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Offline rickfriedrich

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1335 on: July 16, 2019, 08:11:57 AM »
Nick,
How am I supposed to know your youtube channel? I don't remember your full name, nor have I tried to find people's YouTube channel by names given here. When I search for people like that I usually see many same names, so that would be a waste of time. You're kind of assuming in that. You should try to not assume people can read your mind like that. Maybe if you said, hey Rick check out my channel for such and such reason! But when you have been so rude I'm not sure why you would expect that. I watch a lot of videos and probably would have looked at a few if I understood why. I know people have mentioned videos here and there, but I really didn't have the time when I was addressing so many questions. Can't do everything man.

Nick, it's not that I won't do videos for this forum, but not for some people that are just going to mock me no matter what. I certainly will never do videos for people who rudely demand gifts. That's the biggest insult. Nor will I fall for the trap of trying to prove something with a video. That is really what you are asking for. If you had all been polite and constructive then I probably would have done MORE videos with meters on them. But you guys have serious mistakes here that I addressed. So I wanted to see this through, because I am a thorough person. I will always surprise you when you least expect it. I did that and no one picked up on it. I gave you an extremely important scope shot as a test and yet most of you condemn me for not giving you a meter shot. I gave you one but because you did not bother to care about what I did show you I just observed all this needless hype, abuse, and folly. So if you want to move forward, then move backwards and figure out when I shared that scope shot. It is not in the last video I uploaded, but it relates to another before it... You guys were so eager to accuse and even say I don't use meters that I just laughed. If you can appreciate meters then you may have learned something rather important with observing. Something that would help you learn something advanced in this research. You all think I don't use meters and don't understand anything. That's fine. You would have said Faraday was ignorant and a fool I suppose. I think he passed all of us. Anyway, I have shared things here that have been very significant. You guys passed over them in your demands and mocking. I'm not going to repeat it. The silent readers may have picked them up. But I will continue to say now, that I have given significant scope shot reading whenever you mock me for not doing so. I don't think you will even understand it if you saw it. Let's just say that when I took that shot and posted it on the internet the demonstrator said to me, 'maybe you shouldn't show that'. ….

  Rick:   Can we just dispence with personal issues and focus on this project? For once.I can see that you know nothing about me, nor the rest of us that you are still considering as trolls. Ok, no problem. I am done pleading. You won the debate, I forfit.
  I can see when I am waisting my time. I have provided my full name to you as can be found on youtube. Along with most of the other guys on this forum. But, you won't look, to see what we've done or anything about us.And considering that you won't "do videos for this forum",  I think that pretty much sums it up.No further questions. Thanks for your kind reply. I will not trouble you again, as I can see that you are just too buzy to cooperate with "guys like me".

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1335 on: July 16, 2019, 08:11:57 AM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1336 on: July 16, 2019, 09:12:19 AM »
Nick,
I don't think I answered this post, but I noticed a few things here.
I'm not sure how you can always determine that claims are not working. As someone who has worked with many replicators in the real world I see how people easily make mistakes. That is why I keep saying you can't do much with a video. It is easy to miss things. Even what you think you see is sometimes different, because of what you assume. There are several Don Smith pictures that some of you have been looking at for years and you still don't see what is staring at you because you assume you see something. But when I carefully inspected ever detail of Don's words, videos and pictures in my replicating of many of his setups, I noticed things like that that made significant differences. Prejudice prevents success. In the same way people can miss things in videos because of assumptions. Or you may not know all of the details, which is always true with a video.

It is only right to have doubts. You should always have doubts. Evidence is not proof. Only that degree of evidence is proof that demands rational conviction. Self-running in a video is not self-running in the real world. It is merely uncertain. You are all looking for video confirmation of something metered or self-running. But it is far more important to know exactly how someone is doing something. Teaching how to is what matters. That is what I do. That is why I am making the free energy cheat sheet right now. You guys can content yourself with reading the specs on fluke meters while others will be looking at the principles of free energy. I showed a very important principle yesterday with Barrett. If you pass over that then expect to remain here in diapers for another 10 years. Again, that was showing you how it is to be done. Showing you how the truth was discovered and then suppressed. Showing you it being demonstrated. I have DONE that.
Remember, YOU, are not my computer screen. If you me to show YOU something, then that has to be in the REAL world.  ::) And I DO THAT all the time.
I made a kit to help people in the real world. Some people were excited about it and mentioned it here. Apparently you guys had problems with him. Idk because I wasn't here. I didn't make the kit public. I told him not to post it or bother with these forums. I never wanted to post such information on the forums. Someone else did that. Somehow Itsu started doing something. He said he never read anything more than a few lines. He showed extreme prejudice against me but yet was supposedly trying to replicate something you all were attributing to me. I had seen enough of his videos and posts before I joined in here to realize that he was really off. I shared my concerns with Aking but he thought he could succeed. I knew he never would for several reasons revealed. His saying he never read me more than the first line added to that doubt. So his failing to discover anything significant was not surprising, but somehow it was confirmation that nothing was happening in my kit, which he really knew nothing about. You guys made many conclusions because of his misunderstandings and ignorance. This is not an insult as he showed in his videos that all this was new to him. But you all were the blind leading the blind. So I came on here and within a short time it was just attacks. I confront that and your assumptions and I get evasions and more attacks and demands for proof as if I was pushing something on you or demanding you to believe my claims. You misjudged my kit as if the soul purpose was to prove OR or that it had to be a self-looped system or it was worthless. The problem is that you don't understand what you need to know. I don't know if you know anything about OU, but it appears from your reaction and demands that you don't. You don't know what you have been shown already. So you are either playing troll games or you really don't know anything about free energy.
Now I have shown all the information publicly. You just didn't take the time to notice. Yet you feel justified to make that false statement. You could have asked me if that was so. I did say so already. The thing is I have mentioned several different systems here, which I have made public for many years. That is online and in the real world. And as a result thousands of people have replicated them. So where have you been?

Now, to switch gears here. Some years back I did write Stefan that these forums are all wrong. What needs to happen is that you start with a working system in clarity and then go from there, and not the other way around starting from a rumor or guess. I guess that is the intention of OUR but obviously they have never started yet because there is not one OU system working for them. I have already done this through youtube and now thousands of people are personally using one such system very happily. I started demonstrating it to tens of thousands of students at all the major Colleges across the USA 14 years ago before youtube. Sometimes I had crowds of up to 2000 people standing around as I spoke to them in the free speech zone where the crazy campus preachers spread their hate and propaganda. I demonstrated this system and science majors could not accept it. But they ran and got their meters and dead batteries. Sometimes I talked to these skeptics for hours. I usually debated the lead atheists who would start off mocking me because they assumed I was like the crazy preachers. But in the end every one of them shook my hand in gratitude for the dialogue because I was once one of them and I took the time to answer their questions. But it was exciting to see the science students and professors become amazed at this system that would run all that time when they calculated that it could not do that initially. But as time went on they looked more and more puzzled at it until they became antsy. Then they were like 'how can this be'? Yes the pulled a wires, but nothing was hidden and it was so simple. This was all in the beginning in 2005. I have talked to thousands of students all across the country who knew nothing about this. But also just as many in free energy circles. So who has proved OU that much? Yet that doesn't matter to you because you only want a video over the internet. I just laugh. Well I did that many times. Many videos before youtube are still online on my old websites showing the kinds of things you ask for now. That is all so old news. So I think I know what people need in this research. I think I know a thing or two about why you guys fail all these years. I have carefully calculated what needed to be said to you. But it really wasn't for you because I expected you would not listen. I wrote all this for the silent watchers who never write on these forums for good reason. But I also know that you will right things that you do not really believe, and that I have gotten through to you. I know what it means to pretend to not listen. I did that as a kid. You put on an attitude to try and hide what you know is true and don't want to admit. That is why I am not bothered by what people say.

   Rick:   To answer your question about why self running is the only way to prove anything. Because there has been many many many supposed OU devices that have been posted, here and on youtube which are not working as claimed. Therefore the doubts.
   We are not expecting you to "prove" anything, but, we are expecting you to be able to tell us what exactly needs to be done,  instead.  By SHOWING IT YOURSELF, TO US.  So that we can decide what to actually do about it. You have NOT done that.
   Other than the schematic and pictures and videos presented by itsu, none of your diagrams showing all the information has been made public. Like coil sizes, turn counts, capacitors, wires sizes, frequency values, and output readings. No wonder that we are confused as to what you are doing, and how you are doing it. If all this mystery is about dimly lighting a few leds, well, I think that you get my point. At least the guys here, understand where I'm coming from. Although, you may chose not to.
 

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1337 on: July 16, 2019, 10:05:24 AM »
Even video of self running device is not a proof. I bet you all watched Kapanadze videos.The only proof is many succesfull replications, which is what we are expecting here

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Offline Void

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1338 on: July 16, 2019, 05:49:45 PM »
Even video of self running device is not a proof. I bet you all watched Kapanadze videos.The only proof is many succesfull replications, which is what we are expecting here

Ok, one final comment. It will probably fall on a number of deaf ears.  ;D
No one with any real understanding is suggesting that self-loop testing is 'proof'.
Only that it is a way for honest people and reasonably rational people who truly want to understand how a circuit is
performing to take possible measurement errors, incorrect assumptions, and other possible factors which may be
skewing results/conclusions out of the picture.

It doesn't mean that there still couldn't be other factors skewing results of self-loop testing or that someone dishonest
still couldn't cheat. For example, if a circuit is quite low power and it is picking up radiated energy from a nearby cell tower
or whatever. (That's just a possible example. Not saying that would necessarily at all be a factor in any given test setup). 

I saw A.King state that no one being critical of Rick's claims has watched his videos, even though
I have pointed out that I have a watched quite a few of his videos over the years. Huh?

I won't go into my background, but let's just say I can usually very quickly see when someone has little to no
real understanding of electronics, and when they are talking a lot of hooey. Such people will typically go on
the defensive immediately and start insulting and attacking when anyone starts asking them legitimate questions or
points out apparent or obvious flaws in their statements and assumptions and behaviour. As a case in point, Rick has made
it clear that even though it is has been clearly explained here, that he still doesn't understand the critical importance and value
of trying to self-loop a circuit setup to see if it can be made to self-sustain. He has mixed this simple and straight-forward and
very valuable testing method all up into supposedly being some way of creating or achieving OU or something completely bizarre like that.  :o 
If a person can't understand the purpose and value of a straightforward testing method even after it has all been clearly explained to
them, what other very simple concepts and approaches are lost on them as well? Does this really need to be pointed out?

Let's get down to nitty gritty reality:
If someone really has something unusual, they should be able to demonstrate it in a clear and reasonable way.
If they truly want to understand how their circuit setup or whatever they have is really performing, they will welcome critical
feedback from others and be willing to look into and address all concerns in a reasonable manner.
They will do this because they really want to know what the actual truth is in regards to what they are experimenting
with or claiming. If after looking into and addressing all reasonable critical feedback, which actually can usually be addressed
much more quickly and simply by just trying a proper self-loop test, and the circuit is still showing something unusual then
great! You may very well be onto something! Bravo! On the other hand, if it all starts falling apart the moment you start
looking into people's concerns and start addressing them, or, as mentioned, if a person is reasonable and practical and wants
to save a lot of time and effort and actually tries a proper self-loop test and it fails, then a person who cares about reality and truth
will admit that they may very well have been making some mistakes along the way! :D

Reality Check:
Someone who cares about facts and reality will welcome reasonable critical feedback, and will make an
honest effort to address those concerns in a reasonable manner.
Someone with other motivations will immediately go on the defensive and start attacking when
critical feedback is provided and make all sorts of excuses and deflections etc., while continuing
to avoid addressing any real concerns.

If Rick really has something unusual then great, but his demonstrated behavior and inability
to understand very straightforward testing concepts is not looking at all promising in that regard.

Just keeping it real. Now back to your regularly scheduled wild claims and insults and deflections and excuses and hand waving. ;D
Look, some LED bulbs are lighting up! It has to be OU!!! No proper measurements or proper testing required.
We are much too advanced for that!!! ;D


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1339 on: July 16, 2019, 06:25:23 PM »
SERIOUSLY I THINK THE CLOSEST THING TO FREE ENERGY IS A SOLAR PANEL. I JUST GOT A QUOTE FROM ALIBABA  FOR .23 US DOLLAR PER WHAT?? BUT YOU HAVE TO BUY A 40 FEET CONTAINER WORTH..SO PLEASE CUT THE DINASOR SOOOT. JUST DISH OUT THE REAL MACKOY. THIS IS AFTER TWO BLOODY EXPENSIVE 500ML HEINEKEN AT 120 SEYCHELLES RUPEES 4 DEGREES SOUTH OF THE EQUATOR SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INDIAN OCEAN.. YOU CAN ALWATS GET WHAT YOU WANT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PRAY AND GET PISSED.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1340 on: July 16, 2019, 06:36:22 PM »
Void:  I have purchased Rick's Don Smith book. It is a very careful analysis complete with circuit diagrams - many of them re-drawn with full explanations. Also in Rick's kit the most important thing is the book that comes with it.  Why should Rick give away for free what he has worked for? Don't you get paid for what you do?   Would you work for free?
That is probably why his students don't attack him and some have come forward with confirmation. 
I have repeatedly said that you get nowhere with winding people up. Does not work.


Some people are like the student who refuses to turn up for classes then blames the teacher when they do not understand things.


Constructive questions are almost always answered. 
Most people would not make comments like they do here - in the real word.
Why does the internet bring out the worst in people?




We should all be polite to each other.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1341 on: July 16, 2019, 06:46:46 PM »
In my opinion Rick's two battery & motor setup tutorial video back in 2015 said it all for me!  ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvQOAY0DwgI

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1342 on: July 16, 2019, 06:49:04 PM »
SORRY TO SAY I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ALL THESE WHATEVER SINCE WINDOW 98..AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WINDOW 98 WORK 8 OUT OF 10,,BUUUUT I HAVE NOT YET SEEN ANY THING SHORT OF A MIRACLE AS YET.. BUT I STILL BUY A SCRATCHY IN THE HOPE OF WINNING..WHAT I NEED IS HOPE...

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1343 on: July 16, 2019, 06:50:29 PM »
Hi a.king. I have not the slightest interest in trying to wind people up.
I stand by every word I wrote in my comment above, as it comes from many
years of experience and observation. :)
« Last Edit: July 16, 2019, 10:30:34 PM by Void »

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« Reply #1344 on: July 17, 2019, 03:45:36 AM »
Void, I have exposed many of your false statements, contradictions and assumptions. It is easy to say such things but what constructive things have you done? You make a lot of claims yourself for someone who is Void of a name. You make such statements that mean nothing. You "won't go into" your "background" so why say that? Is that to give the impression that you are important and that we should just believe you? You are just a smooth talker and spew out countless fallacies each post. A real troll if there ever was one. You are the one talking hooey.

Did I ever say that I don't value self-looping? Tell me where? This is just another one of your lies. I have self-looped my systems from 2005. This is good to do and important. But you deliberately ignore absolutely everything I say. Everything is twisted because you just pervert everything.

Again, self-sustaining is one thing, but by insisting upon that you try and prevent people from experiencing an easier thing as a starting point. The first thing to do is experience free energy or OU. That can be in all the different forms of energy. Anything more than unity is OU or above unity. All of you who ignore that are now involved in an intentional conspiracy to divert people from experiencing free energy. You want them to feel that unless they can loop it around then they don't have anything at all. So you are saying you have to have 200%, and that anything less is useless. Why would an output that is 1.5 times that of normal not be amazing and free energy or OU? This is self-evident. You just ignore that and spew your repeated lies over and over hoping that you can continue to detract people from the truth.

I won't go into my background, but let's just say I can usually very quickly see when someone has little to no real understanding of electronics, and when they are talking a lot of hooey. Such people will typically go on the defensive immediately and start insulting and attacking when anyone starts asking them legitimate questions or points out apparent or obvious flaws in their statements and assumptions and behaviour. As a case in point, Rick has made it clear that even though it is has been clearly explained here, that he still doesn't understand the critical importance and value of trying to self-loop a circuit setup to see if it can be made to self-sustain. He has mixed this simple and straight-forward and very valuable testing method all up into supposedly being some way of creating or achieving OU or something completely bizarre like that.  :o 

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« Reply #1345 on: July 17, 2019, 11:18:09 AM »
Why would an output that is 1.5 times that of normal not be amazing and free energy or OU? This is self-evident. You just ignore that and spew your repeated lies over and over hoping that you can continue to detract people from the truth.
So, if I managed to improve the COP of a device by 1.5 times from its 'normal running efficiency, then I would have OU by your reckoning. So, now I understand how you define OU and why you cannot understand why very few of us on this thread understand you. Onwards and upwards Rick.  8)

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« Reply #1346 on: July 17, 2019, 02:59:13 PM »
So, if I managed to improve the COP of a device by 1.5 times from its 'normal running efficiency, then I would have OU by your reckoning. So, now I understand how you define OU and why you cannot understand why very few of us on this thread understand you. Onwards and upwards Rick.  8)
Hoppy you want to self loop look at the JB video he shows you how to do that!
your pm is stopping you from getting the latest info!

PS I just know this Newman motor / window motor is going to be a dead duck in the water !  ;D :-X :-[

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« Reply #1347 on: July 17, 2019, 04:55:02 PM »
Hoppy you want to self loop look at the JB video he shows you how to do that!
your pm is stopping you from getting the latest info!

PS I just know this Newman motor / window motor is going to be a dead duck in the water !  ;D :-X :-[
Nah, don't need to cos Rick said so. Got all JB's stuff.  8) ;D

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« Reply #1348 on: July 17, 2019, 06:35:16 PM »
H,
This is not what I am saying. Efficiency of a motor is not the same as unity. You have your circuit loop with the motor in the circle requiring so much energy from the input. It is outputting so much work over time as a result. The work resulting is compared with the input given and that is where you have the understanding of COP. Ratings of some of these motors in sometimes given as 96% around so that really isn't much to worry about. If we had 80% efficient motors then that would be more of an issue in these considerations. But practically speaking, if it takes a certain amount of energy over time to do a certain amount of actual work, then if I have 1.5 times the work done (or specifically 1.5 times the total work done--which would include the losses on the primary side of the system--so heat production as included). 1.5 is just an arbitrary figure to make it more obvious than 1.01 would be.

I have made this very clear for a long time. The problem is that you guys haven't wanted to listen but just keep assuming the worst or whatever you want. A student of mine has followed all of this and made a document of the exchange and that can be seen. Again, the debate specifically was about this very thing. You guys were saying that only a self-running system was OU, which would require actually more than 2 times to accomplish. I said all along, who made up that definition when any output over unity is above or over unity. 1.01 would be as the OUR pdf mentions. Or any beneficial work done over and above what is thought to be possible or expect from a given circuit with it's particular parts. It is really that simple. But you guys have actually caused the confusion by insisting upon arbitrary expectations. While it is fine to want something self-looping, and I'm all for that, been there, done and do that, it is not necessary to experience or prove free energy or OU to do that. It would be OU to do that, but OU is not limited to that. This is simply a basic logical error to say that just because self-running would be OU, that therefore OU is self-looping. There is no OU = self-running as has been continuously argued over and over, with much mocking of me for denying that. If you draw a big circle on a paper and call it OU. Now draw a smaller circle in it and list that as self-running. So now self-running is a small part of the OU circle, but they are not the same circles. Understand now the mistake you guys have been making. Now you get it why I have been pressing this over and over??? Not only is this a completely wrong definition of OU but it is diverting people from appreciating OU experience in a non-looped way as I have argued so much. You have effectively mocked people for claiming OU when they have had less than 2 times over unity. But as I have said, in the real world 1.5 times is huge. So I see this as a very crafty trick to silence all that good experience of many people but insisting upon more than what is necessary.

This was exactly what I experienced about 14 years ago in these exact debates with skeptics that I eventually won on the forums. But when I settled the points with real facts and demonstrations then they changed their expectations from demanding 2 times to 3 times. That was rather humorous. I did give them that as well however. Once that was done there really wasn't very much of a debate anymore about whether OU was possible. Once in a while someone new would come in and have to realize what had already be established. But from that point on it has always been about perfecting different methods for using this technology. I really didn't have the time anymore to do these forums. And this is really the first time in all those years that I have come back to redo what I did then with the previous generation that is not aware of all that.

So, if I managed to improve the COP of a device by 1.5 times from its 'normal running efficiency, then I would have OU by your reckoning. So, now I understand how you define OU and why you cannot understand why very few of us on this thread understand you. Onwards and upwards Rick.  8)

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« Reply #1349 on: July 17, 2019, 06:42:34 PM »
Here is your window motor in the water:
Remote Control Renaissance Free Energy Watercraft https://youtu.be/Nq362E4j4_A
The system has been demonstrated at many of my meetings. Can be run with a bright light or a second battery that can be rotated as needed with the rotating circuit. So I have done this with watercraft for toys, or 26' cabin cruiser, and also with 2 other boats 11' and 14'. Like I said, either self-running with two battery banks (and now the batteries get better over the years and are not consumed), or as in this demonstration while powering another kind of useful load.

Hoppy you want to self loop look at the JB video he shows you how to do that!
your pm is stopping you from getting the latest info!

PS I just know this Newman motor / window motor is going to be a dead duck in the water !  ;D :-X :-[

 

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