless universal statements made by people who don't even understand how to measure these things. There are different meters to measure different things, but all of them are made by people for specific conditions and circumstances.

Fazit : there is a need to measure and calculate : Joule/ cycle

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline Raycathode

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1796 on: August 01, 2019, 12:45:44 AM »
You guys might be interested in this John Badini video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4tO0kBOzqk&t=116s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtGz4QHJ0e4
Void AG was interested in showing us these two videos and JB's video 7 but the second video is important
I suggest you make a point in watching it.

Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1797 on: August 01, 2019, 12:46:05 AM »
I'm running! 

Yes, that has been obvious for quite a while already.  ;D
I asked for a basic schematic and any essential build details for a basic setup which
could show OU or anything unusual at all, so I could build it and test with it, and got nothing
back in response from Rick...

Running... from the truth, it would appear... ;)
Really, self-loop testing is nothing to be afraid of at all, unless of course you already know it will fail
such a test, so that is why you are avoiding showing such a test.

Hopefully Stefan will show such a demo... I will be interested to see the results of a self-loop test.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1798 on: August 01, 2019, 12:54:35 AM »
This is not a Red Herring, it is an unambiguous claim that Rick can run his Frequency Generator on the output of one or several of his receiver coils. A claim that is unsupported by even the slightest attempt at demonstration.

So Rick Friedrich can just make all kinds of wild claims, post his RED HERRINGS to try to distract everybody from the FACT that he cannot do what he claimed to be able to do. That's a new standard for OU, for sure!








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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1799 on: August 01, 2019, 01:06:30 AM »
Ok Red! I'm running!  :o
You claim in your Red Herring graphic that my videos are "fictions". Yet everything in them is supported by demonstrations and checkable facts, and full information is provided for anyone to repeat what I've shown. Of course you would not know that since you have not watched them.

 That is, my videos are not "fictions".... but yours definitely are, since nobody can reproduce what you claim, your information is incomplete, and your delivery is amateurish and boring.



Now, are you going to demonstrate running your FG from the output of one or several receiver coils, or are you going to admit that that claim was a great FICTION and you cannot do it?

 

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