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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 184446 times)

Offline benfr

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1530 on: July 23, 2019, 12:53:19 PM »
http://rexresearch.com/barbat/barbat.htm

Now mr lancafour, I am impressed !
I just took a look at this link .
It is an ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL EXTENSION TO Rick 's RICK (resonant induction coupler kit) !!!
A MA ZING !
That's the most interesting post around the kit that I've read so far, except for those forumers posting their kit exepriences of course.

mr a.king, too bad you did'nt say yes to my request for an Atelier ;D ! God has been doing that for me right with This !  :D

I do have those many coils due to my successful replication of Rick's kit with cheap cables, so I could be experimenting soon with introducing this Sir Barbat setup to Rick's.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1531 on: July 23, 2019, 01:59:46 PM »
Hi a.king. Actually from the screen shot posted here, it appears there are coils beside coils beside coils, each coil acting to pass the energy through
to the next coil until the load is reached.
 
 

All the best...


Not a very scientific reply I am afraid. 
So explain to me how according to the inverse square laws the mr16 is lit at all - when all the intervening coils are also illuminated.
Unless of course Rick's theory that "each coil makes a magnetic copy of the original (at resonance) and retransmits the magnetic field" is plausible. 
Methinks some EEs should get a gaussmeter

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1532 on: July 23, 2019, 02:02:10 PM »
I have spoken with Bill  Barbat many times it would pain him to Think people would compare the two.
If it was this easy ,Bill and MANY others would have done it decades ago ..and he is still trying ..[last I heard been a cpl years]
He has a low mass electron theory or something ? he is still trying to prove....He is a wonderful fellow

Aligning 1 molecular layer of Graphene ...oriented a very specific way is what he tries to do ...working at the level where atoms and the gaps between can be seen
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Stefan has a mission Statement here ...which inspired for a long time... I suppose it assumes an open source venue will have persons
not coming with secrets [the two are exact opposites]
 So here we have a theme which seems to be reinterpreted ??
and many confused members who thought they understood the theme was the first guide ...and then the task [the mission statement]
secrets....or reasons for not sharing or helping or ......doesn't fit with Open source ... successful open source models are everywhere on the internet...
And to my knowledge they don't work on secrets...or half measures, Passion drives them and passionate people .
and somehow in this thread the most passionate here are seen ... ??
what to do...??




 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1533 on: July 23, 2019, 02:28:12 PM »

Not a very scientific reply I am afraid. 
So explain to me how according to the inverse square laws the mr16 is lit at all - when all the intervening coils are also illuminated.
Unless of course Rick's theory that "each coil makes a magnetic copy of the original (at resonance) and retransmits the magnetic field" is plausible. 
Methinks some EEs should get a gaussmeter

Hi a.king. I do not see loads connected to every coil in that screen shot that was posted.
I do see lots of intervening coils between where lights are connected, exactly as I said.
As I have already pointed out to you, if coils are operating at or near resonance they will have a stronger
magnetic field around them, but they are reactive components. They are not consuming real power, but
they can pass energy on to surrounding coils, as I have mentioned. In AC circuits, coils and capacitors are not consumers of power
(except due to relatively small resistive and small equivalent losses). The bulbs however are consuming power, and the total energy
coming from the input supply/driver should be divided amongst each bulb, which appears to be consistent with what
we see in the screen shot.

I wish you good luck with it, but it is just not looking promising from what I see.
The setup appears to be acting within normal expectations. If you or someone else can demonstrate
otherwise in a reasonable way, then let's have a look.  ;)

All the best...

P.S. If you have any doubts about what has been stated, then I would suggest you connect up a similar
arrangement and try it for yourself, rather than trying to get other people to do it for you. Then you can determine
for yourself how it is really performing. Make sure you either do proper measurements or self-loop it
so you don't lead yourself further down the garden path based on more wild guessing and misunderstanding. :)


Offline Raycathode

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1534 on: July 23, 2019, 03:44:56 PM »
Mr Void an interesting observation and thanks for you technical knowhow in this particular field you have shared.


regards Raymondo

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1535 on: July 23, 2019, 04:25:46 PM »
So is _this_ OU? I'm still trying to figure out of what RF's OU consists. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYDszv5t2Bw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhBgAAJUPsw

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1536 on: July 23, 2019, 06:12:12 PM »
YOU MEAN YOU HAD THAT OVER UNITY DEAL UNDER YOUR BED FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.. COME ON
TK PLEASE SHOW US THE CIRCUIT DIAGRAM..4 DEGREES SOUTH OF THE EQUATOR
RIGHT SMACK IN THE INDIAN OCEAN..
 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline NickZ

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1537 on: July 23, 2019, 07:19:04 PM »
  It is also important to consider, if the results and any additional gain are worth the effort, or  not.   
   I would love to see something useful and worthwhile, self running itself non stop. No batteries and no needed SG.   

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1538 on: July 23, 2019, 07:24:13 PM »
 the Screaming fishermen from Seychelles Wrote ""  YOU MEAN YOU HAD THAT OVER UNITY DEAL UNDER YOUR BED FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.. COME ON
TK PLEASE SHOW US THE CIRCUIT DIAGRAM..4 DEGREES SOUTH OF THE EQUATOR
RIGHT SMACK IN THE INDIAN OCEAN..
 end quote
 ...from the same Vid ...Tinsel Quote The link to the place where the basic circuit is given is given in the first of my Wireless Demo vids.end quote
« Last Edit: July 23, 2019, 10:21:44 PM by ramset »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1539 on: July 23, 2019, 07:24:15 PM »
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Vortex1:  But proof has been offered.  You stubbornly refuse to believe it as a possibility.  Consider the distance of the mr16s from the transmitter and remember the inverse square law.  You immediately have a closed mind approach to the evidence offered. Rick has repeatedly said you cannot prove anything over the internet. All you can do is exchange ideas. That is what this forum is for.  Anyway Rick has put his device forward for the 1 watt challenge in either one of his posts or videos (  i can't remember which).  That is what should be debated. Furthermore those members who are in the US can go to one of his meetings and verify matters for yourselves.  Now THAT come nearer to verification. Also members can be courteous. Courtesy gets you much further than insults. Fortunately Rick can give as much as he gets thrown at him.

Dear Aking21

Wrong, fail. You keep saying "according to rick's theory" but rick doesn't have a theory. He doesn't even have a viable hypothesis that can be peer reviewed. He has only conjecture, not demonstrated and unproven thus far. In science a paper of the proposed hypothesis must undergo peer review before replication or consensus and verification can claim it to lead to a viable and acceptable  theory.

You keep referring to rick as an inventor. What has he actually invented? I can find not a single patent application or patent assigned to rick, if I am wrong, post it here for review. Can he present an original circuit that he himself has  designed?

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Rick has repeatedly said you cannot prove anything over the internet.

  Unfortunately you and RF have demonstrated by your uninformed rhetoric that you have never actually worked as a profession in a modern electronic manufacturing facility as I and others here have. Between partzman and myself, we have probably a combined 100 years experience in such things. I don't know much about Gyula, but would guess from his practical electronics knowledge and communication skills that he has also spent considerable time in the industry.

In the old days before the internet, everything was usually done under one roof., circuit design concept, prototyping, verification, revisions, beta testing, bill of materials and assembly instructions etc.

Now, with the internet, various tasks are farmed out and work files are communicated via the internet between various groups, either in house or across the ocean.

A build document for e.g. a big screen TV can be created and prototyped by engineers at various locations, by passing files over the internet, then the final build information is sent to China or elsewhere and a Version1.01  implementation returns to be again verified revised as needed and then released for final production.

To make the statement that you cannot prove anything over the internet is complete naivete, and in doing this, you both expose not only your lack of experience in how things are done today, but make complete fools out of yourselves regarding the idea of "verification via internet"

So  RF where is your build document?, and test and verification procedures for your OU product which is being so earnestly promoted by your friend AKing21? Videos full of blah blah blah are not build, test and verify information and documentation.

So if the information has been presented to the forum for the "One Watt Challenge", where might I find it?

For "Vaporware", well  maybe?

As an aside, take a lesson from Brad and Graham on your videos, as Brad and Graham produce short, coherent, to the point, exactly descriptive of what they are doing and what they expect from a device. Partzman and Vasik also do this in their documentation of devices they present.

The image created on this thread is of a couple of minnows feverishly trying to do tricks for a half dozen dolphins who are now completely bored with their amateurish antics and are swimming away, no applause.

Regards

Stefan: Is this what you would call being a Naysayer (with your capital N)? A precise  explanation of how things are actually done in the real world and a call for documentation? A refutation of uninformed rhetoric? Or is this a rebuttal of certain statements, since I have no circuit, hypothesis or theory to evaluate?
 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1540 on: July 23, 2019, 07:45:36 PM »
I read this thread, but could not find scheme of Mr. Rick overunity circuit.
I also watched few of his videos but there he does not explain anything.

Can somebody point me or help me find that information of his OU device?

Thanks!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1541 on: July 23, 2019, 09:09:23 PM »
All I'd like to say is I'm so sorry to see all those comments and responses. Thank you for W.Barbat articles , though I don't agree Hubbard used radium, because it was too expensive in his times.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1542 on: July 23, 2019, 10:15:06 PM »
Thank you for W.Barbat articles , though I don't agree Hubbard used radium, because it was too expensive in his times.

Hi Forest.
From:
Seattle Post Intelligencer (February 26, 1928)
"In 1919 Hubbard represented the apparatus as being capable of extracting electrical energy directly from the air, but he admitted yesterday that this had been merely a subterfuge to protect his patent rights, and that, as a matter of fact, it had been a device for extracting electrical energy from radium, by means of a series of transformers which stepped up the rays. "

http://www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1543 on: July 23, 2019, 10:25:14 PM »
Hubbard used  2.8Ghz that's faster than the electron rise time. a bit different to RF's device. If I can say that without upsetting anyone.

change the ecology around rivers. This is the power principle hidden by "authority" since 1919 that has made the cost of electricity what it is now, from expensive maintenance-hungry sources.

We hope we can set up a separate research on this principle when we finish the "Integratron".



Notes

According to G.D.Mutch, the dimensions in the table of Table 1 are taken from Hubbards actual 9-coil design:

Table 1

Hubbard Design     Outer     Inner     Total      Hubbards Frequencies
 No. Coils               8           1            9            5.340 Hz = 2.8 Ghz/ (2^19)
 Diameter mm         30         49                        10.681 Hz =€ 2.8 Ghz/ (2^18)
 Height mm             146       146                       21.362 Hz = 2.8 Ghz/ (2^17)

"Hubbard used a multiply ratio of 5.75 formulated from his knowledge of the Golden Section. Example 49/30 = 1.6333. Hubbard stated that his nine(9) coil design above stepped up the output power compared to the input power by a ratio of 3:1... Hubbard stated he could use copper wire of different diameter/gauges to complete one totally wound coil.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2019, 02:20:01 AM by DavidWolff »

Offline Jimboot

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1544 on: July 24, 2019, 12:53:31 AM »
I have put now a few more members on moderation as they have been attacking Rick.
This way I can better see, who posts what and if these are slander or defamation postings with notechnical analysis, I will not let it get through and will be deleted...

Regards, Stefan. ( Admin)


It's pretty disturbing to see some of the most respected members here moderated Stefan. I have been attacked many times and educated in the process here. As have many others, we misread or mismeasured and rely on forum like this to have the claims checked. Questioning someone who is making $ off selling devices while claiming OU without clearly demonstrating it is a community service. The ou.com brand is a promise that there will be rigorous debate. I'm afraid you are damaging it  by moderating some of the best minds you have at your service. 

 

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