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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 198899 times)

Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1425 on: July 21, 2019, 02:12:13 AM »
There were two different demonstrations. The meeting had 15 3W bulbs with over 70 small coils. There were 10 big coils with bulbs, one ferrite coil with bulb, and 4 smaller coils with big bulbs (one under the table). I showed all of these at 0.75W input. In the video one of them had the wires touching but then I fixed that so it came back on.
The point is about the actual light produced with a light meter and/or what the power measurement on the bulb is. These are things to be done in the real world.
And yet you think you have somehow, from a picture and video, "reliably estimate output power on bulbs".

You deflect more importantly from the fact that it is a war. You guys are at war, and have been from the first. It is a constant psychological war where you continually twist the facts and pretend to be interested in OU. You deflect with mockery. You just repeat senseless things over and over while you accuse me of doing the very things you are doing. You hope that people will just read your words and pass over what I have actually said. But now you have been shown who you are.

Remember, everything you say is in your context of supposing that you can prove something over this forum. So it is Void of truth. Your point would mean something real if it referred to something done in real life. Not one of us is in each other's shops to see what the others are doing. So all these words are only saying what I have been the only person to insist upon. There is no "proper testing methods" over the internet. You don't even really give lip service to that fact. You just keep assuming this in whatever you say. Then you mock me for driving this truth home. Now I have shown various meter readings and self-runners, in videos. But when it comes down to it, you know that can never be enough. The best it could do is encourage you to want to try and do the same. You would never bank on someone else's work, especially someone you don't know at all (even those you talk to over the internet for years).

You guys lift yourself up as some superior people who are capable of doing measurements and being able to evaluate OU. You mock me as being the lowest in everything. Yet that is the most hypocritical of all when you reason in the context of the assumption that you can prove anything with video or pictures. It is the biggest delusion of all. No one has the burden of proving anything over the internet. That is impossible. Yet somehow you and some few remaining guys keep assuming that. You keep thinking that you can disprove or prove something like this here. As I said, this is only an information sharing place. I don't see Mario attacking me with his questions. He asked, I answered. I may be right I may be wrong. That is the extent of what this is about. You internet-proof-burden-guys are highly dramatic and hypochondriacs. Your anger and vicious attacks are based upon being upset that I have destroyed your hobby of just picking at people while not doing anything real. The onus is not on me to prove anything. I can only prove in the real world. My word is no different than a picture or video I show. They are but the same thing. You can think it is relevant enough to consider or just move along to something else. But your fixation upon it is revealing. It is because you actually believe it is real, and/or you are set on doing whatever it takes to suppress these ideas. You are desperate. You engage in lies and diversions and every fallacy. The personal attacks reveal that you are convinced this is important. You wouldn't reason with me at all if you really thought what you do about me. You may engage a few times and then just ignore. But no, there is a lot more going on here. Obviously, as we have I think 115000 views on this thread and that has largely been over the last month. Why is this so important to all of you? Why all the fuss? Is this not just an information exchange? No, you are worried someone may believe this. Why is that? What is so important about someone sharing the principles of OU? What is so bad about me sharing information and answering questions people are asking? Why is so wrong about me pointing out that you can't prove or disprove OU over the internet? Well you all know the answers. And that is why there is so much rage an insult. I've exposed the games an folly. I have shared rather important truths. This is frustrating for you because you have failed in your mission here. Does that mean you won't get paid? I don't know. Anyway, if anyone takes a step back, maybe stand behind your computer screen for once and consider what you have been doing here. Look at the back of your monitor and ask yourselves these questions. What am I really expecting from the other side of that screen? Is that the real world, or is this the real world? Maybe you think you are in a matrix or something. That is how some of you are acting. As if this is the real world and out there is too uneventful to be real or important enough to find verification. It's a serious condition that you need help with. You just can't get yourself so worked up about something that is only information sharing. There is no expectations here. Well there shouldn't be. But yet you guys are expecting so much more than that. For those of you doing that who are not trolls sent here, I understand that you are frustrated with others for what you believe has been wasting your time. But you are really frustrated with yourselves for being foolish enough to believe something is proven over the internet. Thus you take it out on anyone else. You then demand that someone prove something to you for merely sharing information. But those are two different things. So your fictional body language here is telling. You are very concerned with this. Even someone I'll not name, who says they were leaving came back because he knows it's real. Why else would you get yourself so upset about it?


Anyway, put that screen down and start living in the real world. Prove things out in the real world. Meet up with others in the real world. Buy a few meters that are real and actually working Void.  ;D

Hi TK. Well, I only counted 11 LED bulbs glowing and one LED bulb that seemed to be connected
but didn't appear to be glowing, in the screen shot of Rick. There might have been one or two more I couldn't see. :)

The bottom line of course is anyone with any understanding of electronics at all will know that you
can't reliably estimate output power on bulbs (of any type) by just looking at their brightness and
taking a guess at their power consumption. :) That at least should be a given in this forum at this point. :)

Also, some cheap LED bulbs can have some inefficient circuitry/components in them for matching
their nominal operating voltage to the voltage of the LED or LEDs inside the bulb, but when you connect such
bulbs up to a high frequency driver circuit, it can bypass any voltage regulating/current limiting circuitry
and cause the LEDs to light up even more efficiently than if you power them with their nominal voltage normally.
The LEDs them self will of course be operating at their typical high efficiency regardless however. Unfortunately, I suspect
that such things will be lost on Rick however, given his various comments here already.


Rick, this is not some 'war' that a person must try to 'win' at all costs using all manner of deflection and excuses,
etc. For at last some people here it is about facts and reality. What is really true, and what is not?
Not about 'winning' or 'losing'. If something is really true, it will be able to stand up to close scrutiny and proper testing
methodology. If you or someone else can demonstrate over unity in a reasonable way showing proper testing methods,
then great, you are in the right place. There are usually people here (or there were) who will be willing to put in the effort to
try to confirm or negate by replicating the circuitry or approach and put it through proper tests. The goal being to determine, 
'how is the setup really performing'?

Reality, what a concept! :)

All the best...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1425 on: July 21, 2019, 02:12:13 AM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1426 on: July 21, 2019, 02:54:30 AM »
I think you should focus on Rick's tracing of the history of OU patents and how they can be modernized. This info is independent of whether you agree with Rick or not.  In any case those of you in the USA are free to go to one of Rick's meetings, bring your own scopes and meters and do your own tests.  Then there is no need for all these outbursts.  Just go and see him in the real world.  Nothing I have read here from the anti-Rick brigade has swayed me one bit. .  I have learnt a lot from you guys. And I have learned a lot more from Rick. I can only say thank you Rick.  You have explained a lot of mysteries. There is only one to go for me and you know what that is.  Thanks again Rick.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1427 on: July 21, 2019, 03:08:56 AM »
One of the first claims that I tested was that the introduction of more coils increased the total magnetic field in the Resonance induction coupler kit. I used a gause meter and it proved positive.
The next thing I tested was the magnetic field on the big coil just out of resonance and in resonance.  The result was a MASSIVE difference. A HUGE increase in the magnetic field at resonance.
If you have a plasma ball or plasma tube and use the gaussmeter you will see an even greater magnetic field which is exactly why Don Smith showed a plasma ball ou device.

You need a gauss meter to understand what Rick is talking about.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1427 on: July 21, 2019, 03:08:56 AM »
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Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1428 on: July 21, 2019, 04:24:21 AM »
One of the first claims that I tested was that the introduction of more coils increased the total magnetic field in the Resonance induction coupler kit. I used a gause meter and it proved positive.
The next thing I tested was the magnetic field on the big coil just out of resonance and in resonance.  The result was a MASSIVE difference. A HUGE increase in the magnetic field at resonance.
If you have a plasma ball or plasma tube and use the gaussmeter you will see an even greater magnetic field which is exactly why Don Smith showed a plasma ball ou device.

You need a gauss meter to understand what Rick is talking about.

No, a.king. Perhaps a person 'needs' a gauss meter if they prefer to be lead down the garden path. :-)
There are lots of people like that in this world who really prefer to blindly believe instead of making an effort to move
forward with actual understanding.

It is a given that a coil operating at resonance will have a stronger magnetic field. :) That is electronics 101. :)
That tells you nothing about overall circuit efficiency. Nothing whatsoever...

If someone truly wants to understand how a circuit is performing they must compare average output power to average
input power. All else is empty hand waving and folly. :) I understand fully that such distinctions will often be completely
lost on people who do not have a half decent grasp of electronics and physics, and that is why the cycle of wild unsubstantiated
claims never ends here and elsewhere. :) This will not likely ever change any time soon. Many people in this world operate primarily at
the level of belief and ignore and block that which is not compatible with what they prefer to believe. That is probably a good part why
the human race is heading towards destruction with the pedal to the metal. Most in this world are oblivious to what we are
really doing. :) The bottom line is, like Bedini, Rick has not demonstrated anything in any sort of reasonable way, that
I have seen anyway, that even suggests over unity. People can choose to ignore this if they like and believe whatever they like,
and ignore basic measurement and testing principles, etc., but they are only fooling them self in the long run.
I know these are all probably wasted words here for the most part, but I chose to type them anyway.  ;D

All the best...


Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1429 on: July 21, 2019, 04:51:06 AM »
Glad to see you moving forward with your expert example. Not sure I can afford your equipment  ;)  Maybe A.king can show you how to celebrate it with a screw driver.  8) oops that would go against your "actual understanding" of how to do "basic measurement and testing principles" over the internet. Can't have any work done in the real world because here we are only "fooling" ourselves and "believe whatever."
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really prefer to blindly believe instead of making an effort to move forward with actual understanding.

I understand fully … and believe whatever ... and ignore basic measurement and testing principles, etc., but they are only fooling them self in the long run.

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1430 on: July 21, 2019, 05:45:30 AM »
Funny. You don't even bother to read short comments before you reply to them, do you.  The image below preserves my comment and your nonsensical response. 

No, the reason you don't have all the coils connected to all the LEDs with all of them shining is not because you forgot to bring enough capacitors.  Perhaps you don't have enough capacitors all right, but not because you "forgot" to bring them.  Let's see... you remembered to bring the coils and LEDs but somehow forgot the caps?  And that's why you can't provide a convincing or even a very impressive demonstration? What will it be next time, not enough colored clipleads? Until you provide evidence otherwise, the default conclusion is that you simply can't do it, and not having enough capacitors is a convenient explanation for why not.


Cheap power supply digital panel meters, with a tenth of an amp precision, uncalibrated,  for OU data? I laugh out loud.


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1431 on: July 21, 2019, 06:19:12 AM »
You're really desperate. I ordered 100 pack and sent out 10 of them. I was referring to the meeting, not my video. If you will feel better I could do it again once I get more in. I could do a few layers.
If you bothered to actually read the dialogue, oh yeah, you came in at the last minute and then wanted all the attention without caring about the context, then you would have realized that no one was caring about the small coils and leds anyway. They were only considering the big coils and bulbs. Even Void wouldn't even have made such a foolish argument. But actually he only calculated for the big coils and forgot to consider all the smaller coils. You guys are just desperate. Go get some solar panels and do something productive with your life.

Funny. You don't even bother to read short comments before you reply to them, do you.  The image below preserves my comment and your nonsensical response. 

No, the reason you don't have all the coils connected to all the LEDs with all of them shining is not because you forgot to bring enough capacitors.  Perhaps you don't have enough capacitors all right, but not because you "forgot" to bring them.  Let's see... you remembered to bring the coils and LEDs but somehow forgot the caps?  And that's why you can't provide a convincing or even a very impressive demonstration? What will it be next time, not enough colored clipleads? Until you provide evidence otherwise, the default conclusion is that you simply can't do it, and not having enough capacitors is a convenient explanation for why not.


Cheap power supply digital panel meters, with a tenth of an amp precision, uncalibrated,  for OU data? I laugh out loud.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1432 on: July 21, 2019, 06:28:41 AM »
Hahaha!! I actually missed your last line. I have to agree with this point. I'm laughing with you, as well as at you.  ;D Wow! You actually are mocking me for Void's meters.  :o Shows you didn't even bother to read the last posts.  ::) You guys are doing a great job of taking out each other.  :-[

Funny. You don't even bother to read short comments before you reply to them, do you.  The image below preserves my comment and your nonsensical response.

Cheap power supply digital panel meters, with a tenth of an amp precision, uncalibrated,  for OU data? I laugh out loud.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1433 on: July 21, 2019, 01:11:54 PM »
You're the one relying on the PSU panel meters for your claims Rick, we've all seen you do it. Void is simply illustrating how they work and how imprecise they can be.    :o
And I don't care what you say... I care what you DEMONSTRATE, and your PHOTO to which I referred in my comment DEMONSTRATES a bunch of coils without visible loads and a few measly LEDs lit to a dim glow, with sufficient power INPUT to your system fully to account what you DEMONSTRATE. It also DEMONSTRATES that you have a lot more coils and LEDs that you want people to think you "could" have connected.

If that's your OU.... you are being laughed at, by a lot more people than just me. You are being laughed at by the real builders and experimenters on at least two forums.  I can put a bucket out in my yard and catch water from my sprinkler system. The bucket fills up, and I can even put a dozen more buckets out there and they will all fill up, and without putting any additional load on my sprinklers.  That is all you are doing with your "OU".

Demonstrate the validity of your claims. Or admit that you cannot. Think about what Chet has told you, and search deeply within your soul, and ask yourself.... "Is that right?"



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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1434 on: July 21, 2019, 01:12:58 PM »
Funny. You don't even bother to read short comments before you reply to them, do you.  The image below preserves my comment and your nonsensical response. 


  And that's why you can't provide a convincing or even a very impressive demonstration? What will it be next time, not enough colored clipleads? Until you provide evidence otherwise, the default conclusion is that you simply can't do it, and not having enough capacitors is a convenient explanation for why not.




Cheap power supply digital panel meters, with a tenth of an amp precision, uncalibrated,  for OU data? I laugh out loud.

You are only acting like someone very pathetic, with this kind of speech.
You're just trying to ridicule RF, but with that kind of attitude you look more like a bully.
And for what ?   Does that make you happy?  certally to many persons not maybe to others make them happy  .The slaughter already started a few posts ago.
But you could resist came again,  Besides, it's what usually happens all the time.
 What contribution do you hope to make with this speech?   Interesting in RF work???????????  Seems really not,  by the many videos that you post glorifying you  and ask is this OU ? OHHHHH that is very productive  to this thread ......

You're ashamed!

 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1435 on: July 21, 2019, 01:16:55 PM »
You are only acting like someone very pathetic, with this kind of speech.
You're just trying to ridicule RF, but with that kind of attitude you look more like a bully.
And for what ?   Does that make you happy?  certally to many persons not maybe to others make them happy  .The slaughter already started a few posts ago.
But you could resist came again,  Besides, it's what usually happens all the time.
 What contribution do you hope to make with this speech?   Interesting in RF work? ??? ??? ??? ?  Seems really not,  by the many videos that you post glorifying you  and ask is this OU ? OHHHHH that is very productive  to this thread ......

You're ashamed!
Another false claimant raises his head! I'm ashamed? Nope, everything I say is true and supported by evidence and replication, I have no need to be ashamed. You, on the other hand, are HILARIOUS.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1436 on: July 21, 2019, 02:01:33 PM »
Another false claimant raises his head! I'm ashamed? Nope, everything I say is true and supported by evidence and replication, I have no need to be ashamed. You, on the other hand, are HILARIOUS.
What false claims are you refering?
Where you  read my false claims ?
You are just a poor personality person, Thays choose be a Bully since i met you on this fórum.
Tem vergonha ! Have shame!

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1437 on: July 21, 2019, 02:05:48 PM »
Here I must clarify ...I wrote a post I removed at Over unity research forum ..
I will spend a minute [be back
well to be Blunt ...people are dying miserable deaths as we type here ..species are passing from existence globally at rates never before seen [do to deforestation from burning and ....? and the fix for that..?.. is claimed to be in the hands of some typing here
Tinsel has no OU to change this ? Nor do I ..

 I wrote to Rick that "onto whom soever much is given Much is required" ..he is a man of faith. me too...and many here and elsewhere ,since we are not talking about biscuit recipes ..but Lives...maybe its not your children or my children dying at this moment..is that what makes it ok to have ten year plans ??can't feel it here so all is well  we flush water down the toilets cleaner than billions have to drink ?thats OK we have no issue with that ?
TEN SECONDS is too long ..keeping secrets ...that would save lives of innocents ??you can't have big enuff plans of involve enuff people  little groups here and there..or plans with this guy and that guy..?
use the biggest Venue you can find ...and get it out there anyway you can..or play God and decide who lives and dies..[I feel Rick is doing this ..] because that is irrefutable ...children are suffering and dying ..species are going extinct
not talking about global warming and such..

in this work you better be prepared for the consequences...and I mean your responsibility to this world
peoples lives depend on this tech..fighting ...dilly dallying ...making money ..... ???
at what cost ?
read the mission statement here
I don't believe one man here would walk past a house on fire.. hearing screams from the children inside.
worst part ...its happening as we fight here...every second every breathe .
and I have read the writings of persons with clean water to flush and refrigerators filled with foodsaying "you can;t give them This.. it will ruin our world..."
some think its a game here or just for saving money to buy more stuff ?
its a responsibility [read the mission statement ...



 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1439 on: July 21, 2019, 03:00:24 PM »
Chet:  This also applies to Wesley who claims to have several ou devices.

 

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