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Author Topic: Confirmation of OU devices and claims  (Read 221596 times)

Offline baudirenergie

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1095 on: July 10, 2019, 05:14:56 AM »
Very nice a.king21 you also have realised it.
We can see it, but they do not want (or can not realize) it.
Seems to be that not every one should have it.
Thanks a lot to you and Rick.
Rick:  Itsu's video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dLj5MrAHY


3 minutes in -  inserting a relay coil causes output to go UP and input to go DOWN.






WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS!!!


It's like the forum has  Cognitive dissonance

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1095 on: July 10, 2019, 05:14:56 AM »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1096 on: July 10, 2019, 06:14:17 AM »
Yeah I saw that. So multiply that by 500 coils that are better positioned.

A.King, the problem for some may be cognitive dissonance, but for others it is no doubt intentional dissonance. Especially today. Wow the attacks were pouring in. It was so exciting  ;D I even got a call from the moderator apologizing for this. That was very nice. It doesn't matter to me as it only shows everyone how desperate people are to suppress these truths. I won this debate after a few years back in 2006-7. It is old news, but the new generation wasn't around then. They just don't understand that the debate moved on from these basic OU discussions to the demand for 3 times the output or more. I tried to go there a bit here but these guys are not ready for that. They would rather have a tiny LED power itself instead of multiplying out the output many times. I remember those early days when we built the various self-runner magnet motors and others that would spin around for weeks running little LEDs. These things are necessary for people to see that the college physics is all wrong as Lewin and Don Smith said. But after a while these self-runners are not enough. They are just a toy that sits on the shelf doing nothing. I have always been a backyard mechanic so I moved on to rider lawnmowers, boats and cars. Apparently we learned today that I never did such things. It was all just a scifi movie. And like that video that AG posted the other week, the fan kits can't even charge a cap to 1v over 15 minutes  ::) No, there aren't thousands of those around the world either. What's his name in Europe doesn't make his living off of selling them all day long based upon my work. Nope, put your hands over your ears. Send out many posts here to drown out the good information. That can't be true. So it isn't true. Oh, Oh, let's just call it "RF Too Good to be True." Got to love that. We already have Aaron's forum having hacked Don Smith's name with Bruce Perrault the main disinfo guy. So why not just call this RFTGTBT. Yep Radio Frequency...  ;)

Anyway guys, I love you all no matter what you say. But I care more for those who are only watching, and that is why I am doing this and the upcoming presentation. And while I call people out in their lies, you must understand that I still care for everyone here and will give them credit for good questions and observations. I'm not at all convinced that they believe their own words. These are said to create reactions. I was once just as they are so this is not new to me. People are frustrated with themselves. They want someone else to solve their own problems. Naturally they take it out on anyone claiming to have the answers they desperately want. But others just pretend to disbelieve and really are just looking for more details to perfect their own products. Don't kid yourself A.King, most of these guys are just looking to make money by making people on these forums work for them. Itsu is working for them for free. They want me to work for them. But I gave them everything they would ever need already. They pretend that they don't listen but they really are. The goal is also to knock out any competition. This is what Energenic forum did as well. So after they pull the info they attack the source. This is well known and I have watched it since the beginning of the internet.
 
Rick:  Itsu's video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dLj5MrAHY
3 minutes in -  inserting a relay coil causes output to go UP and input to go DOWN.
WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS!!!
It's like the forum has  Cognitive dissonance

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1097 on: July 10, 2019, 09:21:19 AM »
Just added the efficiency factor.

--> Reply #983

correction
« Last Edit: July 10, 2019, 07:18:54 PM by seaad »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1097 on: July 10, 2019, 09:21:19 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1098 on: July 10, 2019, 10:25:53 AM »

That was not my setup. I just replicated your setup and itis not cold. I was using the DSE.
Anyhow before we get into my setup can you measure the voltage across the bulb please?

A.king21,



The setup shown in my video is what i understood from your post #1021:
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg536322/#msg536322
If its wrong please make it more clear for me.


Concerning the voltage across the bulb, i showed you already in this post:
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg536323/#msg536323

Itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1099 on: July 10, 2019, 10:53:34 AM »
Rick:  Itsu's video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dLj5MrAHY


3 minutes in -  inserting a relay coil causes output to go UP and input to go DOWN.






WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS!!!


It's like the forum has  Cognitive dissonance

I am not ignoring this, its on my todo list to further check this out.

I think it has something to do with the fact that bringing 2 (or 3) resonating coil close together their resonance
points splits into 2 points and thus 1 such point getting better in resonance with the big coil frequency thus
picking up a stronger signal like i have shown earlier. here:
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg535901/#msg535901


But first thing on my list is to have 10 satellite coils and do a loopback test with them.
As Void mentioned, thats the only way to show there is enough power on the output to drive the input.

itsu

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1099 on: July 10, 2019, 10:53:34 AM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1100 on: July 10, 2019, 12:11:15 PM »
Quote from: a.king21 on Today at 04:48:33 AM
Rick:  Itsu's video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dLj5MrAHY
3 minutes in -  inserting a relay coil causes output to go UP and input to go DOWN.
WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS!!!
It's like the forum has  Cognitive dissonance

_  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _  _

I'm not ignoring that.

When Itsu inserts the relay coil;  That corresponds to that the primary coil (feels) gets a harder coupling factor.
Or can be compared with;    That more secondaries comes in contacts with the primary coil.
With  the same (preserved) coupling factor to ALL newly added sec.coils the input current goes down step by step.

From my sim. test with the same CF 0.o25:

From  1  to  8 coils  the  input  current  goes  down  from    165 --> 35 mA
But at the SAME time the output Power ALSO goes down from 0.o67 -->  0.o22 Watt !!!

And the  the efficiency factor increases from 11% --> 18%

Regards Arne

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1101 on: July 10, 2019, 02:11:47 PM »
A.king21,





Concerning the voltage across the bulb, i showed you already in this post:
https://overunity.com/17491/confirmation-of-ou-devices-and-claims/msg536323/#msg536323

Itsu
So I take it that the voltage was 1.712 volts ac R M S.


Strange as the bulb seems brighter.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1101 on: July 10, 2019, 02:11:47 PM »
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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1102 on: July 10, 2019, 03:00:58 PM »
Rick:  Itsu's video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9dLj5MrAHY

3 minutes in -  inserting a relay coil causes output to go UP and input to go DOWN.

WHY ARE WE IGNORING THIS!!!

It's like the forum has  Cognitive dissonance

Oh it's not being ignored!  It is an observed effect which warrants a more complete investigation and analysis.

I would like to point out something about Rick's coupled coil arrangement that he has not disclosed so perhaps he is not aware of it and that is, with the transmitter and receiver coils placed horizontally on a flat surface with all axis vertical, the mutual coupling M is negative between the coils.  Thus the K factor is negative.  This can be easily demonstrated on the bench with two coils while maintaining the proper dot relationship.

If however, the receiver coil is now raised off the surface and moved closer to a position so as to be above the transmitter coil, the mutual coupling will move from the negative value through zero, then to a positive value.

Why is this important you ask?  Well, in Itsu's video, the two vertically stacked receiver coils have a positive mutual coupling to each other while combined in reference to the transmitter coil, they have a negative mutual coupling.

Now the so called 'relay' coil is inserted in a horizontal plane affecting the resultant power out and power in through observation.  So the question is, what is the resultant coupling between the coils in this arrangement and why does it increase the impedance of the series resonant transmitter circuit and increase the output?

Regards,
Pm

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1103 on: July 10, 2019, 03:19:05 PM »
   itsu, Gyula:   Why is there a difference when comparing a multi secondary coils pulsing system like what you've shown, to a radio station.   Does the radio station loose it's transmitting power depending on how many people's radios are tuning in to it?
   Why would adding more receiving coils, not work the same? But, it doesn't, normally, adding more coils bring down the total working voltage, and output at the load (led). WHY?  I ask.
   itsu, did placing coils inside of the main coil, help, or not? 
   What the hell,  I'll be nice... once the dust clears...and the truth comes out. Would be good to know, one way or the other.


It's even more disbelieving when you consider some satellite transmitters output as low as 2 kw from a geostationary orbit yet millions can tune in.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1104 on: July 10, 2019, 03:20:38 PM »
So I take it that the voltage was 1.712 volts ac R M S.


Strange as the bulb seems brighter.

"My Fluke 8060A true RMS meter reads 2.2V (AC mode)"

So 2.2V rms (in ac mode) according to my DMM and 1.712V rms according to my scope who i trust more in this case.


So what is your cooling effect setup exactly?

Itsu


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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1105 on: July 10, 2019, 04:00:34 PM »
gut nach mittag gentlemen
have you ever noticed if the wire a coils length out stretched is it's wave length , spacing the winds
allows you to tune the coil to it's wave length if you wound it with 1mm wire then to tune it (for the sake of argument), you wouldn't think Tesla's idea of using the same weight in wire if you were tuning it to a 1/2 or 1/4 might be important do you do this as well as in it's wave length.
so ist das Leben.


AG
« Last Edit: July 10, 2019, 08:18:07 PM by AlienGrey »

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1106 on: July 10, 2019, 04:10:58 PM »
Nick, this is a very important question you ask. I'm glad you are finally beginning to realize this. Now we have some progress towards the beginning steps here.  ;D Once you guys can see, by experience, that you can have many coils with loads placed all around the transmitter, and which only lower the input power, then the cat is out of the bag. At that point you can begin to start on a Don Smith system. Then you can go back and read what I have shared and you will see that I was just trying to help you guys. Once you can understand that the magnetic flux can have multiple passes through many external coils then you will be more ready to see how you can have the flux multiply in L2 with quarter wave length, etc. The multi coil system is but an easy way to see how you can multiply the output without any serious fine tuning. Now if you can't find any benefit in that then you may as well throw in the towel because the real deal with the L1 L2 will be more difficult to learn.

   
   Rich: Just so you know. I have never doubted you, or your shown devices.
   However, none of this is new for me, nor am I afraid of using higher power inputs, and looping the output back to the input.
I have been doing that for years.   I don't remember seeing any recent schematics of your solid state device that are similar to what you would like to see us build.And similar to what a.21 and itsu are trying to replicate,  to see for themselves if what you are trying tell us can be replicated.
   Maybe you can upload a recent diagram or schematic of your device. As otherwise, we can only guess at what you are doing and how your are doing it. Which can be part of the problem with building your type of replication.   I have not followed this thread from the start, just after I saw itsu going at it. So, I don't know all the facts concerning this or your type of build. Therefore, can you provide a schematic, if you have done so already, just repost it, please.
   If interested, here is a link to one of my Dr. Stiffler "diode loop" tests. https://youtu.be/BZsvtlA_Rgc
   My YouTube channel is under my name, Nick Zec. There you can see some devices that I've worked on over the years.
   And yes, my on going goal is to build a self running solid state device, that is useful, for me. I'm not interested commercializing it in any way. Nor am I any kind of troll, nor someone against free energy, just for the record.

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1107 on: July 10, 2019, 04:43:19 PM »
Hi Nick,

The many receiver antennas for a radio station are usually located far from the broadcast TX antenna wavelength wise.
One full wavelength for a long wave (LW) station at say 200 kHz is 1500 m, for a medium wave (MW) station at say 1 MHz
is 300 meter. So most receivers receive the so called far field of the TX antenna, many wavelength away from it and the electromagnetic
coupling between the many RX and a single TX antenna can only be negligibly small.  This involves little overall power loss in
the TX antenna. One more thing: the received power in a ferrite antenna inside an AM portable radio for instance is but a few microwatts, the mixer and amplifier stages boost up this tiny level thousands time to drive a some hundred mW loudspeaker,
using the battery power in the radio. All in all, the overall reflected load to the TX antenna from the many receivers is small.

However, when the RX antennas are close to the TX antenna, in the so called near field of the latter, within say a wavelength
(this is mostly an unlikely situation for broadcast stations) the mutual coupling can greatly increase hence the TX power is
influenced more and more. The power output of the radio station may get reduced. Notice though there can be control circuits
to increase the output as a compensation to maintain nominal output, at the price of increased input power to the transmitter.
There were people tapping nearby broadcast station by erecting big sized antennas and used the received energy for feeding incandescent lamps back in the 20s and 30s, they were punished for stealing energy if they got caught. One reason broadcast antennas are not readily built very close to densely populated areas (other reason would be the very high near field radiation
harmful to humans, animals etc).
In the present setup discussed here the receiver coils are very close to the TX coil, within a small fraction of a wavelength.
This inherently involves mutual coupling not only between the TX and RX coils but between the RX coils too. So basically adding
more and more receiver coils would demand more TX power if the TX (antenna) circuit were a parallel LC circuit. But the TX circuit here is a series LC circuit driven from a function generator or from a gate driver IC. 
Consider the impedance behaviour of parallel LC and series LC circuits in the function of frequency.
Will continue later.  If you have questions so far, please ask.
Gyula

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Re: Confirmation of OU devices and claims
« Reply #1108 on: July 10, 2019, 04:45:34 PM »
Videos and pictures cannot properly show lighting as the camera adjusts accordingly. Also the nature of the pulsing phasing has to be considered when there is no smoothing capacitor.

So I take it that the voltage was 1.712 volts ac R M S.


Strange as the bulb seems brighter.

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« Reply #1109 on: July 10, 2019, 04:53:58 PM »
Yes all these things are to be considered as part of the experiments in the book. It is not my object to spoon feed students. That way they can discover other things that maybe no one has figured out yet. Depending on how you position the coils you can place hundreds of them around the primary (preferably at the 1.25MHz frequency) without drawing more from the input and while actually reducing it. And it is true that you can also do that wrong and decrease the loads while doing that. "Wrong" is relative to what you want to do. It took me 5 minutes to position all my coils around for that video. There was no attempt to tune for ideal positions. Would take a few hours to do that. But at the meeting I also showed how you can position the coils all around, which includes above and below the open sides of the primary.

Oh it's not being ignored!  It is an observed effect which warrants a more complete investigation and analysis.

I would like to point out something about Rick's coupled coil arrangement that he has not disclosed so perhaps he is not aware of it and that is, with the transmitter and receiver coils placed horizontally on a flat surface with all axis vertical, the mutual coupling M is negative between the coils.  Thus the K factor is negative.  This can be easily demonstrated on the bench with two coils while maintaining the proper dot relationship.

If however, the receiver coil is now raised off the surface and moved closer to a position so as to be above the transmitter coil, the mutual coupling will move from the negative value through zero, then to a positive value.

Why is this important you ask?  Well, in Itsu's video, the two vertically stacked receiver coils have a positive mutual coupling to each other while combined in reference to the transmitter coil, they have a negative mutual coupling.

Now the so called 'relay' coil is inserted in a horizontal plane affecting the resultant power out and power in through observation.  So the question is, what is the resultant coupling between the coils in this arrangement and why does it increase the impedance of the series resonant transmitter circuit and increase the output?

Regards,
Pm

 

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